Viper RC -
#5011
+1 on the tech support! Ive had nothing, but gliches with the VTX10 since I bought it. And the only place I can get a hold of anyone is on here. Plus there is NO local dealers that can help. This is major reasons I left Castle! Tekin's service has been amazing!!!!!!!!! IDK what to do
#5012
Tech Apprentice
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 67
From: Grand Rapids
I ran my B44.1 this past weekend with a VTX10R and 6.5T motor. It ran great for three or four minutes then it started cutting out. I thought it was the battery but when I put it on the charger it showed 7.8 volts. The ESC and motor were still cool to ther touch. It wasn't thermalling. I am at a loss on what this could be. Could it be the senso wire? Any help would be great.
#5013
Spider- check your PM, give me the info, we'll talk. Something is being missed there. That is a strange result of the calibration.
jrj- are you seeing the lights blink on the switch after it 'shuts off'. If your motor cut off is at 200*, it's too low especially for a 4wd car. Remember that temperature reading is being done by the speed control off of the rotor on the motor. Which can 50 to 70 degrees hotter than the outside temp you measure with a temp gun. When I ran my 7.5 in a B44.1 I set the motor cut off at 240, esc at 220. Freq, 9600, power 85, punch 65. I think gearing was 84-20 or 21. And I was holding on for dear life.
84 GT - the VTX system is only sensored. Sorry about the calls, guess the home office was busy yesterday -- some new stuff getting ready to ship

jrj- are you seeing the lights blink on the switch after it 'shuts off'. If your motor cut off is at 200*, it's too low especially for a 4wd car. Remember that temperature reading is being done by the speed control off of the rotor on the motor. Which can 50 to 70 degrees hotter than the outside temp you measure with a temp gun. When I ran my 7.5 in a B44.1 I set the motor cut off at 240, esc at 220. Freq, 9600, power 85, punch 65. I think gearing was 84-20 or 21. And I was holding on for dear life.
84 GT - the VTX system is only sensored. Sorry about the calls, guess the home office was busy yesterday -- some new stuff getting ready to ship


#5015
Tech Apprentice
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 52
Car: Asso SC10FT
Motor: Viper 8.5
ESC: Hobbywing 120a V3
I'm having a temp problem. Have run my new Viper 8.5 in my car and temps were quite high. Geared 19/87.
The speed was ok and I could go full throttle on couple of places om the track.
Do you think that the temp problem is caused by wrong gearing or ESC settings? The car is almost new, wrenching all the time so bearings etc is in good condition.
ESC settings (important ones):
Punch 40%
Throttle: Linear
Drag brake: 0
Timing: 0
Turbo timing: 10 degrees
Turbo activated: Full throttle
Turbo throttle delay: Instant
As you can see I'm not pushing the motor with any ESC settings. Timing 0 except when going full throttle and then timing is only 10 degrees.
Please help me out.
*ESC was 65 degrees Celcius after 10min, motor was hot.
Motor: Viper 8.5
ESC: Hobbywing 120a V3
I'm having a temp problem. Have run my new Viper 8.5 in my car and temps were quite high. Geared 19/87.
The speed was ok and I could go full throttle on couple of places om the track.
Do you think that the temp problem is caused by wrong gearing or ESC settings? The car is almost new, wrenching all the time so bearings etc is in good condition.
ESC settings (important ones):
Punch 40%
Throttle: Linear
Drag brake: 0
Timing: 0
Turbo timing: 10 degrees
Turbo activated: Full throttle
Turbo throttle delay: Instant
As you can see I'm not pushing the motor with any ESC settings. Timing 0 except when going full throttle and then timing is only 10 degrees.
Please help me out.
*ESC was 65 degrees Celcius after 10min, motor was hot.
Last edited by aland; 07-12-2012 at 10:48 AM. Reason: Temp data
#5017
aland- how hits was the motor? Last time I ran 8.5 in my truck I ran a similar gear with no boost (obviously Viper speed control). I ran Hobbywing years ago, didn't run boost often but I rember it generatedore heat with motor and esc.
jsinclair- the 10/10R series are designed to run on 2s (3s with higher turn motors - geared correctly).
jsinclair- the 10/10R series are designed to run on 2s (3s with higher turn motors - geared correctly).
#5018
Well I ordered a VST13.5t today...so I guess I'm the new guy in the family (or will be next week when it arrives).
Anyone have a suggested gearing start point for a Losi XXX-SCT? And I suppose with or without boost.
Anyone have a suggested gearing start point for a Losi XXX-SCT? And I suppose with or without boost.
#5019
Tech Apprentice
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 52
Well I didn't have a temp gun this time but I could keep my finger on the motor for about 2 seconds, no more. I got the temp from the ESC by reading the logger.
The only timing I'm using is the "turbo timing" and that's only activated while keeping full throttle. And only 10 degrees.
Any other ideas?
#5021
See young Grasshopper - look and learn. 


aland- try running without the boost and see how it runs. I really can't speak for settings on the speed control I don't know how the software has changed in the three years since I used it. I guess it depends on how big your track is, most of drivers don't use boost with 8.5 motors.



aland- try running without the boost and see how it runs. I really can't speak for settings on the speed control I don't know how the software has changed in the three years since I used it. I guess it depends on how big your track is, most of drivers don't use boost with 8.5 motors.
#5022
I took the timing off my 8.5 in my blitz and i run about 140 to 150 range. Geared 23/88. Great speeds and well fast enough to clear the big table top at my local track. WIth timing i was 165 range never over 175 though.
#5024
Car: Asso SC10FT
Motor: Viper 8.5
ESC: Hobbywing 120a V3
I'm having a temp problem. Have run my new Viper 8.5 in my car and temps were quite high. Geared 19/87.
The speed was ok and I could go full throttle on couple of places om the track.
Do you think that the temp problem is caused by wrong gearing or ESC settings? The car is almost new, wrenching all the time so bearings etc is in good condition.
ESC settings (important ones):
Punch 40%
Throttle: Linear
Drag brake: 0
Timing: 0
Turbo timing: 10 degrees
Turbo activated: Full throttle
Turbo throttle delay: Instant
As you can see I'm not pushing the motor with any ESC settings. Timing 0 except when going full throttle and then timing is only 10 degrees.
Please help me out.
*ESC was 65 degrees Celcius after 10min, motor was hot.
Motor: Viper 8.5
ESC: Hobbywing 120a V3
I'm having a temp problem. Have run my new Viper 8.5 in my car and temps were quite high. Geared 19/87.
The speed was ok and I could go full throttle on couple of places om the track.
Do you think that the temp problem is caused by wrong gearing or ESC settings? The car is almost new, wrenching all the time so bearings etc is in good condition.
ESC settings (important ones):
Punch 40%
Throttle: Linear
Drag brake: 0
Timing: 0
Turbo timing: 10 degrees
Turbo activated: Full throttle
Turbo throttle delay: Instant
As you can see I'm not pushing the motor with any ESC settings. Timing 0 except when going full throttle and then timing is only 10 degrees.
Please help me out.
*ESC was 65 degrees Celcius after 10min, motor was hot.
Long runs are the biggest killler for motors. I try to limit myself to practice only as long as the longest race I will run (usually that is 6 or 8 minutes)
#5025
Bascially, you can add 30-40 degrees to the temp you measure on the outside of a motor and you will have the temp of the internals. If you are running 175 on the outside, it is 205-220 internally. You can start having problems when temps get not to much hotter than that.
Constant heat cycles running the motors over 160-170 degrees (externally) can weaken the magnet on the rotor and even cause the magnet to come apart after enough heat cycles.
Unfortunately, all of that copper wire and stator laminations make very good insulation, so putting a fan on a motor doesn't do much to lower the internal temps.



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