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Old 11-28-2018 | 08:34 AM
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My Paloma has an idle issue that I can't seem to figure out. It'll start no matter what somewhat high with the wheels spinning... then about 45-60 seconds in they'll stop spinning and I let it warm up to operating temp. After I'm at operating temp (at least 220F), I can give it any kind of throttle and let it go back to idle, which it'll then idle high for 15-20 seconds, then go down to it's normal idle. It's somewhat common from the searches I've done, but I can't lean the LSN any further. I can find the perfect point for my LSN before it starts lean bogging on bottom end... Should I be leaning out the top end and then going from there?

This engine holds a tune so dang well, it starts within a second every. single. time. Stays running, too, even with a bad tune.

41001/9886 combo, #6 plug, 8mm carb insert. Fresh air filter. 25/9 VP fuel.
Still having this problem... any suggestions? End points are correct. Carb fully closed and fully open. Tune does not change on brake.
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Old 11-28-2018 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by savage24x
Still having this problem... any suggestions? End points are correct. Carb fully closed and fully open. Tune does not change on brake.
My internet guess would be your hsn is a bit lean. When you close your throttle it revs high as if it’s lean, but then settles down once it’s been running on the LSN.
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Old 11-28-2018 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Micah78

My internet guess would be your hsn is a bit lean. When you close your throttle it revs high as if it’s lean, but then settles down once it’s been running on the LSN.
I agree. Sounds like lean HSN for sure, likely also with an overly rich LSN to compensate.
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Old 11-28-2018 | 01:01 PM
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I agree. Sounds like lean HSN for sure, likely also with an overly rich LSN to compensate.
Exactly! I’ve been there many times.
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Old 11-28-2018 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by savage24x
Still having this problem... any suggestions? End points are correct. Carb fully closed and fully open. Tune does not change on brake.
CLEAN OUT HSN .... then reset HSN to 4 turns from closed ..... adjust LSN and idle gap while HSN is still a bit rich ..... then lean HSN until desired runout


airleak?

sometimes you just need to start at a base setting

5 turns from full closed on LSN 4 turns from closed on HSN

be sure to pull linkage open before running LSN in
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Old 12-07-2018 | 05:38 PM
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Have any of you guy,s ran the mephisto yet just curious to hear any feedback.
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Old 12-07-2018 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugman
Have any of you guy,s ran the mephisto yet just curious to hear any feedback.
jack im thinking about getting one of these also.
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Old 12-08-2018 | 05:08 AM
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OH YEAH !!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-08-2018 | 09:23 AM
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According to the Novarossi website the Mephisto is a Mantra with a different crank and carb, so unless they did some changes to the crank besides DLC it should run the same.
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Old 12-09-2018 | 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by NitroVein
According to the Novarossi website the Mephisto is a Mantra with a different crank and carb, so unless they did some changes to the crank besides DLC it should run the same.
So you mean that the Mephisto is a little evolution of the Mantra?
Is Mephisto better in terms of fuel consumption versus Mantra?
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Old 12-09-2018 | 08:50 AM
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So you mean that the Mephisto is a little evolution of the Mantra?
Is Mephisto better in terms of fuel consumption versus Mantra?
I have no idea, I haven't used the Mephisto, just pointing out the possible difference if there is any.
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Old 12-11-2018 | 05:47 PM
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they made the crank a tick bigger per novas site. different glow plugs. different carb. 3 needle like the rolling. and better cooling head and they say different exhaust to use.. I can give more on this when it shows up Friday and I can put the 2 motors side by side.. jeremy
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Old 12-12-2018 | 10:33 AM
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I was looking at the mantra for awhile but got mephisto when they came out, Drake has it now doing the break-in. The BTT square stroke was my favorite buggy motor ever, so I'm hoping this is similar
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Old 12-12-2018 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by J.Whiting
they made the crank a tick bigger per novas site. different glow plugs. different carb. 3 needle like the rolling. and better cooling head and they say different exhaust to use.. I can give more on this when it shows up Friday and I can put the 2 motors side by side.. jeremy
They both say they have a bigger crank bore, and though glow plug isn't exactly engine specification it is the same on the exploded view.
The only thing that make any real difference is if they have changed the crank in timing or bore etc, all the rest is the same between them. The carb could have slight difference in how it feels and tunes, but not in power.
But measure the timing and get back to us.
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Old 12-16-2018 | 09:24 AM
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I have an elite 5 paired with a 41021, and a 2096 pipe. I have about a gallon and a half on it. It is a great motor but I am looking to get a little more power. Would changing pipes help in yhis, or should I attempt to remove a shim?
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