Serpent 811E Buggy Thread
#4606
Dave,
I think it is the cut of the teeth, but not sure how you would tell by just looking at it. They V2 diffs are a different case I think and might have something identifiable from that aspect, I just do not know.
Last night's shake down was interesting. Track is not ebuggy friendly (too small and tight), but Stealth RT seems to be correct. Even with 60wt oil in the front, I am way under dampened. Rear actually felt decent, but the front was just too soft, leading to traction rolling and the front wanting to dive way too much. With V1 springs, I may change to Max's setup instead of back to the CSI pistons just to see how they feel.
Otherwise handling wasn't too bad. Turn in was predictable, though not quite as much as I would like, especially off power. Back end could be brought around fairly easily, especially on power. I will see what it is like on an open outdoor track, but I was able to negotiate the tight 10th scale track ok. The thicker oil in the center felt good to me but will see once I have tire options and the outdoors.
I think it is the cut of the teeth, but not sure how you would tell by just looking at it. They V2 diffs are a different case I think and might have something identifiable from that aspect, I just do not know.
Last night's shake down was interesting. Track is not ebuggy friendly (too small and tight), but Stealth RT seems to be correct. Even with 60wt oil in the front, I am way under dampened. Rear actually felt decent, but the front was just too soft, leading to traction rolling and the front wanting to dive way too much. With V1 springs, I may change to Max's setup instead of back to the CSI pistons just to see how they feel.
Otherwise handling wasn't too bad. Turn in was predictable, though not quite as much as I would like, especially off power. Back end could be brought around fairly easily, especially on power. I will see what it is like on an open outdoor track, but I was able to negotiate the tight 10th scale track ok. The thicker oil in the center felt good to me but will see once I have tire options and the outdoors.
#4607
Very cool, I have V1 gears anyway which I expected.
#4608
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Dave,
I think it is the cut of the teeth, but not sure how you would tell by just looking at it. They V2 diffs are a different case I think and might have something identifiable from that aspect, I just do not know.
Last night's shake down was interesting. Track is not ebuggy friendly (too small and tight), but Stealth RT seems to be correct. Even with 60wt oil in the front, I am way under dampened. Rear actually felt decent, but the front was just too soft, leading to traction rolling and the front wanting to dive way too much. With V1 springs, I may change to Max's setup instead of back to the CSI pistons just to see how they feel.
Otherwise handling wasn't too bad. Turn in was predictable, though not quite as much as I would like, especially off power. Back end could be brought around fairly easily, especially on power. I will see what it is like on an open outdoor track, but I was able to negotiate the tight 10th scale track ok. The thicker oil in the center felt good to me but will see once I have tire options and the outdoors.
I think it is the cut of the teeth, but not sure how you would tell by just looking at it. They V2 diffs are a different case I think and might have something identifiable from that aspect, I just do not know.
Last night's shake down was interesting. Track is not ebuggy friendly (too small and tight), but Stealth RT seems to be correct. Even with 60wt oil in the front, I am way under dampened. Rear actually felt decent, but the front was just too soft, leading to traction rolling and the front wanting to dive way too much. With V1 springs, I may change to Max's setup instead of back to the CSI pistons just to see how they feel.
Otherwise handling wasn't too bad. Turn in was predictable, though not quite as much as I would like, especially off power. Back end could be brought around fairly easily, especially on power. I will see what it is like on an open outdoor track, but I was able to negotiate the tight 10th scale track ok. The thicker oil in the center felt good to me but will see once I have tire options and the outdoors.
#4609
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 22,128
From: Fort Mill, SC / Charlotte
sorry new to the buggy, but why does the rear shock show 2 pistons? Is this described somewhere in this thread or is there a piston that has 6 holes with 2 diff size holes?
Last edited by bigwavedave33; 02-27-2014 at 08:07 AM.
#4610
6 hole piston with 2 different sizes. Probably started with the 6 hole 1.3 standard piston and opened up 3 holes to 1.4. The CSI pistons work along a similar idea, with larger and smaller holes in combination. CSI's are also tapered and probably have other fancy things I don't know about too.
#4612
I appreciate the help, and will let you know how it goes.
Thanks!
#4613
Any advice for things to look at to get better rotation in 180 turns? Seem to do OK off-power, but push wide when on-power or trying to kick out the rear end on hairpins.
Running a 1.0 buggy, stock setup with hard servo saver spring, checked EPAs to make sure I'm getting full lock on steering. Track is indoor clay, usually pretty damp but can get dusty and then it's easier to kick out the rear. Track layout just changed to a more technical setup, so I need to make some improvement on rotation now especially. Everything else feels dialed.
Running a 1.0 buggy, stock setup with hard servo saver spring, checked EPAs to make sure I'm getting full lock on steering. Track is indoor clay, usually pretty damp but can get dusty and then it's easier to kick out the rear. Track layout just changed to a more technical setup, so I need to make some improvement on rotation now especially. Everything else feels dialed.
Check out the "note" section on the setup sheet.
#4615
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Dave. you are gonna really like this buggy. With this car i was fast enough to beat Jason on Hals track. Its fast, durable, and the changes are really noticeable. You wont need many spares, just springs, oils, rollbars, tires. The only things I would really buy for it are the aluminum wing mounts supports, ackerman bars for the steering, steering servo horn to be safe. I never really broke anything. Always use a good allen driver though, the plastic is really tough. Oh yea and on all the inner camber links run longer screws and lock nuts. No matter what I did i could not get the screws to stay tight until I changed to the longer screw/nut combo. Serpent FTW !
#4616
You cant really go narrower than 0 in the front. depending on what wheels you use the back of the arm will rub the ribs. -2 is std for the rear. Most everyone runs the stock roll center blocks and 6 inserts all around in the rear, that should help if you have more anti squat than that.
#4617
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 22,128
From: Fort Mill, SC / Charlotte
Ran Max's Motorama setup today for the most part, didn't get to set ride height before the first heat, and it was great... until the motor cratered with 30 seconds left. Don't know what quite happened yet to it. When I went through the car there were a couple questionable bearings so something must have let go. I didn't have replacements 
Turned in well and was VERY predictable and easy to drive. With the 1.0 diffs I ran 7/5/3. Would have only gotten better thru the day as we had an early shower before racing started.
Can't wait for next week if I can make it out to race.

Turned in well and was VERY predictable and easy to drive. With the 1.0 diffs I ran 7/5/3. Would have only gotten better thru the day as we had an early shower before racing started.
Can't wait for next week if I can make it out to race.
#4618
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 22,128
From: Fort Mill, SC / Charlotte
Dave. you are gonna really like this buggy. With this car i was fast enough to beat Jason on Hals track. Its fast, durable, and the changes are really noticeable. You wont need many spares, just springs, oils, rollbars, tires. The only things I would really buy for it are the aluminum wing mounts supports, ackerman bars for the steering, steering servo horn to be safe. I never really broke anything. Always use a good allen driver though, the plastic is really tough. Oh yea and on all the inner camber links run longer screws and lock nuts. No matter what I did i could not get the screws to stay tight until I changed to the longer screw/nut combo. Serpent FTW !
You know me I don't have anything without TONS of spares. The only thing I really don't have is bearings for it. Have all hudy tools. The arms HAVE TO BE REAMED. While rebuilding the car I realized the rear hinge pins were stuck in the arms. I got them out reamed them and BUTTAH. Hope you are doing well. I think JB gets back soon!
#4619
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Any problem with running the wing from the original 811 on a 2.0? Ordered the original wing by accident instead of the low profile 2.0 wing.
is it probably not a good idea since I think the wing mount was redesigned for the low profile wing on the 2.0's ?
is it probably not a good idea since I think the wing mount was redesigned for the low profile wing on the 2.0's ?
#4620
They are supposed to be tight in the arms because the hinge pin rotates in the plastic inserts. The hinge pins are rounded on the ends so no matter what toe or anti squat they are never bound up. Other cars the pin rotates in the arm which there is more of a chance of them getting bound up and squeaky rotating in the arm. You can even have a bent hinge pin with our car and as long as its not crazy bent the arm will still move free.



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