5LikesSerpent 811E Buggy Thread
03-03-2014 | 08:22 AM
#4622
It really feels like a big 10th scale car with a ton of power. It is quiet, unlike the other electric hedge trimmers on the market. Last year I was running it in practice on the smallest indoor track you could imagine and it rotated around the corners better than any other 1/8 scale. Yet when the same setup was used outdoors the car wasn’t twitchy at all. It has the lowest CG of any car on the market because the batteries are as low as possible. The car is strong and so is the drivetrain so minimal parts will be necessary to have on hand. It is also only one of 2 or 3 purpose built 1/8 electric cars and not a conversion of the nitro counterpart.
03-03-2014 | 08:31 AM
#4623
Tech Master
iTrader: (16)
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,109
From: Japan
You will probably be happy with either car as they are both good cars. But, Hands down the serpent is made of better quality material.
I prefer the handling of the Serpent car over the Losi personally. I LOVE the way the Serpent pivots around tight corners. I also prefer the way Serpent car jumps and lands.
While the serpent will require less maintenance (Outdrives, Diffs, axles etc.) In my opinion it can be a little bit of a pain to work on.
An other big plus is the fact that you can get on here and talk to the Team Manager and get help. Serpent will always take care of you if you have any issues which is great.
I hope that helps a little. They are both good cars and I don't think you can go wrong either way.
I prefer the handling of the Serpent car over the Losi personally. I LOVE the way the Serpent pivots around tight corners. I also prefer the way Serpent car jumps and lands.
While the serpent will require less maintenance (Outdrives, Diffs, axles etc.) In my opinion it can be a little bit of a pain to work on.
An other big plus is the fact that you can get on here and talk to the Team Manager and get help. Serpent will always take care of you if you have any issues which is great.
I hope that helps a little. They are both good cars and I don't think you can go wrong either way.
03-03-2014 | 04:41 PM
#4625
Tech Master
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,629
Yeah the serpent. Crew are awerson guys to have chat with I try both plus mugen and tekno and I am coming back to serpent again as I feel it is a much better car for me to drive and its a tank and I am not scared of trying things with the serpent other brand I was in case I break some think when I did one time I broke some think
03-03-2014 | 08:07 PM
#4626
You cant really go narrower than 0 in the front. depending on what wheels you use the back of the arm will rub the ribs. -2 is std for the rear. Most everyone runs the stock roll center blocks and 6 inserts all around in the rear, that should help if you have more anti squat than that.
I am finding that as I try to get the buggy dialed in I'm wanting to tinker with too many things at once. Trying to stick now to only 1 thing at a time, and run at few packs before doing anything else.
03-04-2014 | 01:04 AM
#4628
OK I will try the -2mm's in the rear, I have the 1.0 and it came with 0's all around. As for rear inserts I'm running 5's in the RR RR and 6's in the RR FR.
I am finding that as I try to get the buggy dialed in I'm wanting to tinker with too many things at once. Trying to stick now to only 1 thing at a time, and run at few packs before doing anything else.
I am finding that as I try to get the buggy dialed in I'm wanting to tinker with too many things at once. Trying to stick now to only 1 thing at a time, and run at few packs before doing anything else.
03-04-2014 | 03:20 AM
#4629
OK I will try the -2mm's in the rear, I have the 1.0 and it came with 0's all around. As for rear inserts I'm running 5's in the RR RR and 6's in the RR FR.
I am finding that as I try to get the buggy dialed in I'm wanting to tinker with too many things at once. Trying to stick now to only 1 thing at a time, and run at few packs before doing anything else.
I am finding that as I try to get the buggy dialed in I'm wanting to tinker with too many things at once. Trying to stick now to only 1 thing at a time, and run at few packs before doing anything else.
03-04-2014 | 06:15 AM
#4630
So got the 811 out this weekend. Track was loamy and damp in the morning, turning to dusty hard pack later in the day. Traction was low to medium.
Went in with a handful of new things to try. I did dump the Fioroni pistons and went to Max's setup with 1.4 and 1.3/1.4 stock pistons, same oil, same springs. Biggest difference is running 7/10/5 in the diffs. Car was drivable, but back end was not planted, especially on hard acceleration out of the corners, much more so where it was off-camber or rutted. Started making changes. Went from 30wt to 25wt in the rear shocks, several spring changes front and rear, raised the rear roll center, upper shock mounts, etc. By the end, the back end was a little better, but still nowhere near what the 2 MP9's I drove were. It jumped extremely well, and was able to rotate the car under breaking to dive in under other cars in the corners. The 2 issues were accelerating onto the 2 straights and the back end washing out (one off camber, the other rutted), and one bump section that was a small triple leading into some random bumps. If I landed between the triple and the bumps, and ran light throttle, I was ok. If the car landed in the bumps, or I tried to accelerate or brake in them, the car went wonky.
I did not have any spare diffs with me, but I am assuming that the bumps section is due more to the 10k center diff, though the 7k front maybe as well. Some suggested lowering the rear also to 3k from 5k also. All V1 diffs.
Car overall was fun though, qualified 6th in the B, finished 9th due to a bad tire change choice (switched between rounds, and was good before they blew off the track, then side bite was too high and traction rolled) and some unlucky marshalling. I am enjoying making the changes and feeling what they do. I am enjoying less the gallon of shock oil necessary for an oil change, but such is 8th scale.
I did also get to try the light blue kyosho springs that are so touted. At least with the oil/piston package I had, they were not good for me, both in the bumps and over the smaller jumps. Back to the V1 Serpent springs I have and was much more consistent.
Went in with a handful of new things to try. I did dump the Fioroni pistons and went to Max's setup with 1.4 and 1.3/1.4 stock pistons, same oil, same springs. Biggest difference is running 7/10/5 in the diffs. Car was drivable, but back end was not planted, especially on hard acceleration out of the corners, much more so where it was off-camber or rutted. Started making changes. Went from 30wt to 25wt in the rear shocks, several spring changes front and rear, raised the rear roll center, upper shock mounts, etc. By the end, the back end was a little better, but still nowhere near what the 2 MP9's I drove were. It jumped extremely well, and was able to rotate the car under breaking to dive in under other cars in the corners. The 2 issues were accelerating onto the 2 straights and the back end washing out (one off camber, the other rutted), and one bump section that was a small triple leading into some random bumps. If I landed between the triple and the bumps, and ran light throttle, I was ok. If the car landed in the bumps, or I tried to accelerate or brake in them, the car went wonky.
I did not have any spare diffs with me, but I am assuming that the bumps section is due more to the 10k center diff, though the 7k front maybe as well. Some suggested lowering the rear also to 3k from 5k also. All V1 diffs.
Car overall was fun though, qualified 6th in the B, finished 9th due to a bad tire change choice (switched between rounds, and was good before they blew off the track, then side bite was too high and traction rolled) and some unlucky marshalling. I am enjoying making the changes and feeling what they do. I am enjoying less the gallon of shock oil necessary for an oil change, but such is 8th scale.
I did also get to try the light blue kyosho springs that are so touted. At least with the oil/piston package I had, they were not good for me, both in the bumps and over the smaller jumps. Back to the V1 Serpent springs I have and was much more consistent.
03-05-2014 | 01:11 PM
#4631
Tech Adept
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 129
From: Lithuania
So got the 811 out this weekend. Track was loamy and damp in the morning, turning to dusty hard pack later in the day. Traction was low to medium.
Went in with a handful of new things to try. I did dump the Fioroni pistons and went to Max's setup with 1.4 and 1.3/1.4 stock pistons, same oil, same springs. Biggest difference is running 7/10/5 in the diffs. Car was drivable, but back end was not planted, especially on hard acceleration out of the corners, much more so where it was off-camber or rutted. Started making changes. Went from 30wt to 25wt in the rear shocks, several spring changes front and rear, raised the rear roll center, upper shock mounts, etc. By the end, the back end was a little better, but still nowhere near what the 2 MP9's I drove were. It jumped extremely well, and was able to rotate the car under breaking to dive in under other cars in the corners. The 2 issues were accelerating onto the 2 straights and the back end washing out (one off camber, the other rutted), and one bump section that was a small triple leading into some random bumps. If I landed between the triple and the bumps, and ran light throttle, I was ok. If the car landed in the bumps, or I tried to accelerate or brake in them, the car went wonky.
I did not have any spare diffs with me, but I am assuming that the bumps section is due more to the 10k center diff, though the 7k front maybe as well. Some suggested lowering the rear also to 3k from 5k also. All V1 diffs.
Car overall was fun though, qualified 6th in the B, finished 9th due to a bad tire change choice (switched between rounds, and was good before they blew off the track, then side bite was too high and traction rolled) and some unlucky marshalling. I am enjoying making the changes and feeling what they do. I am enjoying less the gallon of shock oil necessary for an oil change, but such is 8th scale.
I did also get to try the light blue kyosho springs that are so touted. At least with the oil/piston package I had, they were not good for me, both in the bumps and over the smaller jumps. Back to the V1 Serpent springs I have and was much more consistent.
Went in with a handful of new things to try. I did dump the Fioroni pistons and went to Max's setup with 1.4 and 1.3/1.4 stock pistons, same oil, same springs. Biggest difference is running 7/10/5 in the diffs. Car was drivable, but back end was not planted, especially on hard acceleration out of the corners, much more so where it was off-camber or rutted. Started making changes. Went from 30wt to 25wt in the rear shocks, several spring changes front and rear, raised the rear roll center, upper shock mounts, etc. By the end, the back end was a little better, but still nowhere near what the 2 MP9's I drove were. It jumped extremely well, and was able to rotate the car under breaking to dive in under other cars in the corners. The 2 issues were accelerating onto the 2 straights and the back end washing out (one off camber, the other rutted), and one bump section that was a small triple leading into some random bumps. If I landed between the triple and the bumps, and ran light throttle, I was ok. If the car landed in the bumps, or I tried to accelerate or brake in them, the car went wonky.
I did not have any spare diffs with me, but I am assuming that the bumps section is due more to the 10k center diff, though the 7k front maybe as well. Some suggested lowering the rear also to 3k from 5k also. All V1 diffs.
Car overall was fun though, qualified 6th in the B, finished 9th due to a bad tire change choice (switched between rounds, and was good before they blew off the track, then side bite was too high and traction rolled) and some unlucky marshalling. I am enjoying making the changes and feeling what they do. I am enjoying less the gallon of shock oil necessary for an oil change, but such is 8th scale.
I did also get to try the light blue kyosho springs that are so touted. At least with the oil/piston package I had, they were not good for me, both in the bumps and over the smaller jumps. Back to the V1 Serpent springs I have and was much more consistent.
When I fill less oil diffs started to work better.
03-05-2014 | 10:26 PM
#4634
nice!! you guys are gonna love this car! ive had mine now for a few weeks and its really starting to come in for me. driveability is insane, super smooth, and very durable on those rough club race nights where everyone has 2400kv motors for a indoor track lol. nice choice guys!