Serpent 710
#1773
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Posts: 315
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Originally posted by Data
it might not be a good idea, just imagine all those extra interference got picked up by the two long wires.
it might not be a good idea, just imagine all those extra interference got picked up by the two long wires.
I tried using this exact same crystal extension one year. It lasted 1/2 of the first raceday before I ripped it out. I was getting waaaayyy too much interference. Removed it, glitching disappeared!
Glenn Cauley
Ottawa, Canada
#1774
Originally posted by InitialD
No, not that I don't like to have one... I was thinking of running the 705 ! I still enjoy driving it. With all the racing in the forums that I do, the 705 hardly gets any track time !
I was planning to get one in due time but not this fast...
Besides, like Mark says, I would not know if the wifey approves !
No, not that I don't like to have one... I was thinking of running the 705 ! I still enjoy driving it. With all the racing in the forums that I do, the 705 hardly gets any track time !
I was planning to get one in due time but not this fast...Besides, like Mark says, I would not know if the wifey approves !
#1775
Originally posted by GoldFinger
Tip:
- 808340 Ball-cup for pivot ball 8.5mm
808344 Adjusting nut M10, using CA glue this part together.
You will get tight joint and still manage free suspension.
Tip:
- 808340 Ball-cup for pivot ball 8.5mm
808344 Adjusting nut M10, using CA glue this part together.
You will get tight joint and still manage free suspension.
Just take care during installing. It is easy to push on the nylon part during the first couple of turns of the alu nut. That unseats the nylon insert. After the alu nut threads in straight push on the pivot ball to pust the insert back in place then little by little screw in the alu nut till the play of the pivot ball is gone but it moves easily.
Sometimes 1/16th of a turn can make the difference between play and binding....
In general, build the entire car (leave shocks off) and then check the freedom of movement. Like Goldfinger said, intalling all parts can sometimes make a huge difference. The fit of the car is very good (I think
) but we did not want to create free movement with excessive play. As some parts need others to construct the complete suspension it will sometimes seem to bind until you install all parts.I have got my own car now
and during building I thought I found a bad fit. It was in the brake cam. After I took a knife and did some reworking I found I had overlooked the shim in the manual......
#1776
Originally posted by Julius
The fit of these parts is tight enough without glue.
Just take care during installing. It is easy to push on the nylon part during the first couple of turns of the alu nut. That unseats the nylon insert. After the alu nut threads in straight push on the pivot ball to pust the insert back in place then little by little screw in the alu nut till the play of the pivot ball is gone but it moves easily.
Sometimes 1/16th of a turn can make the difference between play and binding....
In general, build the entire car (leave shocks off) and then check the freedom of movement. Like Goldfinger said, intalling all parts can sometimes make a huge difference. The fit of the car is very good (I think
) but we did not want to create free movement with excessive play. As some parts need others to construct the complete suspension it will sometimes seem to bind until you install all parts.
The fit of these parts is tight enough without glue.
Just take care during installing. It is easy to push on the nylon part during the first couple of turns of the alu nut. That unseats the nylon insert. After the alu nut threads in straight push on the pivot ball to pust the insert back in place then little by little screw in the alu nut till the play of the pivot ball is gone but it moves easily.
Sometimes 1/16th of a turn can make the difference between play and binding....
In general, build the entire car (leave shocks off) and then check the freedom of movement. Like Goldfinger said, intalling all parts can sometimes make a huge difference. The fit of the car is very good (I think
) but we did not want to create free movement with excessive play. As some parts need others to construct the complete suspension it will sometimes seem to bind until you install all parts.Btw, does anyone finding himself in need of THREE or FOUR hands for assembling the servo saver????
#1777
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Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 783
Originally posted by Rene C.
I think to build in 5 hours a serpent race car is a record J.
About your nice Tips :
I was driving with the belt tension like in the manual for more than 20 hour without any problems. But it’s not bad thing to tighten it a little.
The second tip is a nice pne.
About the thinks you don’t like :
It’s not true that you must take off a stiffener to get the engine out or in the car. In begin it’s easy to push the brake-disk to the right side until the flywheel has passed. After a few tries it’s no problem any more.
About the hinge pin’s: You can do it like you did, but than you can not get it out that easy when you want to change the roll centre. So one good and one bad thing.
You don’t must wait until Friday take a day of.
Rene
I think to build in 5 hours a serpent race car is a record J.
About your nice Tips :
I was driving with the belt tension like in the manual for more than 20 hour without any problems. But it’s not bad thing to tighten it a little.
The second tip is a nice pne.
About the thinks you don’t like :
It’s not true that you must take off a stiffener to get the engine out or in the car. In begin it’s easy to push the brake-disk to the right side until the flywheel has passed. After a few tries it’s no problem any more.
About the hinge pin’s: You can do it like you did, but than you can not get it out that easy when you want to change the roll centre. So one good and one bad thing.
You don’t must wait until Friday take a day of.
Rene
No filling job is defenetely cut xtra time needed to make a perfect fit.- I mentioned 5 hour is without electronic and shocks. last night I spend another 4-5 hour to build it. No problem with receiver if building it just like in manual (I use FTB PCM, R113iP). The tricky oart is on throttle linkage. Due to bigger diameter of roll over bar, just make sure linkage doesnt touch bar nor fuel tanks.
- Hinge pin, you right. There is always a trade off. But it would nice if you modified your tooling(moulding) to make some sort of bumper.
- Engine Mounting. What I mean is to install the engine with engine mount installed. I usually trim each engine with individual engine mount and centax too.
I should be able to hit the road by this afternoon but
I have too make slight modification on my hudy setup (new hole on the rear wheel block).Hi, Julius for overlooking the shim..
you are not alone.
It is easy to push on the nylon part during the first couple of turns of the alu nut. That unseats the nylon insert
Push back the ball joint to hold insert in place is good trick also.
#1778
Tech Fanatic
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 783
Originally posted by pineapplet
Btw, does anyone finding himself in need of THREE or FOUR hands for assembling the servo saver????
Btw, does anyone finding himself in need of THREE or FOUR hands for assembling the servo saver????
Stand up while you push down the servo saver and make sure your chasis is completely flat on the table.
Yes.. it is not an easy thing to do. My thumbs still "in red" by now.
Maybe if you have a small vice or small C-Clamps it would be helpfull.
#1779
Julius / Rene,
Looking at the setup book that comes with the 710 kit, the recommended setup on the last page details that the front and rear tires should be 62 mm.
So, if I use a new set of tires (approx 66 mm), then my set up ride height should be at 4 mm but my front downstops should be +2 (instead of 0) and rear downstop should be +9 (instead of +7). Is that correct? Why is there an upstop?
What about changes to the stock front and rear roll center positions when using the larger 66 mm tires? DRS arm position? Thanks.
Looking at the setup book that comes with the 710 kit, the recommended setup on the last page details that the front and rear tires should be 62 mm.
So, if I use a new set of tires (approx 66 mm), then my set up ride height should be at 4 mm but my front downstops should be +2 (instead of 0) and rear downstop should be +9 (instead of +7). Is that correct? Why is there an upstop?
What about changes to the stock front and rear roll center positions when using the larger 66 mm tires? DRS arm position? Thanks.
#1780
Originally posted by InitialD
Julius / Rene,
Looking at the setup book that comes with the 710 kit, the recommended setup on the last page details that the front and rear tires should be 62 mm.
So, if I use a new set of tires (approx 66 mm), then my set up ride height should be at 4 mm but my front downstops should be +2 (instead of 0) and rear downstop should be +9 (instead of +7). Is that correct? Why is there an upstop?
What about changes to the stock front and rear roll center positions when using the larger 66 mm tires? DRS arm position? Thanks.
Julius / Rene,
Looking at the setup book that comes with the 710 kit, the recommended setup on the last page details that the front and rear tires should be 62 mm.
So, if I use a new set of tires (approx 66 mm), then my set up ride height should be at 4 mm but my front downstops should be +2 (instead of 0) and rear downstop should be +9 (instead of +7). Is that correct? Why is there an upstop?
What about changes to the stock front and rear roll center positions when using the larger 66 mm tires? DRS arm position? Thanks.
We tested the car with 64-55mm tires. We used a setup for 61mm and just ran the tires to the rim
The change in handling was surprisingly small.
#1781
Originally posted by Julius
We tested the car with 64-55mm tires. We used a setup for 61mm and just ran the tires to the rim
The change in handling was surprisingly small.
We tested the car with 64-55mm tires. We used a setup for 61mm and just ran the tires to the rim
The change in handling was surprisingly small.
#1783
Originally posted by GoldFinger
Put the assembly (without top bearing and plastic guide) on chassis, push upper (802143) Servo saver with your thumb and lower servo saver with other finger then slide the e-clip with your left hand, halfway is enough to holds it. Then use your plier to settle on the clip.
Stand up while you push down the servo saver and make sure your chasis is completely flat on the table.
Yes.. it is not an easy thing to do. My thumbs still "in red" by now.
Maybe if you have a small vice or small C-Clamps it would be helpfull.
Put the assembly (without top bearing and plastic guide) on chassis, push upper (802143) Servo saver with your thumb and lower servo saver with other finger then slide the e-clip with your left hand, halfway is enough to holds it. Then use your plier to settle on the clip.
Stand up while you push down the servo saver and make sure your chasis is completely flat on the table.
Yes.. it is not an easy thing to do. My thumbs still "in red" by now.
Maybe if you have a small vice or small C-Clamps it would be helpfull.
Has anyone ever wrenched on a serpent with their hands looking like cooked prawns after??
#1784
Originally posted by pineapplet
Tnks! Brute force it is then...
Tnks! Brute force it is then...
Originally posted by pineapplet
Has anyone ever wrenched on a serpent with their hands looking like cooked prawns after??
Has anyone ever wrenched on a serpent with their hands looking like cooked prawns after??
#1785
Originally posted by Julius
As you may recall, that was one of our goals!
As you may recall, that was one of our goals!



