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Old 09-11-2004, 05:43 AM   #15511
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When 1mm above the Hudy board, do your dogbones have lateral play or do they bind? If you have a very narrow trackwidth (~194 or less) in the rear or put fuel tubing in the axles (for whatever reason), the dogbones will bind when compressing the suspension that much.
no lateral play at 1mm. track is 200mm exactly (with wheels). from hex nut to hex nut, is about 180mm.

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no lateral play at 1mm. track is 200mm exactly (with wheels). from hex nut to hex nut, is about 180mm.

thanks you for your prompt attention.
Doh!
I said 194mm trackwidth but thats with the springsteel dogbones which are 1mm shorter. So with the stock dogbones they will bind with larger trackwidth and that much suspension compression.

I doubt it's a problem, rideheight down to 1mm with 65mm tyres shouldn't happen much. If the binding bothers you anyway, you could get the 1mm shorter springsteel dogbones and it will be fixed.
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Old 09-11-2004, 09:57 AM   #15515
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Doh!
I said 194mm trackwidth but thats with the springsteel dogbones which are 1mm shorter. So with the stock dogbones they will bind with larger trackwidth and that much suspension compression.

I doubt it's a problem, rideheight down to 1mm with 65mm tyres shouldn't happen much. If the binding bothers you anyway, you could get the 1mm shorter springsteel dogbones and it will be fixed.
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Old 09-11-2004, 12:37 PM   #15517
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THANKS! anyone else have a few cents to throw in this jar?
To be frank I've never checked that. However, if you have 1mm still then it should be great because you'll never bottom out your chassis if your tyres are at 63-64mm.

When setting the car up, follow the little bible on upstop settings.
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Old 09-11-2004, 01:45 PM   #15518
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Team RD Logics setup for the 710.

we had on power push issues early in the week we tried to solve and adding as much as an ounce and a half to the front of the car helped.

we ran 2 setups
ours early in the week and on friday
and the serpent team setup on saturday.
Sunday we went back two our setup as we felt with the solid axle the car just did not rotate well. Brian ran well with that setup. I've watched Brian run a long time and I could tell that setup was holding him back.

what we ran. 4 of us worked on setup for a couple weeks.

front
camber +2
wheelbase shortened 3 MM top and bottom
caster 2mm clip in front
shock oil 80 or 100 wt
shocks 3 holes open
shocks layed down 3 holes
springs red
swaybar stood straight up
Front upper roll center at upper most adjustment
tires 42 shore 58 MM
I ran 1 0z additional weight under the front axle (Hudy Xray weights)

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camber +4
toe 2.0 to 2.5
shocks 80 wt oil
3 holes open
shocks stood straight up
springs red
2.5 bar 10 MM in on pivots
roll up on lower arm
roll center middle inner on upper arm
drs arm up
42 shore tires 58 MM

pinion gearing 16-21
yellow or red shoe
stock flyweights
950 R spring

The car was good on thurs friday and saturday but a little tippy over 59 MM on tire dia on sunday. I just could not push the car hard.

The Team serpent setup seemed a little more forgiving for tippiness.
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Old 09-11-2004, 01:50 PM   #15519
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Excellent info Motorman!

Wow, those shock oil values are very high!! Was this due to the very high bite of the track or simply that the surface was very flat and smooth?

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Team RD Logics setup for the 710.

we had on power push issues early in the week we tried to solve and adding as much as an ounce and a half to the front of the car helped.

we ran 2 setups
ours early in the week and on friday
and the serpent team setup on saturday.
Sunday we went back two our setup as we felt with the solid axle the car just did not rotate well. Brian ran well with that setup. I've watched Brian run a long time and I could tell that setup was holding him back.

what we ran. 4 of us worked on setup for a couple weeks.

front
camber +2
wheelbase shortened 3 MM top and bottom
caster 2mm clip in front
shock oil 80 or 100 wt
shocks 3 holes open
shocks layed down 3 holes
springs red
swaybar stood straight up
Front upper roll center at upper most adjustment
tires 42 shore 58 MM
I ran 1 0z additional weight under the front axle (Hudy Xray weights)

Rear
camber +4
toe 2.0 to 2.5
shocks 80 wt oil
3 holes open
shocks stood straight up
springs red
2.5 bar 10 MM in on pivots
roll up on lower arm
roll center middle inner on upper arm
drs arm up
42 shore tires 58 MM

pinion gearing 16-21
yellow or red shoe
stock flyweights
950 R spring

The car was good on thurs friday and saturday but a little tippy over 59 MM on tire dia on sunday. I just could not push the car hard.

The Team serpent setup seemed a little more forgiving for tippiness.

Motorman, thanks for sharing the team RDL setup. Questions: ...

Are your motors now in production and distributed by RDL?

How did you do the 3mm mod? I've done 1mm but even then I find there's ample steering. I assume with the stiff roll bar as well as 42 shores then the 3mm SWB is for rotation purposes only?

Which shock oil did you use? I mean is it Trinity, Kyosho etc?

With the 16 pinion, what spur did you use and did you ever strip your spurs using the 16t pinion?

Thanks.
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Motorman, thanks for sharing the team RDL setup. Questions: ...

Are your motors now in production and distributed by RDL?
Motorman, I'll pay you double not to sell Sow an engine
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Old 09-11-2004, 02:36 PM   #15522
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The new Mega engines look sweet
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The new Mega engines look sweet
Agreed but I'm still suspicious about tuning Picco based engines. Will have to wait and see if anyone here gets one.
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Motors are on the way, should start to see the real production engines by the end of the month, I was satisfied that they have the power and performance we want. RDL will distribute them. Just wish I had had some to give to Mike, Ron and Atsushi. I think Mike was in the mood to hijack rays motor for a week. LOL
Barry showed up with a heathy odonnel powerplant for Mike the week of the race so Mike was in good shape.

I used associated oil. yes the heavy shock oil helped to shut down a couple of things. weight transfer to the rear tires under accel (ie more steering and less turn in twichiness. I have always had good turn in but never enough on power steering. yes the traction was high but not as high as the great lakes challenge where I had to use 45 shore fronts with 5 mm narrowing and still had roll over issues.
Oh yes I forgot to mention on our setup we ran a one way.

The only big difference between what we ran and what team serpent ran was with the locked front you run the front roll center in the mid position and the rear lower arm down. and its a toss up between the 2.0 and 2.5 bar. I ran the 2.0 with that setup. to get it to steer a little more.

I know the bar deal has some people confused but the more rear roll on the 710 the more the front plants itself harder giving more steering and less push=less rear traction. It took a while for me to get it too

I ran stock spurs and the first gear spur is a high maintenance Item I have found

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what I cut off the rear of each arm I trimmed and put back in front of the arm. then I drummed up some spacers I cut from an old arm to space the swaybar at the arm location.
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Old 09-11-2004, 05:10 PM   #15525
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Well, I ran my 710 for the first time today in a race. Needless to say I am very happy. I only ran it the last heat and the main because I didn't have my body done yet. In the first heat I ran it I ran one more lap than I did running my NTC3. This car is so much smoother. I have got a little push toget taken care of, but other than that I love this car.
One question for everyone though. What bodies do you find to work the best with this car. Currently I am runng a Alfa Romeo.
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