JP engines
#243
Originally posted by daniz24
Mr. JP himself has done this to my engine (which my friend borrowed for the WC in Brazil) It's weird because he put the shim outside of the sleeve.
Mr. JP himself has done this to my engine (which my friend borrowed for the WC in Brazil) It's weird because he put the shim outside of the sleeve.
#244
Originally posted by InitialD
Does it not increase volume of the combustion chamber? Higher RPM?
Does it not increase volume of the combustion chamber? Higher RPM?
AFM
#245
Originally posted by afm
Yes, so it would help to know if they readjusted head shim to keep original combustion chamber size, so that way they gained higher Rpm's with port raising, and kept torque by reducing shims.
Yes, so it would help to know if they readjusted head shim to keep original combustion chamber size, so that way they gained higher Rpm's with port raising, and kept torque by reducing shims.
#246
If you shim below sleeve to raise it that will also raise your deck height, if JP used same shims for deck height or removed some to keep the same deck height we dunno, just you might need ot machine your button some so you are able to get it low enough to have proper deck height and a shim between it and sleeve for a good seal. I'v enever ran w/o any head shims before but would be leary that it wouldn't seal good or the head might want to come loose.
#247
Originally posted by InitialD
Does it not increase volume of the combustion chamber? Higher RPM?
Does it not increase volume of the combustion chamber? Higher RPM?
Of course the ID required for the under sleeve shim would be different.
#248
Originally posted by Taylor-Racing
Well, if you remove the .3mm shim from under the button and add it under the rim of the sleeve, there will be zero nett gain or loss to the combustion chamber volume.
Well, if you remove the .3mm shim from under the button and add it under the rim of the sleeve, there will be zero nett gain or loss to the combustion chamber volume.
#249
Originally posted by daniz24
Mr. JP himself has done this to my engine (which my friend borrowed for the WC in Brazil) It's weird because he put the shim outside of the sleeve.
Have any of you experienced with this? Whats behind this idea? What is he want to achieve for its power?
Mr. JP himself has done this to my engine (which my friend borrowed for the WC in Brazil) It's weird because he put the shim outside of the sleeve.
Have any of you experienced with this? Whats behind this idea? What is he want to achieve for its power?
#250
Originally posted by dino.tw
Higher all ports at the same time(not only exhaust height). I have tried this way before.
Higher all ports at the same time(not only exhaust height). I have tried this way before.
#251
Originally posted by InitialD
How different did it make the engine? Better or worse? Did you reduce the head clearance when you raised the piston sleeve? By the same amount? Thanks Dino.
How different did it make the engine? Better or worse? Did you reduce the head clearance when you raised the piston sleeve? By the same amount? Thanks Dino.
I have also tried to lower the sleeve 0.2mm on my buggy engine for better low-end. that is another trick.
#252
Originally posted by InitialD
True. But like what others have mentioned, the exhaust height plus all the other ports are raised by 0.3 mm if 0.3 shim is added under the rim of the sleeve.
True. But like what others have mentioned, the exhaust height plus all the other ports are raised by 0.3 mm if 0.3 shim is added under the rim of the sleeve.
As to the overall effect, I have no idea.
I prefer to just buy 'em from the people that know what they're doing. I'm unlikely to catch up to their level of knowlege that separates a good engine from a blistering one.
#253
It is depend how much you will put under sleeve shims. great amount will kill bottom end completely-engine will be for speed only ( realy fast on the end of long straight) but it will be realy slow on bottom end. I have tryed to raise sleeve on 21 Nova by 0.5 mm ( all timing raised by 11.5 degree)-it was no good!!!!!! Don't go there, it will be very high speed engine with no bottom end at all.
#254
Originally posted by Top Gun 777
It is depend how much you will put under sleeve shims. great amount will kill bottom end completely-engine will be for speed only ( realy fast on the end of long straight) but it will be realy slow on bottom end. I have tryed to raise sleeve on 21 Nova by 0.5 mm ( all timing raised by 11.5 degree)-it was no good!!!!!! Don't go there, it will be very high speed engine with no bottom end at all.
It is depend how much you will put under sleeve shims. great amount will kill bottom end completely-engine will be for speed only ( realy fast on the end of long straight) but it will be realy slow on bottom end. I have tryed to raise sleeve on 21 Nova by 0.5 mm ( all timing raised by 11.5 degree)-it was no good!!!!!! Don't go there, it will be very high speed engine with no bottom end at all.
Before you mod your engine,you need to think WHAT is not enough or WHAT is too much. If you don't have any idea,don't take risk. You can get the same result on gearing and pipe tuning. When it is not enough to you,then just think about mod it.
#255
0.3 mm height change is 6 degree difference on 12 engine, it will not chnage a lot, it will defenetly add top speed in exchange of little bit bottom end-one of the modding for particular track (high flow tracks)



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