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JJay03 01-04-2013 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by nikos2002 (Post 11632348)
Jay, that is how I run them.

We really dont recommend to shorten the leads. Part of the reason of the length is to help place it around the chassis the other is that surely the amount of resistance involved is designed into the system.

And Dave is right - the better the iron, the easier it is to do any type do solder work.

Cool thanks I need to pick me up a decent iron now or borrow one.

Oh and do you solder it with everything in the chassis or do you take it out and solder it with the motor on the bench.

tony montana 01-04-2013 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by FLHX1550 (Post 11632067)
It is possible yes, BUT make sure you are using the hottest soldering iron you can get your hands on. A cheap one that doesn't get very hot will force you to put the iron on the terminals alot longer than you would with 12GA, and you can damage the ESC if you hold it on there too long. You souldn't be on the terminals for more than about 10 seconds in my opinion.

ok I have a hakko (spelling) 936. It does pretty good, but I may just wait until I get some 12 gauge

bring it on 01-05-2013 12:27 PM

Again my Viper system ran GREAT last night with a TQ and win in truck.... VTX10R-BE and 6.5
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/w...-4-13truck.jpg

techpro 01-06-2013 09:49 AM

ESC OVERHEATING
 
I have 10r 7.5 combo in a b4.1 81/22 gear,the esc gets hot to the point servo tape gets hot esc comes loose from chasiss,no boost or timing added,2 cell shorty lipo,anyone got some input on this.

Grasschopper 01-06-2013 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by techpro (Post 11639466)
I have 10r 7.5 combo in a b4.1 81/22 gear,the esc gets hot to the point servo tape gets hot esc comes loose from chasiss,no boost or timing added,2 cell shorty lipo,anyone got some input on this.

Wow...I would look for bad solder joints to the motor and battery as well as binding in your drive train. I run the 10BE with an 8.5 in my B4.1 with 81/21 and my esc is barely above ambient after a 10 min main.

FLHX1550 01-06-2013 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by techpro (Post 11639466)
I have 10r 7.5 combo in a b4.1 81/22 gear,the esc gets hot to the point servo tape gets hot esc comes loose from chasiss,no boost or timing added,2 cell shorty lipo,anyone got some input on this.

Can you get the temp off the esc?

Are you using the ESC Temp setting protection?

Your gearing should be ok, but maybe help with more info?

Wildcat1971 01-06-2013 12:38 PM

when I used the parma silicone servo tape I had the same issue. Even 135 deg would cause it to come loose. Not sure if you are using that tape or not, just an fyi.

Mandible 01-06-2013 01:42 PM

Disappointed by VST 17.5
 
Hi All,

I recently dropped the VTX10 w/ VST 17.5T into my new 22 sct and was extremely underwhelmed by the performance. I'm running the 78 spur with a 22 pinion and it feels like the truck has very little acceleration. When using the default load outs 1-3 race blinking mode, I have to peg the throttle just to barely clear any jumps on my local track, which is relatively small indoor. If I use load out #4 in race open mode, the truck feels more like what I would have expected, but then I still cant understand why the other trucks in my stock 17.5 class seem to blow me away without being in open mode.

Additionally, if I want to use practice mode, so I can access reverse, I'm back to having horrible performance with un-modded motor settings. Why cant I use boosted settings and have reverse?

Andy help would be greatly appreciated...!

Wildcat1971 01-06-2013 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Mandible (Post 11640314)
Hi All,

I recently dropped the VTX10 w/ VST 17.5T into my new 22 sct and was extremely underwhelmed by the performance. I'm running the 78 spur with a 22 pinion and it feels like the truck has very little acceleration. When using the default load outs 1-3 race blinking mode, I have to peg the throttle just to barely clear any jumps on my local track, which is relatively small indoor. If I use load out #4 in race open mode, the truck feels more like what I would have expected, but then I still cant understand why the other trucks in my stock 17.5 class seem to blow me away without being in open mode.

Additionally, if I want to use practice mode, so I can access reverse, I'm back to having horrible performance with un-modded motor settings. Why cant I use boosted settings and have reverse?

Andy help would be greatly appreciated...!

what is the timing at on your 17.5? what are your temps?

Bob Barry 01-06-2013 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Mandible (Post 11640314)
Hi All,

I recently dropped the VTX10 w/ VST 17.5T into my new 22 sct and was extremely underwhelmed by the performance. I'm running the 78 spur with a 22 pinion and it feels like the truck has very little acceleration. When using the default load outs 1-3 race blinking mode, I have to peg the throttle just to barely clear any jumps on my local track, which is relatively small indoor. If I use load out #4 in race open mode, the truck feels more like what I would have expected, but then I still cant understand why the other trucks in my stock 17.5 class seem to blow me away without being in open mode.

Additionally, if I want to use practice mode, so I can access reverse, I'm back to having horrible performance with un-modded motor settings. Why cant I use boosted settings and have reverse?

Andy help would be greatly appreciated...!

Verify you are on a55 firmware, then load profile 1 (for blinky) or 3 for boosted and see if you still have power issues. Every person I have talked to so far who has said they felt the motors lacked power was running old firmware so check that first.

As far as gearing, I don't know the TLR truck but just check with one of the locals who runs it (or someone here can help with gearing).

rider313 01-06-2013 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Mandible (Post 11640314)
Hi All,

I recently dropped the VTX10 w/ VST 17.5T into my new 22 sct and was extremely underwhelmed by the performance. I'm running the 78 spur with a 22 pinion and it feels like the truck has very little acceleration. When using the default load outs 1-3 race blinking mode, I have to peg the throttle just to barely clear any jumps on my local track, which is relatively small indoor. If I use load out #4 in race open mode, the truck feels more like what I would have expected, but then I still cant understand why the other trucks in my stock 17.5 class seem to blow me away without being in open mode.

Additionally, if I want to use practice mode, so I can access reverse, I'm back to having horrible performance with un-modded motor settings. Why cant I use boosted settings and have reverse?

Andy help would be greatly appreciated...!

+1 on the solder joints, but also what battery are you running?

silvalis 01-06-2013 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Mandible (Post 11640314)
Hi All,

I recently dropped the VTX10 w/ VST 17.5T into my new 22 sct and was extremely underwhelmed by the performance. I'm running the 78 spur with a 22 pinion and it feels like the truck has very little acceleration. When using the default load outs 1-3 race blinking mode, I have to peg the throttle just to barely clear any jumps on my local track, which is relatively small indoor. If I use load out #4 in race open mode, the truck feels more like what I would have expected, but then I still cant understand why the other trucks in my stock 17.5 class seem to blow me away without being in open mode.

Additionally, if I want to use practice mode, so I can access reverse, I'm back to having horrible performance with un-modded motor settings. Why cant I use boosted settings and have reverse?

Andy help would be greatly appreciated...!

Aren't you geared super low for a 17.5 blinky? Shouldn't you be around 30/78 or something?

Mandible 01-06-2013 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Bob Barry (Post 11640433)
Verify you are on a55 firmware, then load profile 1 (for blinky) or 3 for boosted and see if you still have power issues. Every person I have talked to so far who has said they felt the motors lacked power was running old firmware so check that first.

As far as gearing, I don't know the TLR truck but just check with one of the locals who runs it (or someone here can help with gearing).

Thanks for the reply Bob! I can confirm that I'm using FM ver 5.5. On profile #3 the performance seems great, but if I move to any of the race profile's or practice, the speed/acceleration is terrible. I'm fairly sure my gearing is solid, so I can only assume this motor simply cant compete with others in the stock 17.5 class. I shouldn't have to run boosted, just get over the second hump in a triple jump.

Mandible 01-06-2013 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by silvalis (Post 11640617)
Aren't you geared super low for a 17.5 blinky? Shouldn't you be around 30/78 or something?

But woudn't moving from a 22 to 30 have less torq/acceleration? (currently not getting any tire slippage). Top speed is not really an issue on the relatively small indoor track I run on.

Bob Barry 01-06-2013 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Mandible (Post 11640669)
But woudn't moving from a 22 to 30 have less torq/acceleration? (currently not getting any tire slippage). Top speed is not really an issue on the relatively small indoor track I run on.

It's your gearing.

I just googled TLR 22SCT setup sheets and picked the first 17.5 class setup sheet


You can see he's running 28 / 76. http://www.petitrc.com/setup/losi/se...up20120805.pdf

Bump your gearing up some and see how it works. Just monitor the temps after a few minutes. Keep the temps under 150 to be safe. Run it on profile 1 if you have a55 frimware. That's the '17.5 blinky' mode

Try this and let me know how it is.


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