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Old 06-06-2011 | 11:27 AM
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You guys are making me nervous here now.....what esc model do you guys run?
I'm about to order the Viper stuff....down here in Texas it is HOT already.

It's gonna be tough for any esc/motor here in summer.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Stealth_RT
Is the Viper 1/8th ESC going to be 6S capable? And when is it going to be released?
Yes it will be 6s capable. No release date yet though, we're still in testing and development stages.

Originally Posted by ShagNastyEk9
anyone have any recommendations for a starting point on my profile for a 550 5.5 on the vtx10r in my sc10 4x4? running it today, any help appreciated
Start with pre-set profile #1, should be a good starting point. Maybe increase the throttle PWM freq to 9600hz to drop the motor temp some.

Originally Posted by Cult Racing
I have a similar problem, i didnt shut it off though. It was on and was trying to set it and then all the sudden turned off on me and wont come back on, but the one in my ae 4x4 works great.
Unfortunately some esc's from the first two production batches had stability issues as some of you have experienced. We have addressed the cause of the issues and everything coming out of the factory now will be much more reliable.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dlewis4
What is your gearing? Your PWM? Your throttle profile?
62/12 i am using the stock profile 1 no boost or timing on motor. Throttle EPA i tried was between 70 and 90 to see if that would help. No go. I am ready to send her back in in hopes that it is just something wrong with this one but dont want to if i dont have to.
THanks the help.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OWTKAST cpt
I had my ESC on profile 4 for boosted 17.5

I was playing with setting due to low traction. How do I go back to full factory 17.5 boost settings?



Anyone have a good powerful 17.5 setup as well for 2wd medium traction buggy? Need it to be real smooth but scream on top more some long straights and large jumps.

Thanks
The only way to revert back to the default settings is by reloading the firmware onto the esc, which you'll need the pc link to do. Try these throttle/timing settings:

Acc boost:
4500-12,500rpm @ 20* max adv timing

top speed timing:
3*/1000rpm @ 35* max adv timing

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5000hz
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Originally Posted by racene1
I have the 10r and am having some heating issues, is there a certain profile that you guys are using with the sc 4x4's to make sure it doesnt thermal and shut down? My set up is:
lrp x12L 4.5 that never temps more than 175. 12t pinion on 62 tooth spur. the esc is like 180-190 on the case when i get it back in the pits and temp. I think shut down is like 220 internal on these. Is that normal. What have you guys been getting temp wise?
thanks JT
There's about a 50* split between the internal thermal cutoff temp and exterior case temp. 220* cutoff should usually cut motor power around 170-180* case temp. In the 4x4 trucks it's common to see them around 140-160, same with mod tc.

180-190 is pretty high, though I have seen a +/-20* range using 3 different temp guns on the same component... Try using a different temp gun, because if it's measuring 190* case temp it should probably be hitting thermal cutoff.

In terms of actually dropping the esc temp try a lower throttle and brake pwm frequency. What sort of air/track conditions are you running in?

Originally Posted by Darrin70
Did some testing today with my 10R in my SCT, had a bit of an issue... Motor is a 550 Trinity D3 Monster 4.5t... My issue was I can't seem to hit full throttle with out it cutting out.. There is a long back straight I was feeding it slow to top speed then when it got to full throttle it would cut out, any ideas? My guess is it has something to do with the Throttle PW frequency that I set at 2000mhz but just realized now I should have changed it back... Oh and the esc was at about 140-150 and the motor was 120-130.. My esc's in the past have never gotten that warm...? Also running a 2s battery!! Profile #1 Spec offroad/no boost
Check your solder connections to make sure there are no bad joints. Check your motor sensor and sensor wire as well, perhaps try a different motor first since that's usually easier than trying a different esc. You need to start troubleshooting your setup at this point. For a 4.5t 550 you'll probably want the drive pwm frequency between 4000-9600hz. That esc temp however is not a concern with the heavy truck and big motor, pretty much where you'd expect to see it.

Originally Posted by TopAs
I have the same problem in a 1:10 4wd durango buggy 6.5T .... same gearing 20T as with the lrp sxx tc V1 - result : thermal cutoff of the ESC (set to 230F !) profile 2 : no boost ,no timing, punch to 60 % !!!!. Outside temp of the ESC 150 F - motor 150F ...
What sort of air and track conditions? Did you confirm the esc/motor temp with another temp gun? You won't see thermal cutoff at 150* case temp if it's set to 230*, that's too much of a split. But you're measurement isn't the issue here, the issue is hitting thermal cutoff. Give us your settings/setup or perhaps even a photo of your setup so we can try and troubleshoot a bit farther.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 01:52 PM
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Thank you... i wanted to say that... but i didnt want to be the dick. Lol
Just put the answer in your sig... IN HUGE RED LETTERS LIKE THIS!!!
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Old 06-06-2011 | 02:45 PM
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Thanks Weylin, I will start with the Throttle PW setting first, then work my way back if the issue persists..
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Old 06-06-2011 | 03:05 PM
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Weylin,


Any plans to make a 4 pole motor for the 4x4 SC's? They seem to handle the rigors of 4x4 SC better than the 550's.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 04:20 PM
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Been running the buggy 1800 in my TQ buggy, 18/46 gearing with 27* of timing on an RX8. Ran all day Saturday without a hitch, started at 17/46, and it was pretty quick, coming off after 10 minutes at about 150*. I needed a hair more power so i just bumped up one on the pinion. Motor got a little bit warmer (180*) after 10 minutes, but wasa running great and did not get soft. After qualifying for the day, I went out for some extended practice. I ran for about 20 minutes straight, and temped the can at 195. Not bad for 20 minutes of race pace practice. it never got soft either. I am running 2 2s Speedzone 5700 50C packs, Tekin RX8. After 20 minutes, i put 4000mah back in the batteries, so the motor/speedo seem to be pretty efficient.



Also have been doing a bit of testing with my 550 5.5 in an SC10 4x4. Back to back against a Tekin 550 5.5, this motor is hands down faster and stronger. The Viper would clear our huge double in Topeka, while the Tekin would not. The tekin was also thermaling my VTX10R. The Viper was not. It was warm, but not hot like the Tekin motor.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dlewis4
Been running the buggy 1800 in my TQ buggy, 18/46 gearing with 27* of timing on an RX8. Ran all day Saturday without a hitch, started at 17/46, and it was pretty quick, coming off after 10 minutes at about 150*. I needed a hair more power so i just bumped up one on the pinion. Motor got a little bit warmer (180*) after 10 minutes, but wasa running great and did not get soft. After qualifying for the day, I went out for some extended practice. I ran for about 20 minutes straight, and temped the can at 195. Not bad for 20 minutes of race pace practice. it never got soft either. I am running 2 2s Speedzone 5700 50C packs, Tekin RX8. After 20 minutes, i put 4000mah back in the batteries, so the motor/speedo seem to be pretty efficient.



Also have been doing a bit of testing with my 550 5.5 in an SC10 4x4. Back to back against a Tekin 550 5.5, this motor is hands down faster and stronger. The Viper would clear our huge double in Topeka, while the Tekin would not. The tekin was also thermaling my VTX10R. The Viper was not. It was warm, but not hot like the Tekin motor.
Im glad to hear that, because i have the tekin 4.5 and seems to run kinda hot. Going to pre-order the viper motor, cant wait to put it in my truck.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Cult Racing
Im glad to hear that, because i have the tekin 4.5 and seems to run kinda hot. Going to pre-order the viper motor, cant wait to put it in my truck.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 04:36 PM
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Thats where I ordered my 10r, unfortunately it didnt work but thanks to viper for their great help, cant wait to get my 10r back. But ill definitely order there.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cult Racing
Thats where I ordered my 10r, unfortunately it didnt work but thanks to viper for their great help, cant wait to get my 10r back. But ill definitely order there.
Sorry about that... seems like a few of them came out DOA... but that should have been fixed by now.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 04:58 PM
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There's about a 50* split between the internal thermal cutoff temp and exterior case temp. 220* cutoff should usually cut motor power around 170-180* case temp. In the 4x4 trucks it's common to see them around 140-160, same with mod tc.

180-190 is pretty high, though I have seen a +/-20* range using 3 different temp guns on the same component... Try using a different temp gun, because if it's measuring 190* case temp it should probably be hitting thermal cutoff.

In terms of actually dropping the esc temp try a lower throttle and brake pwm frequency. What sort of air/track conditions are you running in?



Check your solder connections to make sure there are no bad joints. Check your motor sensor and sensor wire as well, perhaps try a different motor first since that's usually easier than trying a different esc. You need to start troubleshooting your setup at this point. For a 4.5t 550 you'll probably want the drive pwm frequency between 4000-9600hz. That esc temp however is not a concern with the heavy truck and big motor, pretty much where you'd expect to see it.



What sort of air and track conditions? Did you confirm the esc/motor temp with another temp gun? You won't see thermal cutoff at 150* case temp if it's set to 230*, that's too much of a split. But you're measurement isn't the issue here, the issue is hitting thermal cutoff. Give us your settings/setup or perhaps even a photo of your setup so we can try and troubleshoot a bit farther.
Thanks for the info. I am flumoxed as to what is happening. Everything is free moving as i just went through and checked with no motor. The joints on the esc are good secure although you might not me able to see the motor ones here with the shrinkwrap but the batt wires are there and look good to me. I have mounted a fan as you can see and hope this helps


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Old 06-06-2011 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dlewis4
Sorry about that... seems like a few of them came out DOA... but that should have been fixed by now.
sweet, just cant wait for the 8th scale esc to come out. Thats one thing im really excited for.
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Old 06-06-2011 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cult Racing
sweet, just cant wait for the 8th scale esc to come out. Thats one thing im really excited for.
You are going to love it... will easily be the smallest 8th scale speedo on the market
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