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JPMSRacing 04-20-2009 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by keavze (Post 5705253)
hi guys,
just wana find out how much difference (in terms of power) is the c6 compared with ws7? :weird:

or it's a no contest at all? :lol:

WS7 lots more top end, big open track engine, C6 will pull wheelies in truggies, so much bottom end, great engine for typical smaller technical tracks, like in my area, and great fuel mileage, 8-10 mins on a tank, because it has so much power you never ever use much throttle.

triplesix 04-20-2009 05:23 AM

I highly doubt, the C6 has less top end than a WS7! Both have great top.
While the WS7 has very well but still well controllable bottom, the C6 is just an animal! A C6 is by far a better truggy engine than the WS7 is.

nick_m 04-20-2009 05:42 AM

best plug
 
I have the WSTL2g and was wondering which would be the best plug to run in it? I was thinking of this one: http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...oducts_id/2226, would you recomend this one or another? Let me know what you think.

NitroWD 04-20-2009 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by triplesix (Post 5706525)
I highly doubt, the C6 has less top end than a WS7! Both have great top.
While the WS7 has very well but still well controllable bottom, the C6 is just an animal! A C6 is by far a better truggy engine than the WS7 is.

does that mean c6 is not suitable for buggy? :weird:

keavze 04-20-2009 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Chris__RC (Post 5705567)
I think that is an onroad engine.....

oops my bad. :sweat:
by the way, i've a used c6 but how to tell which version is it? the prints on the heatsink are totally 'un-readable'. :lol:

it uses a turbo plug and with red 7mm venturi. BBT, BBTII or BBII? :weird:
on the rod there's a '05' engraved.

triplesix 04-20-2009 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by NitroWD (Post 5706800)
does that mean c6 is not suitable for buggy? :weird:

It's very suitable, lots of people run this smill in their buggies! It pulls very hard from the bottom and is therefore not the easiest to handle, specially on low traction surfaces.

Semple 04-20-2009 07:08 AM

With the right restrictor, it's(c6) really good in a buggy. I would never use it myself, because it could pull a 400lb person on a computer chair, but it's good if you can handle it.

JPMSRacing 04-20-2009 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by NitroWD (Post 5706800)
does that mean c6 is not suitable for buggy? :weird:

O heck no, I dropped 4secs a lap where I club race by pulling out the V-Spec and putting in a C6 in my CR-X1X Buggy last year and I just ordered another C6 for my X2 Buggy this year. My sons CR-X1 has a WS7 in it and its way faster down a long straight.

Midnight 04-20-2009 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 5701504)
Does anybody know the diff between the s3 l2g and the s3 II l2g? Can I use the jp3 pipe?

Any one?

Eccentric 04-20-2009 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Semple (Post 5706887)
With the right restrictor, it's(c6) really good in a buggy. I would never use it myself, because it could pull a 400lb person on a computer chair, but it's good if you can handle it.

Another quality, quotable post from Semple!

I agree 100% about the C6.

rallyebmx 04-20-2009 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Semple (Post 5706887)
I would never use it myself, because it could pull a 400lb person on a computer chair, but it's good if you can handle it.

:lol: Thats good! I've got the USA waiting to go in-I'm scared:tire:

slaytanic 04-20-2009 09:58 AM

Whats the best plug for an S5? I'm using a 2035 pipe with it.

JPMSRacing 04-20-2009 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by Semple (Post 5706887)
With the right restrictor, it's(c6) really good in a buggy. I would never use it myself, because it could pull a 400lb person on a computer chair, but it's good if you can handle it.

Thats funny right there:lol:

It does have alot of power, it helped me in buggy because of fuel mileage and where other cars have to hold enough momentum wide in a turn to make a jump, I can hug the pipe and blip the throttle and make the jump, also in a timed section, if you get out of time you can recover quickly. And at one track they still use a gate drop, that C6 will put 10ft on any other car on the straight out of the gate.

triplesix 04-20-2009 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by slaytanic (Post 5707575)
Whats the best plug for an S5? I'm using a 2035 pipe with it.

it comes with a novarossi/rb 6 standard plug from the factory. works like a charm. :nod:

keavze 04-21-2009 12:59 AM

16% nitro
 
hi,
on the ws7 and c6 there's total of 0.3mm shims (usable to 25%nitro according to manual); if i wana run 16%nitro, do i have to remove 0.1mm shim or leave it alone? :sweat:

putterx 04-21-2009 01:57 AM

Has anyone ever tried the turbo head on the S5. If so what are your results?

NitroWD 04-21-2009 08:55 AM

about RB 192 header, it's considered as short?

Midnight 04-21-2009 12:54 PM

Any word on when the new motors will be in the US.

slaytanic 04-24-2009 09:45 AM

Anyone know the factory settings for the S5?

losi8lunie 04-24-2009 11:01 AM

Idle air gap 0.8mm
High jet. 3.5 turns out from closed
Low jet 5 turns out from closed (make sure you set this by holding the slide full open otherwise you will damage the spray bar)

slaytanic 04-24-2009 12:28 PM

Thanks! I just rebuilt mine and was using the carb on a GO so the needles are all wacked!

8&stuff 04-24-2009 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by putterx (Post 5711508)
Has anyone ever tried the turbo head on the S5. If so what are your results?

I have a turbo button on my s5 l2g. honestly it runs about the same. main reason im using turbo button is so i dont have to change plug so much. I didnt even think about it and ran same plug for over 2 gallons. when tunes on and with short header and 086 it runs 12+ minutes with that turbo button. without turb button its just over 11, both with 30%

Midnight 04-24-2009 06:57 PM

Do you have to run the inserts to get that kind of run time?

aaron joy 04-24-2009 07:03 PM

I would say yes to inserts. I get about 11-12 minutes on my modded ws7 with normal plug, 25% Byrons Gen 2 race blend and #7 insert. Love my RB's I can't wait to try out my new "Hobby" 5 port when it comes in.

Midnight 04-24-2009 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by aaron joy (Post 5728906)
I would say yes to inserts. I get about 11-12 minutes on my modded ws7 with normal plug, 25% Byrons Gen 2 race blend and #7 insert. Love my RB's I can't wait to try out my new "Hobby" 5 port when it comes in.

THanks for the info. SHould I run the #7 on my new S5, during break in and after break in. Thanks for the response, atleast there is one person out there showing love. I also run odonnell 30% after break in. I run 20% sidewinder during break in. Also, where did you order that new Hobby 5? I wanted to wait for these but got to jonesing after I ran that s3 last weekend.

Quietman 04-25-2009 05:17 AM

Problem with b9
 
Hi
I have a b9 to replace my grp tuned engine.I have broken the engine in but the engine seem to get very hot 160-180f but does not have the power anywhere near the grp which has had a full rebuild.The tried different plugs rb 6-7 better with 7 ran cooler.But does not have the top speed.
Thanks

8&stuff 04-25-2009 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 5728880)
Do you have to run the inserts to get that kind of run time?

I use no inserts at all. Its more the pipe and header that do anything on my s5 l2g. super linear and smooth.

Midnight 04-25-2009 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by 8&stuff (Post 5730168)
I use no inserts at all. Its more the pipe and header that do anything on my s5 l2g. super linear and smooth.

Well Ive already ordered inserts 6.5, 7.5 and 8.5. i was planning on using the jp3 pipe and header or I can use a 192 header and 2020 pipe.

Midnight 04-25-2009 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Quietman (Post 5730080)
Hi
I have a b9 to replace my grp tuned engine.I have broken the engine in but the engine seem to get very hot 160-180f but does not have the power anywhere near the grp which has had a full rebuild.The tried different plugs rb 6-7 better with 7 ran cooler.But does not have the top speed.
Thanks

That sounds like a tuning or clutch issue. I have been fortunate to have guys at the track help me tune. WHen I first went out, it topped out about a 1/4 of the straight. Cool puller had me pull it over several times and bam she would scream down the straight.

RJNicholson 04-25-2009 06:55 AM

RB has always taken time to tune and fully break in. :eek:

There is something about the way they build there motors.

180 isn't Hot by any means for that engine, and it will take way more then a gallon before you get a good pinch in the engine, and get the carb where it needs to be.

Give it some time and keep running it.

B9=C6 part for part from what I have heard, so it really shoulb be a beast once its really run in.

Semple 04-25-2009 07:42 AM

My WS7 is giving me some problems. I've been chasing a tune all week in preparation for tomorrow. I've been running it for a tank, letting it cool, then running it again. It seems inconsistent from tank to tank. I've been getting a lot of stalling in the higher RPM range while accelerating. The engine seems to get hotter and hotter during each tank until it's about 250 or even 260. After a few minutes, there's plenty of smoke, but the first few minutes are often much less smokey. I'm thinking my bottom is too rich and my top is too lean, but it's hard to detect because my idle is too high. I'm hoping I can get it set right before tomorrow.

Any suggestions on where I should be going with my needles?

8&stuff 04-25-2009 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Semple (Post 5730370)
My WS7 is giving me some problems. I've been chasing a tune all week in preparation for tomorrow. I've been running it for a tank, letting it cool, then running it again. It seems inconsistent from tank to tank. I've been getting a lot of stalling in the higher RPM range while accelerating. The engine seems to get hotter and hotter during each tank until it's about 250 or even 260. After a few minutes, there's plenty of smoke, but the first few minutes are often much less smokey. I'm thinking my bottom is too rich and my top is too lean, but it's hard to detect because my idle is too high. I'm hoping I can get it set right before tomorrow.

Any suggestions on where I should be going with my needles?


what plug are you using...try hotter plug. iv been reading on here the rb/nova plugs have been fouled.
I see some c6's around but not many s7's. most rb's are similar but not the same. I know from experience the rb pipes and both 053&086 pipes from power racing or dynamite are descent pipes on my s5 l2g. the only jp pipe i would try on an s7 is a jp1. i have all jp pipes ecxept the p6 and have tried them all on my s5 and they either lack somthing or tend to run hotter than the dynamite/rb pipes. I tried the losi re11 last week and things were good but ran a little hot. when running hot i usually try richening top and lean bottom an hour. running an rb at 240degrees is fine(i have a grp that runs 60 or more degrees less). when i see 260+ after a 15 minute run i turn needles. I am believing tune by sound is better than by temp. I have have the extra shim under my button right now too.

8&stuff 04-25-2009 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 5730232)
Well Ive already ordered inserts 6.5, 7.5 and 8.5. i was planning on using the jp3 pipe and header or I can use a 192 header and 2020 pipe.

I hear of guys running jp3's(some get lucky and are efficient)but that 2020+short header outta be nice..I read somewhere somebody was getting more than 13 minutes and it might have been with an insert. if i remember right it was on a ws7.

Quietman 04-25-2009 11:59 AM

which other plugs fit
 
Hi
Apart from the rb range of plugs what other plugs can you use and which ones are the same as the rb range.
Thanks

8&stuff 04-25-2009 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Quietman (Post 5730906)
Hi
Apart from the rb range of plugs what other plugs can you use and which ones are the same as the rb range.
Thanks

0do97t

t4mania 04-25-2009 03:19 PM

Hey guys getting ready to order my D8 and would like to know if there are any parts I should stock up on. How about upgrades. Heard there were some problems with the driveshafts. Fix available?

Midnight 04-25-2009 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by 8&stuff (Post 5730865)
I hear of guys running jp3's(some get lucky and are efficient)but that 2020+short header outta be nice..I read somewhere somebody was getting more than 13 minutes and it might have been with an insert. if i remember right it was on a ws7.

Well a buddy has a jp4 and a 2045 for sale cheap. Would one of those work?

8&stuff 04-25-2009 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 5731613)
Well a buddy has a jp4 and a 2045 for sale cheap. Would one of those work?

I tried jp4 a month ago for a couple tanks and it ran strong but hot. 2045 is the ticket. with the s5 2045 lacked top end just a little at end of straights. id say your gaurenteed 11 minutes. I used a 2045 for second half of 1st gallon on break in. 2045 or 086 are the only pipes iv liked on my s5. wish i still had my 2045 being that my rb is pipe limited...

putterx 04-25-2009 07:02 PM

I personally have been using the Odonnel 099 plug in my S5. I have about a gallon on the plug in there now. I have used the 099 in cold weather and hot weather and it works fine.

Shooky 04-25-2009 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by 8&stuff (Post 5730865)
I hear of guys running jp3's(some get lucky and are efficient)but that 2020+short header outta be nice..I read somewhere somebody was getting more than 13 minutes and it might have been with an insert. if i remember right it was on a ws7.


Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 5731613)
Well a buddy has a jp4 and a 2045 for sale cheap. Would one of those work?

I have a WS7 III and I am currently using a JP-4 pipe with a 6.5 restictor. I can almost get 13 minutes on a tank (120cc). This is with 25% fuel and a OS P4 plug. Runs like a grape ape and temps at 235 degrees.


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