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Originally Posted by ShortCourseOnly
(Post 8686746)
Understood.
My Winter series track is pretty loose most of the time and I have found that more toe has helped. Some have tried even more with degraded performance. I did use the standard 2.5 toe block with the 1 Deg hubs outdoors with good success. As I understand it you need less toe as your traction improves. So a high bite track should not need more than 3 deg total. What I also understand is that if you stay with the high toe it will reduce you straight line speed. You could always push through this with more power in a Mod class I think. If you look through the various set-up sheets the Pros vary from 3 degress to 4.5 degrees. On my FTSC10 that will run on hard pack med-high traction, I'll be using prob just the 3.5 toe mount or 3 deg toe mount with 0.5 deg hubs. |
I'm lovin all this toe and ball diff talk :D
I ran my FT at AMS Raceway in MI on the weekend for the first time with the ball diff. It's a fairly smooth clay track, but the I could definitely notice the ball diff workin it's magic as my truck seemed more consistent around the corners and squaring up to the jumps. Thru qualifying my average time was close to a second faster than with the gear diff. Overall I'm definitely pleased! I'm running a 4* toe block, thinking of going to a 3* or 3.5* block since I'm not having any forward traction issues and hoping it'd improve my corner speed even more. |
Originally Posted by HB Willy
(Post 8688258)
I'm lovin all this toe and ball diff talk :D
I ran my FT at AMS Raceway in MI on the weekend for the first time with the ball diff. It's a fairly smooth clay track, but the I could definitely notice the ball diff workin it's magic as my truck seemed more consistent around the corners and squaring up to the jumps. Thru qualifying my average time was close to a second faster than with the gear diff. Overall I'm definitely pleased! I'm running a 4* toe block, thinking of going to a 3* or 3.5* block since I'm not having any forward traction issues and hoping it'd improve my corner speed even more. I have only run a ball diff so I cannot provide any feedback on the gear diff. Will the ball diff handle an 8.5t motor? |
It should.
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Whats the gearing for a 17.5???:confused: I am trying to figure out how the truck just dies off at 4.5mins and looses all punch and speed. Running GTB and 17.5SS with a TP 5000mah 40C battery. All of which have had 2 years of full racing on them, the truck is awesome but I am getting my rear handed to me by the guys running timing advancement and 65C batteries...
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Originally Posted by JPMSRacing
(Post 8692447)
Whats the gearing for a 17.5???:confused: I am trying to figure out how the truck just dies off at 4.5mins and looses all punch and speed. Running GTB and 17.5SS with a TP 5000mah 40C battery. All of which have had 2 years of full racing on them, the truck is awesome but I am getting my rear handed to me by the guys running timing advancement and 65C batteries...
75/28. At that it comes off around 140-145 deg. If your drop off is real bad your 2 year old motor and batt. might be suspect. |
Hey guys, how's it going?
I am having a problem with the rear end being too loose. I am running the outer hold on the hub and the inner hold on the tower for the rear camber link. I have ran 3-4 degrees rear toe with -2 camber. I have the diff and slipper pretty tight. I am looking for some changes to the truck that will help out. The rear end wants to come around on power and once it starts there is no stopping it. I have tried moving the battery all the way back. I have went with a lighter oil in the rear shocks. I am running 35/30 oil with red/ gray springs. in the stock locations with stock pistons. I am running the Tekin RS Pro/ 17.5 redline combo boosted with 28/75 gearing. Thanks for the help. |
Try going to the green rear springs. Leave everything else alone.
Originally Posted by Sprikler
(Post 8692946)
The rear end wants to come around on power and once it starts there is no stopping it.
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Originally Posted by Sprikler
(Post 8692946)
Hey guys, how's it going?
I am having a problem with the rear end being too loose. I am running the outer hold on the hub and the inner hold on the tower for the rear camber link. I have ran 3-4 degrees rear toe with -2 camber. I have the diff and slipper pretty tight. I am looking for some changes to the truck that will help out. The rear end wants to come around on power and once it starts there is no stopping it. I have tried moving the battery all the way back. I have went with a lighter oil in the rear shocks. I am running 35/30 oil with red/ gray springs. in the stock locations with stock pistons. I am running the Tekin RS Pro/ 17.5 redline combo boosted with 28/75 gearing. Thanks for the help. Without knowing your track composition i can tell ya what works for me. Rear Springs: Green Oil: 35wt 4.0 degree in rear end -1.0 to -2.0 camber #2 piston Front Springs: Gold Oil: 35wt 0 camber #2 piston Slipper: 180 degree from tight Ball diff: 90 degree from tight Batt location all the way back leaving room for the additional weight. 3oz of weight behind the batt. 1/2 of weight next to the receiver I'm running the Castle SCT Combo with 20% drag brake Track conditions: Med to low traction Clay, with smooth to dusty conditions. It's a bit of a deviation of the Ryan Maifield setup on 07/18/2010. |
I had the same problem. I would run the slipper a little loose so it slips some.
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Originally Posted by Sprikler
(Post 8692946)
Hey guys, how's it going?
I am having a problem with the rear end being too loose. I am running the outer hold on the hub and the inner hold on the tower for the rear camber link. I have ran 3-4 degrees rear toe with -2 camber. I have the diff and slipper pretty tight. I am looking for some changes to the truck that will help out. The rear end wants to come around on power and once it starts there is no stopping it. I have tried moving the battery all the way back. I have went with a lighter oil in the rear shocks. I am running 35/30 oil with red/ gray springs. in the stock locations with stock pistons. I am running the Tekin RS Pro/ 17.5 redline combo boosted with 28/75 gearing. Thanks for the help. 1) Tires: What tires are you using on what track surface? I am using Green Barcodes on a medium traction track that is loose at times. 2) Shock positions. The rear shocks should be laid down so far inside on the top for sure to improve side bit. I have mine on the inside on the bottom. I just drilled another hole in the tower to move the top inside even more. This helped me. Oh. switch to the green springs for sure. Front shocks should be on the center hole on top and outside on the arm. 3) Weights. If you have not added weight it is time. Even for the Stock 17.5 class adding 3 oz. of weigh in front of the shock tower will help both rear traction and stability. I have my battery mostly to the rear with about an inch of foam block between the battery and the shock tower above my weights. Good luck |
Originally Posted by ShortCourseOnly
(Post 8693497)
You are running almost the same set-up that I am. There are a few factors that we need to understand more. They are:
1) Tires: What tires are you using on what track surface? I am using Green Barcodes on a medium traction track that is loose at times. 2) Shock positions. The rear shocks should be laid down so far inside on the top for sure to improve side bit. I have mine on the inside on the bottom. I just drilled another hole in the tower to move the top inside even more. This helped me. Oh. switch to the green springs for sure. Front shocks should be on the center hole on top and outside on the arm. 3) Weights. If you have not added weight it is time. Even for the Stock 17.5 class adding 3 oz. of weigh in front of the shock tower will help both rear traction and stability. I have my battery mostly to the rear with about an inch of foam block between the battery and the shock tower above my weights. Good luck Outdoors I am running Green Subcultures, Green DD's, Green Goosebumps and I use Green bar codes sanded down to slicks for indoor. I am running on outdoor orange clay hard packed tracks with loose to medium traction. I run indoor as well but I am more interested in tightening the truck up outdoor which is where it is a real problem. I do not have any weight in the truck yet. So I need 3 oz in front and rear? |
Originally Posted by Sprikler
(Post 8693571)
I do not have any weight in the truck yet. So I need 3 oz in front and rear?
Again, my battery is |
Originally Posted by Sprikler
(Post 8692946)
Hey guys, how's it going?
I am having a problem with the rear end being too loose. I am running the outer hold on the hub and the inner hold on the tower for the rear camber link. I have ran 3-4 degrees rear toe with -2 camber. I have the diff and slipper pretty tight. I am looking for some changes to the truck that will help out. The rear end wants to come around on power and once it starts there is no stopping it. I have tried moving the battery all the way back. I have went with a lighter oil in the rear shocks. I am running 35/30 oil with red/ gray springs. in the stock locations with stock pistons. I am running the Tekin RS Pro/ 17.5 redline combo boosted with 28/75 gearing. Thanks for the help. |
I agree with the ball diff setting. It really shouldn't be "Tight".
I just tried the "Fourth" hole on the rear upper shock mount and it was fantastic for improving side bite. I now need to move some weight forward for improving steering. |
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