NOVAROSSI Engine thread....
#856
im one of those, but i wanna wait till you run one, or get ur hands dirty with one, my season doesnt start for a few months so im cool in that dept,but i will def grab one of the new 4's from you, just not sure wich version yet, as you havent any exp with em yet, you tell me wich to get, and i will
#857
Tech Regular
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 265
Desoto Racing will be attending Motorama this weekend. Paul and I (Joaquin) will be around to answer any questions you might have about Novarossi engines. In addition, Adam, Phillip, Billy... other drivers will be there to answer questions about the engines. Finally, Billy Easton will be making his Novarossi debut this weekend. It should be a great event!
#858
Hi guys.
I ordered my new Novarossi P5xlt just now and I have a few questions. What do you think about that engine for buggy? I thought about Toro Nero Team but I fear that this engine will be to strong for my mugen and I will have problem with control.
Second question, what is the best metode to good brake-in p5xlt?
I found that metode in plus-4 thread but I heard it's good for all novas
next: what is mileage in buggy? with/without gas cooler?
It's all what comes to mind at the moment.
Thanks!
I ordered my new Novarossi P5xlt just now and I have a few questions. What do you think about that engine for buggy? I thought about Toro Nero Team but I fear that this engine will be to strong for my mugen and I will have problem with control.
Second question, what is the best metode to good brake-in p5xlt?
I found that metode in plus-4 thread but I heard it's good for all novas
Below is an post I found a while back and it is the way I break in my engines and it works awesome for me.
ENGINE BREAK-IN
Engine Tempering & Engine Break-in
Reprinted From S-Grid with Stephen Bess's permission
Below info is from this page: http://rbmods.net/enginetempering.php
If you are still idling at least a tank through during break-in, you're using the old-school accepted method (still works well for some!) but it's not the method that the top engine guys (Ron Paris, Dennis Richey, Rody Roem, Michael Salven are just a few I've spoken personally with about this) recommend anymore.
From the very 1st time you start your engine, plop the car on the ground & begin running it in a parking lot in 2-3 minute intervals, tuned only *slightly rich* getting the temps up in the 200F range on a normal day. Every 2-3 minutes, shut the engine down & let it cool completely with the piston at BDC (bottom dead center), and then fire it back up; continue this cycle until you've run 15 min or so, and then bump up to 3-4 minute intervals. Vary the RPM and don't be afraid to get the temps in the 200's. What you want is heat cycling of the components without the incredible stress that comes with breaking an engine in when it's overly rich & cold. After cycling the engine in this manner for about 20-25 total minutes, it'll be ready for the track and race tuning. I realize this method goes against the old-school "idle on the box" routine, but you'll be amazed once you've completed this break-in routine, your engine will still have amazing pinch w/out sticking at the top AND your engine's compression will last far longer than it will with the "old school" method.
You say you run the engine at "factory settings" for the first FIVE tanks? That alone causes lots of stress, as the factory engine settings are very rich on every engine I've ever owned or tuned. The piston & sleeve haven't expanded to operating temps, and every time the engine turns over, the piston slams into the pinch zone at TDC. The not-so-surprising result can be a cracked con-rod at the crank pin--that's where the majority of the stresses occur as the engine turns over. I've only heard of about 6-8 engines breaking con-rods, and they're ALWAYS during the first gallon...and almost every time it's because the guys have performed the break-in procedure you described. Doesn't seem like a mystery as to why it's happening. Drawing out the break-in routine really stresses the engine & actually wears away compression along the way. This method I've outlined will feel weird at every step, but after you try it once, you'll notice a big difference in your engine's performance & lifespan.
Rick Brake @ RB Mods -
"Hope this helps; give this break-in method a shot--you have nothing to gain except longer life & more power. Use a MC 59 or the hottest plug you can get and burn 30% nitro. Keep your cool and be patient, It will come in to It’s own after about a gallon of fuel."
ENGINE BREAK-IN
Engine Tempering & Engine Break-in
Reprinted From S-Grid with Stephen Bess's permission
Below info is from this page: http://rbmods.net/enginetempering.php
If you are still idling at least a tank through during break-in, you're using the old-school accepted method (still works well for some!) but it's not the method that the top engine guys (Ron Paris, Dennis Richey, Rody Roem, Michael Salven are just a few I've spoken personally with about this) recommend anymore.
From the very 1st time you start your engine, plop the car on the ground & begin running it in a parking lot in 2-3 minute intervals, tuned only *slightly rich* getting the temps up in the 200F range on a normal day. Every 2-3 minutes, shut the engine down & let it cool completely with the piston at BDC (bottom dead center), and then fire it back up; continue this cycle until you've run 15 min or so, and then bump up to 3-4 minute intervals. Vary the RPM and don't be afraid to get the temps in the 200's. What you want is heat cycling of the components without the incredible stress that comes with breaking an engine in when it's overly rich & cold. After cycling the engine in this manner for about 20-25 total minutes, it'll be ready for the track and race tuning. I realize this method goes against the old-school "idle on the box" routine, but you'll be amazed once you've completed this break-in routine, your engine will still have amazing pinch w/out sticking at the top AND your engine's compression will last far longer than it will with the "old school" method.
You say you run the engine at "factory settings" for the first FIVE tanks? That alone causes lots of stress, as the factory engine settings are very rich on every engine I've ever owned or tuned. The piston & sleeve haven't expanded to operating temps, and every time the engine turns over, the piston slams into the pinch zone at TDC. The not-so-surprising result can be a cracked con-rod at the crank pin--that's where the majority of the stresses occur as the engine turns over. I've only heard of about 6-8 engines breaking con-rods, and they're ALWAYS during the first gallon...and almost every time it's because the guys have performed the break-in procedure you described. Doesn't seem like a mystery as to why it's happening. Drawing out the break-in routine really stresses the engine & actually wears away compression along the way. This method I've outlined will feel weird at every step, but after you try it once, you'll notice a big difference in your engine's performance & lifespan.
Rick Brake @ RB Mods -
"Hope this helps; give this break-in method a shot--you have nothing to gain except longer life & more power. Use a MC 59 or the hottest plug you can get and burn 30% nitro. Keep your cool and be patient, It will come in to It’s own after about a gallon of fuel."
It's all what comes to mind at the moment.
Thanks!
#863
Hi guys.
I ordered my new Novarossi P5xlt just now and I have a few questions. What do you think about that engine for buggy? I thought about Toro Nero Team but I fear that this engine will be to strong for my mugen and I will have problem with control.
Second question, what is the best metode to good brake-in p5xlt?
I found that metode in plus-4 thread but I heard it's good for all novas
next: what is mileage in buggy? with/without gas cooler?
It's all what comes to mind at the moment.
Thanks!
I ordered my new Novarossi P5xlt just now and I have a few questions. What do you think about that engine for buggy? I thought about Toro Nero Team but I fear that this engine will be to strong for my mugen and I will have problem with control.
Second question, what is the best metode to good brake-in p5xlt?
I found that metode in plus-4 thread but I heard it's good for all novas
next: what is mileage in buggy? with/without gas cooler?
It's all what comes to mind at the moment.
Thanks!
egc unit doesnt yield/boost runtime a ton for offroad , maybe 30sec , most noticeable on hot humid days .
happy motorin',
Monty
i am always willing to work with international racers on shipping and what not
just gotta ask , not too sure about shipping to Greece though
#865
You could gear up on the p5, but only on larger tracks with flowing turns. It likes the 13 on the mugen. Perfect torque to get over tech sections...
The p5 is legendary in my book. All you really need to do is get the tune right on the bottom especially then lean the top, but it should be close to flush from "in" after break in...and when in doubt make the top flush then re tune the bottom, and making sure the idle screw is low enough to use the bottom end to fine tune the idle....then go back to the top end and lean it only until it goes full speed. You don't want the top too lean or the bottom ends up fat...then you raise the idle, and it's all messed up.... the point is, they need plenty of fuel on the top end, it's going fast......
Our track is on the river fairly close to the beach, and in the mains it's usually humid, really humid, and the water replaces some air in the engine, and so it fattens up, especially on the bottom end, that needle needs fine adjustments, and you don't know until the race is going, and it sucks, so my point is make a plan for the conditions. Ok it's hot, or cold or dry or humid, low altitude, or high...or any combination... For example, if it's cold outside the engine will need more fuel to equal the dense air. It really helps to start the car well before the race and get it good and warm, and check the bottom end....
I can honestly say that the p5 is the best engine I've raced, tuned, whatever. It never lets me down...
and I'd be nuts to not mention the Houston tuned P5....It's perfect.....
The p5 is legendary in my book. All you really need to do is get the tune right on the bottom especially then lean the top, but it should be close to flush from "in" after break in...and when in doubt make the top flush then re tune the bottom, and making sure the idle screw is low enough to use the bottom end to fine tune the idle....then go back to the top end and lean it only until it goes full speed. You don't want the top too lean or the bottom ends up fat...then you raise the idle, and it's all messed up.... the point is, they need plenty of fuel on the top end, it's going fast......
Our track is on the river fairly close to the beach, and in the mains it's usually humid, really humid, and the water replaces some air in the engine, and so it fattens up, especially on the bottom end, that needle needs fine adjustments, and you don't know until the race is going, and it sucks, so my point is make a plan for the conditions. Ok it's hot, or cold or dry or humid, low altitude, or high...or any combination... For example, if it's cold outside the engine will need more fuel to equal the dense air. It really helps to start the car well before the race and get it good and warm, and check the bottom end....
I can honestly say that the p5 is the best engine I've raced, tuned, whatever. It never lets me down...
and I'd be nuts to not mention the Houston tuned P5....It's perfect.....
Last edited by merdith6; 02-19-2011 at 11:52 PM.
#868
never had that happen before
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