Got a gallon thru my Argus and All I can say is what a great engine! It tunes so easy, I ran it on sunday , and tuesday when I ran it I didnt even have to touch the needles and it was perfect! Leaned it out now thats its fully broke in and Has so much power! My buddy has a PLus 4 and I pulled him off the line and down the straight every time So far very impressed! I am going to get the 0801 pipe from Rcrenew next week , Cant wait should be even better!

James

What pipe are you currently running? Just curious.

I am using a 2013 pipe right now.

James

Well, we sent a couple of the Argus engines to a engine modder we have used in the past. Just wanted to get another opinion of the quality of the Argus.

Here is what he said:

The crankshaft looks extremely similar to the RB C5,C6 and B10. The rod also looks very similar to RB.

As far as piston/sleeve, he was very pleased with the quality look of the ports, Look like the quality of some of the hi-end engines.

Just figured I would post and let you know. I know Rex at RW is also looking at some mods as well. Hope to see what he thinks too.

Everyone so far is getting great mileage with these engines, but we are looking at a few things to squeeze out some more. I will keep everyone informed as we will start testing the modded versions next week.

Jonathan Jenkins

That is great to here, I have had the same experience with the plus 4 and a few other brands. Someone earlier on the thread said they are going to do a dyno test. Would love to see the results, but regardless of what the dyno says, I look at it as "the proof is in the pudding" so to speak. We we have tested the Argus against lots of other brands in same vechiles with same gearing and the outcome ends up just as you described.

Great to hear you are having great success with your engine.

I am almost done modding the Argus, should have some pics early next week. I am modding one of the new 7 port Alpha's right now too.

Rex

The dyno does not lie...it can't be fooled or tricked, it is not biased by brand.... Unfortunately we as people can be fooled and be very biased..most people see what they want to see........... I read these forums every day..and judging by people's posts every engine is the fastest on the track, every engine pulls everything else down the straights, every engine beats every other engine...well at least according to peoples reviews...... Yet 99% of these people posting are still running stock shimming and a ultra hot plug....... The fact that gets me is pretty much no engine runs strong or makes anywhere near great power on stock shimming and a ultra hot plug...these engines don't even start to run till the shims come out and a cooler plug installed..........Which leads me to believe people are very unreliable tools for measuring an engines power and performance.......The dyno is the only way to measure what an engine is actually doing.........Not drag racing someone down the straight who ddin't even realize you were drag racing him ( 99% of forum stories are based on this)....In most cases there is only 1 party aware of the drag race down the straight and no guarantee both parties are even full throttle............ In the end no stock engine is fast, I have dynoed plenty of them,

With that being said. Have you run it on the Dyno yet? i know you are not going to post the results for its not your mill, but were you pleased with the power of the mill?

Have you ran this motor yet? The reason I am asking this is that everyone that has not run a motor is normally the ones telling the ones that do how there motors are made, perform, last, etc. I agree 100% that stock shimming, hot plug, stock crank, etc, does not make as much power and do not think that anyone would doubt this. That is why I have only compared STOCK to STOCK engines. I also would not compare my Duramax that makes over 550HP to a stock Duramax. However, I have been outrun by trucks that actually make less power on the Dyno. LOL

As far as drag racing someone down the straight. When the two line up and say GO!....hard for me to believe that the other man did not know we were racing LOL. As far as in a race, I agree with you, the other man might be half throttle, getting on throttle later, or getting off sooner.

The motors that I have raced were my own motors, which were placed on identicle buggies with identicle gearing and fuel (both tuned for optimum performance by me). JMO, but I think this is pretty comparable.

I would only hope that if you are using a dyno to compare the Argus to the Werks, you are going to have a box stock Werks as well as a box stock Argus. As you said, a stock motor will not perform with one with mods. I am sure that you are going to test this against the Werks, since in your opinion, is the fastest motor out.

i totally agree.. the average racer does not want to mess with deck height... he takes an engine out the box... start it and run it.. that how he knows...

Heres the best way to look at motors. The fastest motor out on the track usally dosnt win, Unless the best driver on the track is driving it. To me being a rookie driver,it is as fast a motor as I need. To a expert or pro driver they may want a little more, but are good enough drivers that they can go out and win with it on any given day. Alls a dyno does is show Tq. and Hp not how good the driver is driving it.........

Man you need to relax here...your being extremely over sensitive and totally missing my point..........First you act like I am bashing the Argus engine, which I am not in any way shape or form... Then you seem to take what I am saying as if it is referring directly to you and your story from the track.....which of course I am not.....

All my post was saying is that fact that we can go to every engine thread for every brand..GO,Nova,Werk's,OD, Reedy,STS,jammin,Picco,Techno,RB etc...and we will find the exact same story... "My engine is the fastest on the track, I blew by everyone on the straights and nothing could touch me".......This same story repeats itself on every single engine thread on this forum... If we did a little search we could easily find 50 of this exact same story littered in every engine brands thread........... So I ask, how can all these engines be the fastest on the track when they are all running against each other ? who do we believe when the owners each tell us the same story ? Which engine is really the fastest ? How is it even possible that everyone has the single fastest engine ?........ All these stories confirm what I said in that people are not good measuring sticks for an engines performance....... people are easily tricked into seeing what they want to see....Which is why I think the dyno is the best and only way to know how much performance an engine has.....

I was only responding to a post made about someone saying the "the proof is in the puddin, a dyno is not needed" well if thats the case then every brand of engine is faster then all the others, and we have 30 brands of engines all being hyped as being the fastest on the dirt.......

Now how this turned into Werk's vs Argus, or how I am all of a sudden bashing Argus IDK.......

Now if you doubt the effectiveness of a dyno, then take your bone stock full shimmed Argus and put it against my dyno tuned full mod B5 and see what happens.....Yes the dyno says the mod Werk's makes piles more power and RPM then a stock Argus, and I promise you on the ground it will show exactly that.....

In final, I am not knocking the Argus, nor am I saying Werk's is faster...I am only stating my reason why a dyno result is a good measuring stick compared to a person looking to find praise for his new engine choice...The dyno is not biased or opinionated unlike people.......

all this talk about a dyno.. i really wish someone would make a dyno that allows you to setup your engine in a car and then take your readings at the wheel... that would be best bet... until then guys... lets keep on track with the thread topic... dyno results mean nothing to me... but that's just me...

i read for info and read all threads and run all engines that i can afford of course.. lol... so lets keep motoring and keep on topic...

it has been my experience that no race engine is faster than any other on the track... it all depends on what you feel comfortable driving....

why does almost all engine threads end up like this???... whats the common factor here???... lets find it fix it or get rid of it and be happy

There is a big difference between Raw HP and usable HP.

Port Timing has a lot to do with this and like Jonothan said the prof is in the puttin. I run the "Argus" box stock in my truggy. i love the way the power comes on and there is plenty of it. the engine is fast with all of the grunt i want, right where i want it. My old truggy motor, a highly modded "Vspec" (witch i am sure would put up Dyno numbers with any motor out there) is sitting in a draw in my trailer.

the "Argus" A52 is my choice for this truggy season

I can totally relate to what your saying in that engine suits your needs exactly the way it is........However I was asked to dyno one of these engines...I have agreed to do it...... But all I am seeing now is a bunch of flack for offering my services.....It seems everyone is already assuming the engine will read low or something....myself IDK, it hasn't been tested and I have no idea what numbers it will produce... But from my experience so far pretty much all stock engines make about the same amount of power and RPM....For the most part they are all very competitive with each other..Whoever has the best tune and setup will have the faster engine of the day, as well these engines power tends to fade over time..And a nearly worn out engine will not make as much power as a freshly broken in engine.........So when comparing at the track there are soo many variables involved that its nearly impossible to tell which engine really does offer the most performance........

As for modded engines, not all modified are the same...just because an engine is modified definitely does not ensure it will put out big power numbers on a dyno...quite the contrary actually.....Many times amateur modified engines make less power then stock, or may make more peak power but have a terrible curve..The only way to ensure high dyno numbers is to actually tune the engine using a dyno..there are only 4 engine modders in North America who own a dyno that I know of.....

My dyno procedure is as follows... I hand lap the piston to a exact tolerance... I do a short breakin... I test the engine on a base setup..stock shims, recommended plug and pipe...I then start tweaking the engine...changing shims, changing pipes and changing plug.... I spend hours on the stock engine finding its absolute best setup possible.... I do this for every engine I test.........Not all these engines come from factory shimmed the same, even 2 engines of the same brand/model can have as much as .020"difference in head clearance... So be sure I get the full story of the engine in stock form I test many different combination's....Some engines respond really well to removing a shim, others do not...some come from factory shimmed ideal, some do not.......When I compare 2 engines I am adamant about equalizing all the different variables...from mechanical pinch to ideal operating compression .... And in the end after all that testing I have concluded that pretty much all stock engines are about the same....

Once again, I am not the enemy here..I was asked to dyno one of these engines, and I thought it would be neat to see.....But unfortunately by the looks of things nobody here is interested nor wants me to actually test the engine.....So I think I am going to have to back out of this whole scenario graciously ! I never came here looking to argue and its unfortunate some people here have to come out 2 guns blazing before they even took the time to understand the point I was trying to make....