SC10 4x4 Thread
Well...
I have seen a lot of "factory" drivers say "my car wanders, I'm putting toe out into it" and it work. It makes the car track straight because it induces scrub, and the extra toe out makes the car tun in a little crisper. It also can induce a mid corner push because of the ackerman it induces.
Because of the servo's self centering function, toe in (which in a "street" car causes the car to go straight by the same sort of tire scrub) seems like it makes the car have hyper steering center off.
On an unrelated note, after running sedans indoor on carpet for a week, I now realize what a pile of shit 4wd short course is to drive by comparison.
I have seen a lot of "factory" drivers say "my car wanders, I'm putting toe out into it" and it work. It makes the car track straight because it induces scrub, and the extra toe out makes the car tun in a little crisper. It also can induce a mid corner push because of the ackerman it induces.
Because of the servo's self centering function, toe in (which in a "street" car causes the car to go straight by the same sort of tire scrub) seems like it makes the car have hyper steering center off.
On an unrelated note, after running sedans indoor on carpet for a week, I now realize what a pile of shit 4wd short course is to drive by comparison.
Driving onroad teaches you how to tune and really takes a fine touch to go fast. When I raced on & offroad years ago, if I raced onroad on a Saturday and offroad on Sunday.. I killed it on Sunday.
BTW, all toe induces scrub.
It's not for the brave of heart, but I had a wonderful time at the IIC and am really glad I did it.
I used to run carpet TC and offroad. Onroad actually messed me up for off road. On road cars are planted, and can be pushed pretty hard. Offroad I would start to over drive my car and lose time. But I miss onroad, I dont think anyone does it here. TC used to be huge, I guess it died.
I'd love to get into on-road, but there's not much of a scene here. I think it'd make me a better driver, as I would have to focus on being smooth while driving at or close to the limit.
I got to watch Hartson run this past weekend, and his truck looked really good (as it should of course). It looked nose-heavy, and the back did rotate coming into the sweeper, but it was VERY controlled. With some quality time, this truck is very competetive. Granted a Losi took the win, but Olson (Losi/MIP) was on a whole different level.
I got to watch Hartson run this past weekend, and his truck looked really good (as it should of course). It looked nose-heavy, and the back did rotate coming into the sweeper, but it was VERY controlled. With some quality time, this truck is very competetive. Granted a Losi took the win, but Olson (Losi/MIP) was on a whole different level.
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Well...
I have seen a lot of "factory" drivers say "my car wanders, I'm putting toe out into it" and it work. It makes the car track straight because it induces scrub, and the extra toe out makes the car tun in a little crisper. It also can induce a mid corner push because of the ackerman it induces.
Because of the servo's self centering function, toe in (which in a "street" car causes the car to go straight by the same sort of tire scrub) seems like it makes the car have hyper steering center off.
On an unrelated note, after running sedans indoor on carpet for a week, I now realize what a pile of shit 4wd short course is to drive by comparison.
I have seen a lot of "factory" drivers say "my car wanders, I'm putting toe out into it" and it work. It makes the car track straight because it induces scrub, and the extra toe out makes the car tun in a little crisper. It also can induce a mid corner push because of the ackerman it induces.
Because of the servo's self centering function, toe in (which in a "street" car causes the car to go straight by the same sort of tire scrub) seems like it makes the car have hyper steering center off.
On an unrelated note, after running sedans indoor on carpet for a week, I now realize what a pile of shit 4wd short course is to drive by comparison.
Sedans are on a whole different level. Used to run sedan heavily in CT in the early 2000s. Back when the whole 19T class was a big deal and xray had just come out with there first vehicle.
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Ok, not sure what to do here, but my SC10 4x4 is just plain slow, really slow, as in slowest short course on the track at the Southern Nats.......by a long shot.....Here is my setep:
- Exotek aluminum mid-chassis to reduce flex
- Exotek aluminum front diff lock replacing inner slipper pad
- Front slipper/clicker lock (CA'd together)
- FT slipper basket
- Tekin Pro4 4600 4pole with Castle MMP with no timing
I run between 11t - 13t pinion depening on track size. Temps normally around 160-165 after 8min. Nol distinguishable noise, grinding, etc. I took the belt off and both front and rear wheels seem to spin pretty free. Belt on, not so free (Pinion removed).
Not sure what to do now....I am told I jave to much motor, yet have the slowest truck on the track. Stumped and not sure what to do now......
- Exotek aluminum mid-chassis to reduce flex
- Exotek aluminum front diff lock replacing inner slipper pad
- Front slipper/clicker lock (CA'd together)
- FT slipper basket
- Tekin Pro4 4600 4pole with Castle MMP with no timing
I run between 11t - 13t pinion depening on track size. Temps normally around 160-165 after 8min. Nol distinguishable noise, grinding, etc. I took the belt off and both front and rear wheels seem to spin pretty free. Belt on, not so free (Pinion removed).
Not sure what to do now....I am told I jave to much motor, yet have the slowest truck on the track. Stumped and not sure what to do now......
where are you slow on the track?
Going down the straight, where are you topping out?
People have reported on this thread they get more power when switching from the MMP to say the Tekin RX8. Me personally plenty of power with the Speed Passion GT2.0 Pro.
Going down the straight, where are you topping out?
People have reported on this thread they get more power when switching from the MMP to say the Tekin RX8. Me personally plenty of power with the Speed Passion GT2.0 Pro.
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Absolutely true. I don't think this is 100% your problem, but I was able to gear down two teeth alone with the rx8 AND no longer have any Esc timing. Insane.
Ok, not sure what to do here, but my SC10 4x4 is just plain slow, really slow, as in slowest short course on the track at the Southern Nats.......by a long shot.....Here is my setep:
- Exotek aluminum mid-chassis to reduce flex
- Exotek aluminum front diff lock replacing inner slipper pad
- Front slipper/clicker lock (CA'd together)
- FT slipper basket
- Tekin Pro4 4600 4pole with Castle MMP with no timing
I run between 11t - 13t pinion depening on track size. Temps normally around 160-165 after 8min. Nol distinguishable noise, grinding, etc. I took the belt off and both front and rear wheels seem to spin pretty free. Belt on, not so free (Pinion removed).
Not sure what to do now....I am told I jave to much motor, yet have the slowest truck on the track. Stumped and not sure what to do now......
- Exotek aluminum mid-chassis to reduce flex
- Exotek aluminum front diff lock replacing inner slipper pad
- Front slipper/clicker lock (CA'd together)
- FT slipper basket
- Tekin Pro4 4600 4pole with Castle MMP with no timing
I run between 11t - 13t pinion depening on track size. Temps normally around 160-165 after 8min. Nol distinguishable noise, grinding, etc. I took the belt off and both front and rear wheels seem to spin pretty free. Belt on, not so free (Pinion removed).
Not sure what to do now....I am told I jave to much motor, yet have the slowest truck on the track. Stumped and not sure what to do now......
If you are not running a fan on the motor worth, doing.
Also, I found that running very little Turbo timing at a higher RPM range gave me the top end I needed and kept temps down. The Pro4's don't like timing throughout the RPM range from what I have seen, but can benefit with timing at the top, like 5 degrees.



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