SC10 4x4 Thread
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I'm at the point where I have my truck as good as I can get it, unfortunately I run a 1/8 track that is wide 12 foot wide lanes and is almost all straights. I can own any losi on the corners but any straight the car is so unstable at high speeds I can not go flat out like the losi. Don't get me wrong I love this truck but wish I lived closer to a tight indoor track or even a tighter outdoor where this car shines. Not giving up its just poor me vs 18-20 losi it will be nice to beat them someday.
I'm at the point where I have my truck as good as I can get it, unfortunately I run a 1/8 track that is wide 12 foot wide lanes and is almost all straights. I can own any losi on the corners but any straight the car is so unstable at high speeds I can not go flat out like the losi. Don't get me wrong I love this truck but wish I lived closer to a tight indoor track or even a tighter outdoor where this car shines. Not giving up its just poor me vs 18-20 losi it will be nice to beat them someday.
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http://imgur.com/a/7MQ16#10
//EDIT: 0.1mm under the outdrive seems to be a bit better, because it reduces the axial play.
Last edited by Cody227; 10-08-2012 at 05:35 AM.
Wow still lots of negativity on this truck. The truck performs really well up here. Anyway my question is the new FLOW esc from LRP, do you think it will be strong enough to run this truck? I'm selling my RX8 (awesome esc BTW) because I need a esc that is good with a TC for indoor season and 4WD SC for outdoor season. Any comments would be appreciated
I'm at the point where I have my truck as good as I can get it, unfortunately I run a 1/8 track that is wide 12 foot wide lanes and is almost all straights. I can own any losi on the corners but any straight the car is so unstable at high speeds I can not go flat out like the losi. Don't get me wrong I love this truck but wish I lived closer to a tight indoor track or even a tighter outdoor where this car shines. Not giving up its just poor me vs 18-20 losi it will be nice to beat them someday.
Wow still lots of negativity on this truck. The truck performs really well up here. Anyway my question is the new FLOW esc from LRP, do you think it will be strong enough to run this truck? I'm selling my RX8 (awesome esc BTW) because I need a esc that is good with a TC for indoor season and 4WD SC for outdoor season. Any comments would be appreciated 

I'm at the point where I have my truck as good as I can get it, unfortunately I run a 1/8 track that is wide 12 foot wide lanes and is almost all straights. I can own any losi on the corners but any straight the car is so unstable at high speeds I can not go flat out like the losi. Don't get me wrong I love this truck but wish I lived closer to a tight indoor track or even a tighter outdoor where this car shines. Not giving up its just poor me vs 18-20 losi it will be nice to beat them someday.
Long list I guess, others will add to it...
Did you limit the shocks up travel with 4mm to 5mm of supplied shaft clips? If not, the cva is contacting the outdrive and flexing the sun gear shim allowing too loose of a gear mesh... slipping or "clicking" diff gears. Probably need to replace rear gear set. Fresh rear gear set will take one stock (0.2mm) shim up to two. Front worn gear set may want two or even the 0.5mm that AE will mail to you.
Front & rear belt adjustment tight enough? Tightened after break in?
What are your diff oil weights? Sounds like you need to go thicker in the front or lighter in the rear or both.
Cain's review of adding more rear toe in, may be what your looking for...
http://www.rcshortcourse.com/forum/t...e-setting.html
What tires are you running?
There was a question about what to get to improve the truck a few pages back, some good comments there.
You will spend money on this truck to make it keep up with the Losi and your friend will spend money on his Losi to make the drivetrain and a few weak spots on the truck as durable as the AE.
Try starting with a AE pro setup sheet from their site that matches your track and tune to your preference from there.
http://www.teamassociated.com/setupsheets/SC10_4x4/
Did you limit the shocks up travel with 4mm to 5mm of supplied shaft clips? If not, the cva is contacting the outdrive and flexing the sun gear shim allowing too loose of a gear mesh... slipping or "clicking" diff gears. Probably need to replace rear gear set. Fresh rear gear set will take one stock (0.2mm) shim up to two. Front worn gear set may want two or even the 0.5mm that AE will mail to you.
Front & rear belt adjustment tight enough? Tightened after break in?
What are your diff oil weights? Sounds like you need to go thicker in the front or lighter in the rear or both.
Cain's review of adding more rear toe in, may be what your looking for...
http://www.rcshortcourse.com/forum/t...e-setting.html
What tires are you running?
There was a question about what to get to improve the truck a few pages back, some good comments there.
You will spend money on this truck to make it keep up with the Losi and your friend will spend money on his Losi to make the drivetrain and a few weak spots on the truck as durable as the AE.
Try starting with a AE pro setup sheet from their site that matches your track and tune to your preference from there.
http://www.teamassociated.com/setupsheets/SC10_4x4/
Will open up the gear boxes and add shims if needed. Not sure how to determine the best "shimmage" (probably not a word
)Oil is stock; 30K front and 5K rear.
Tires AKA cityblock Hazard +3mm
Thanks for the link. Looks like something I will try. The M2C blocks as well as the center diff.
You will get ALOT of advice on here about getting this and that, IMO it would be better to just change trucks before you spend any cash on it, after you buy all the stuff to make this truck fast for a whole race, your mate will still own you. After all the reading you did, I'm surprised you went with this truck for the track you race at.

Besides, like I mentioned I have a B4.1 a B44.1 and a 2wd SC10 and like em all.... Also, from what I read this truck would suit my style and track better. But that I now doubt

http://www.teamassociated.com/pdf/ca...field_ROAR.pdf
Copy this.
- If you don't have the coupled parts, run the VTS standard with 20/20 pulleys.
- If you don't have those expensive weights, make them.
- If you're a running 540 can, don't worry about the 60grams under the slipper for now.
- You don't have to run emulsion, I run bladders and it felt better for 'my track'.
- Don't ask about the mentioned "steel diff inserts". They haven't been released.
You will see potential with this setup, but unfortunately if you stay with us, you're not in for "box stock" amazing by 'any' means. (Ignore Wild Choke, the car has major issues we have to "try" and tune out of it)
Losi has always been a forgiving car chassis. AE has never really been so much.
Copy this.
- If you don't have the coupled parts, run the VTS standard with 20/20 pulleys.
- If you don't have those expensive weights, make them.
- If you're a running 540 can, don't worry about the 60grams under the slipper for now.
- You don't have to run emulsion, I run bladders and it felt better for 'my track'.
- Don't ask about the mentioned "steel diff inserts". They haven't been released.
You will see potential with this setup, but unfortunately if you stay with us, you're not in for "box stock" amazing by 'any' means. (Ignore Wild Choke, the car has major issues we have to "try" and tune out of it)
Losi has always been a forgiving car chassis. AE has never really been so much.
Have the 20/20 pulleys and the bladder style shocks.
Your last comment is the one that keeps me awake
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I assembled it like you said and it has as much wobble as before:
http://imgur.com/a/7MQ16#10
//EDIT: 0.1mm under the outdrive seems to be a bit better, because it reduces the axial play.
http://imgur.com/a/7MQ16#10
//EDIT: 0.1mm under the outdrive seems to be a bit better, because it reduces the axial play.
All the slop is not really eliminated , most is it though..
If the gears have a lot of wear & tear ?
Maybe why you still have issues with slop ...
I'm at the point where I have my truck as good as I can get it, unfortunately I run a 1/8 track that is wide 12 foot wide lanes and is almost all straights. I can own any losi on the corners but any straight the car is so unstable at high speeds I can not go flat out like the losi. Don't get me wrong I love this truck but wish I lived closer to a tight indoor track or even a tighter outdoor where this car shines. Not giving up its just poor me vs 18-20 losi it will be nice to beat them someday.
the straights ...
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So the slop which the outer ball-bearing has is normal? Wow, it's quite much i think :0 Maybe the oil comes THROUGH the inner ball-bearing because it has no sealing? I'll try to change them to the ones in the idler-gear, it doesnt need them as much as the diff xD
I do have a bit of toe out on my truck also the track always has a bit of lose stuff on it so its a very low traction track I think just adding weight would help out the most to this truck for me, also help me to not be "LOSI'ED" so much.
Pointy71: Are the tires you using the hot ticket on your track?
When you say you are using 95% of the setup, is that including linkage positions from Maifields setup, the one here:
http://www.teamassociated.com/pdf/ca...field_ROAR.pdf
If so on the rear, I personally would lengthen your rear turnbuckle to at least the middle hole on the hub carrier. I actually ran it full length for the conditions out here but middle on the hub since you say you have medium traction may work for you.
I would also try 1 setting lighter on the sway bars front and rear.
Usually with newbies we would configure there vehicle with more toe-in (almost excessively so) so it would track straighter down the, well, straights.
Here is what the Hudy offroad book says about Front Toe settings:
FRONT TOE
Increasing (more toe-in) • Makes car easier to drive
Decreasing
(less toe-in, or more
toe-out)
• Decreases understeer
• Increases steering at corner entry
• Faster steering response
• Less stable under acceleration
• Makes car more diffi cult to drive
I would think as you accelerate down the straight, you would want it to be more stable which according to the manual is opposite of what you would see by adding in toe out.
When you say you are using 95% of the setup, is that including linkage positions from Maifields setup, the one here:
http://www.teamassociated.com/pdf/ca...field_ROAR.pdf
If so on the rear, I personally would lengthen your rear turnbuckle to at least the middle hole on the hub carrier. I actually ran it full length for the conditions out here but middle on the hub since you say you have medium traction may work for you.
I would also try 1 setting lighter on the sway bars front and rear.
Here is what the Hudy offroad book says about Front Toe settings:
FRONT TOE
Increasing (more toe-in) • Makes car easier to drive
Decreasing
(less toe-in, or more
toe-out)
• Decreases understeer
• Increases steering at corner entry
• Faster steering response
• Less stable under acceleration
• Makes car more diffi cult to drive
I would think as you accelerate down the straight, you would want it to be more stable which according to the manual is opposite of what you would see by adding in toe out.
bear in mind, it uses the M2C toe in blocks, RC Shox pistons, and Center Diff. The item I would think at a minimum you will want is the M2C toe in blocks as that will give you the rear traction you need in my opinion, or something else that addes more toe in to the rear than stock 3 degrees.



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