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Old 08-28-2012 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hesh
got my first runs tonight, LOVED it!!! aside from needing a gear change only other issue was chassis slap at tops of the jumps. i would assume try going heavier on shock oil? i dont have any optional springs and LHS doesnt carry any...
Are you using the plastic under body ? If so, that is always going to cause bad chassis slap. Ditch and get the AE or JCon chassis film instead.

For the standard AE v2 shocks, you shouldn't need to venture too far from 35 front / 30 rear.

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Old 08-28-2012 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by David Joor
Hype is something that is promoted by everyone with that companies name in their signature and no one else pushing it. Function is promoted by people that have nothing to do with the company (but sometimes still have the company in their signature, we list all our team on the website so a consumer that wants to know if a review is legit and unbiased). Also you will not see top level pros running hyped products. They either work or they don't. I totally hear you on your thoughts, it is very tough to sift through our internet world these days to find out who is on the pay roll and who isn't. These are the times we live in.

On another note, we have the instructions for the B44.1 Triad Slipper up on the site now since they are not included in the kit.

Avid B44.1 Triad Slipper Clutch Instructions
Thanks for the link. I plan to try one out. I especially like the warning label...LOL

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Old 08-28-2012 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MOmo
Yea, I wasn't sure about the JCO spur. It's so funny how certain parts are worth the upgrade and others aren't. With everyone Gaga over the avid rack for the B4 and hearing JCO has one coming out, I'm never sure how much of the upgrade suggestions are hype or function.

Going thru my spares, I found a couple parts from my bj4 worlds and wondered if I should run the carbon steering rack over the plastic stock one? For high traction tracks esp, but also given the currenti setups, does anyone see a reason to get any other rear hubs for the 44.1 other than 0? I considered getting the 1 degree but wasn't sure how it would compare.

Kinda dumb, but on the arms there are 1 and 2 molded in but no explanation of what they mean, guessing R vs L. Book didn't really clarify. So far a fun build. Its been awhile since I have built an entire kit.


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I have been running the 44 for several years. I have built at least 5 44.1's or more. What I like the most is its ready to "race" it really needs no upgrade. But I would say if you want to do something worth the money is to purchase the 12mm hex's on the rear. I like the set up I run but if I need some push on power I keep some .05 rear hubs on hand. I definitely want to try the new avid slipper. I think it would be worth the money. The 44.1 slipper wont handle anything faster than 6.5 with out replacing it often. I have tried the upgraded thick pads and they wont last either. They were worse for some reason. Now it could be the material? The old yellow pads lasted longer.
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Old 08-28-2012 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by David Joor
I totally hear you on your thoughts, it is very tough to sift through our internet world these days to find out who is on the pay roll and who isn't. These are the times we live in.

On another note, we have the instructions for the B44.1 Triad Slipper up on the site now since they are not included in the kit.

Avid B44.1 Triad Slipper Clutch Instructions
I appreciate your input. By no means was I insulting Avid, other companies do the same kind of thing, so avid isn't alone.

I have talked to several racers who use it and it seems like a phenomenal upgrade. I still haven't pulled the trigger, but I hear much more pros than cons.

As for the triad slipper, I will wait on more feedback before I make a decision. Ive never been a bandwagon type, so I'll await some reviews before I make a decision.


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Yea, I've liked that about AE cars, just put it on the track and race it. It's the "Ron Popeil" Of rc set it and forget it. I stick with AE cause it just works!




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Old 08-28-2012 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by UN4RACING
Thanks for the link. I plan to try one out. I especially like the warning label...LOL
Thank you, when that warning label dawned on me I got so excited, it was like sitting in a math exam just looking at a problem and then bam the answer hits you in the face. It will be part of our branding for a long time I feel.
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Old 08-29-2012 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rigor
Are you using the plastic under body ? If so, that is always going to cause bad chassis slap..
Sorry for being dumb, maybe... can you elaborate?

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Old 08-29-2012 | 07:34 AM
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I'm guessing that he means if you're running the stock lexan chassis protector it's going to be loud and make your chassis slap seem worse (noise) than it really is.
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Old 08-29-2012 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by racer1812
I'm guessing that he means if you're running the stock lexan chassis protector it's going to be loud and make your chassis slap seem worse (noise) than it really is.

ha - no influence on peformance... just noise then. thanks.

was that was the original question was about, really???
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Old 08-29-2012 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Lonestar
ha - no influence on peformance... just noise then. thanks.

was that was the original question was about, really???
original question, no that was referring to actual chassis slap and not the noisy under tray. Which if you for some reason leave out the center mounting screws makes it sound like the car is gonna break in half
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Old 08-29-2012 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by racer1812
original question, no that was referring to actual chassis slap and not the noisy under tray.
that's what I thought... so the answer above was completely off-base and hence delivered in a very peremptory manner still. The internet in 2012 just kills me...

hard to diagnose your issue from behind a keyboard but yes, try stiffer oil first and then pistons #2 or even #3. That of course assumes your shock has enough oil in it to start with and that the rear suspension isn't binding

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Old 08-29-2012 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by UN4RACING
The 44.1 slipper wont handle anything faster than 6.5 with out replacing it often. I have tried the upgraded thick pads and they wont last either. They were worse for some reason. Now it could be the material? The old yellow pads lasted longer.
In your experience how many runs would you estimate before the pads need replacing ? Can they be scraped or sanded and freshened up ? I run a 6.5, and I'm starting to wonder if it's time to replace my slipper pad. Seems like it's really hard to get it set 'just right' as of late. Been quite some time since I replaced the pads to be honest

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Old 08-29-2012 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rigor
In your experience how many runs would you estimate before the pads need replacing ? Can they be scraped or sanded and freshened up ? I run a 6.5, and I'm starting to wonder if it's time to replace my slipper pad. Seems like it's really hard to get it set 'just right' as of late. Been quite some time since I replaced the pads to be honest

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Use 800 grit on the pad and disc in figure 8 motion. I rough up the disc when I build the kit. I flip the pad when it feels weak and then pitch them after using both sides.
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Old 08-29-2012 | 12:50 PM
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So, am I alone in running my slipper as loose as possible on this car? It is the only way to avoid destroying diffs all the time.

I run vented hubs and high-torque pads, then only crank it down about a half a revolution from where the pads are loose. Seems like it's better to have it scream than bark or grind...
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Old 08-29-2012 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by EricJ
So, am I alone in running my slipper as loose as possible on this car? It is the only way to avoid destroying diffs all the time.

I run vented hubs and high-torque pads, then only crank it down about a half a revolution from where the pads are loose. Seems like it's better to have it scream than bark or grind...
mmh

some people have lots of diff problems, while others have rock solid ones... I would do a full rebuild if I were you... I've run mine with a normal-to-stiff slipper setup and the diffs would hold fine. a diff that's slipping uncontrollably is typically a diff that's got graphite lube on the main balls...
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Old 08-29-2012 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MOmo
So I stated building my new 44.1.

I by-passed the Diffs till I get ceramic bearings. I also had a couple of other questions.
Oddly, I might recommend the stock ones at first, depending on your history with similar cars. Diffs are the weak spot and ceramic balls will destroy them even faster if you do something wrong.

-Skip the stock Cups and go with RPM?
It was my first "upgrade" and definitely helps avoid those constant popped links. However, I found that they get sloppy faster than the stock ones, so keep that in mind and plan to replace all of them periodically (probably along with ball studs, since they also get sloppy).

-I see that the SC104x4 has a vented slipper, will this one work on the 44.1?
The SC104X4 slipper will not fit. The part you're looking for is ASC7495, which is a vented V2 slipper hub. Spur gears, slipper hubs, and slipper pads are the same as those used on the 2wd AE cars.

-And am i crazy or did I see someone offering a drilled Slipper PADs?
No clue, either way. I'm not a doctor.

Just run regular (ASC9603, included with kit) or high-torque (ASC91170) slipper pads. You could also try garolite pads, but they're pricey.
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