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racene1 07-14-2011 06:18 PM

Hey guys, trying my 10r in my ae again after learning how to solder. I also "shoe horned" the viper 5.5xl into this bad boy and I have some questions.

1st- what does gearing "up" mean?

2nd- what pinnion is recommend for this motor?

3nd- what temps should I be getting for this setup for each the motor and Esc?

Much thanks
JT

Poptartninja 07-14-2011 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by racene1 (Post 9390473)
Hey guys, trying my 10r in my ae again after learning how to solder. I also "shoe horned" the viper 5.5xl into this bad boy and I have some questions.

1st- what does gearing "up" mean?

2nd- what pinnion is recommend for this motor?

3nd- what temps should I be getting for this setup for each the motor and Esc?

Much thanks
JT

1st gearing up is going up in pinion size
2nd depending on track size, 13-15
3rd anywhere from 130 and up on esc, and 140 and up on motor.

Dont forget temps will vary greatly on tracksize and gearing, settings in the speed control, and driving style. Hope it helps.

srv 07-14-2011 07:18 PM

VTX10/10R Sensorless Mode
 

Originally Posted by Wattser93 (Post 9390054)
When my motor sensor wire popped out (it's happened once before), my Tekin RS went into sensorless mode, allowing me to finish my race. Would a Viper simply stop running on the track if a sensor wire popped out or a sensor board failed mid race?

VTX10/10R series ESC was designed to run sensored mode only. The main concept behind this decision was most fancy functions (i.e. dynamic drag brake, and boost) were based on sensor signal. If the sensor or the sensor wire was not working, those functions will not operate properly. It will lead the system malfunction and the affect the lap time and overall performance.

Therefore, we finalized the VTX10/10R ESC to be a true sensored system. It will only run sensored mode. :tire:

jdegraff57z 07-14-2011 08:14 PM

Don't crash and it won't come loose :D

Sorry, couldn't help myself ;) FWIW I haven't had any probs with the VTX / VTS combo in my SCT these last coupla' months once they were released to John Q. Public.

Breeze 07-14-2011 08:15 PM

I wired up my 10r to a 6.5 550, Got to the track to try it out and plugged it in and had a second of it running(never sat it down) than nothing. The lights on the on/off button won't go on, tried different batteries, rechecked all the wiring.

What else should I try?

nitroal 07-14-2011 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by Wattser93 (Post 9390054)
When my motor sensor wire popped out (it's happened once before), my Tekin RS went into sensorless mode, allowing me to finish my race. Would a Viper simply stop running on the track if a sensor wire popped out or a sensor board failed mid race?

i have had both the rs and a 10r. the viper system seems to lock in the sensor wire much better than the tekin. my rs seemed very loose and i made sure to tie it in a way that it couldn't come loose. the viper needs a really good pull on it to come loose.

smokinu 07-14-2011 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by Breeze (Post 9390981)
I wired up my 10r to a 6.5 550, Got to the track to try it out and plugged it in and had a second of it running(never sat it down) than nothing. The lights on the on/off button won't go on, tried different batteries, rechecked all the wiring.

What else should I try?

Send it in.
Fill out the RMA here and the crew at the shop will get it all fixed up for you.
http://viper-rc.com/contact.php

Wattser93 07-14-2011 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by jdegraff57z (Post 9390978)
Don't crash and it won't come loose :D

Sorry, couldn't help myself ;) FWIW I haven't had any probs with the VTX / VTS combo in my SCT these last coupla' months once they were released to John Q. Public.

Psh, if you're not crashing you're not trying. Checkers or wreckers. Lol.

I got smashed into the rear racing SCT with a pretty new guy in the class. Going from a brushed motor to a 3800 4 pole Castle on a 3S, yes, 3S, was too much for him to handle in a 2WD SCT (who woulda thunk?) and he blasted me in the left rear, dislodging my sensor wire. It only popped out the sensor wire thankfully, I though for sure it would take out a ball stud or something, thankfully HPI ships the ESE with titanium turnbuckles and STRC makes aluminum rear hubs, they held up like a champ.

smokinu 07-14-2011 09:10 PM

ran my 10r and 5.5 550 at the track today in my hyper 10sc.

Im running it in race stock (blinky mode)
with the SC RAGE setup
VTX10R-Profile #1, Brake strength 95%, Brake PWM freq 8000Hz, Brake curve linear, Neutral Drag brake 0%, THROTTLE PWM freq 9600Hz, Throttle punch 20%-30%, Throttle curve linear, Deadband middle, no timing - default, not motor protection, esc protection 220 degrees

Esc temps under 110 motor temps under 130.

And his whole post Quoted for refrence. BOOK MARK IT PEOPLE! for the 10r in the 4x4 trucks these are the settings to base off of!

Originally Posted by SC_RAGE (Post 9299122)
Had a great day of testing and found some helpful settings for those of you running our VTX10R ESC and planning on running our 550 motors.

VST5.5XL- 15tooth pinion. VTX10R-Profile #2, Brake strength 80%, Brake PWM freq 8000Hz, Brake curve linear, Neutral Drag brake 10%, THROTTLE PWM freq 9600Hz, Throttle punch 20%-30%, Throttle curve linear, Deadband middle, no timing - default, not motor protection, esc protection 240 degrees. (esc temp 130-150)-(motor temp 150-160)

VST4.5XL-14tooth pinion. VTX10R-Profile#2, Brake strength 80%, Brake PWM freq 8000HZ, Brake curve linear, Neutral drag brake 10%, Throttle PWM freq 9600Hz, Throttle punch 15%-20%, Throttle curve linear, Deadband middle, no timing- default, no motor protection, esc protection 240 degrees. (esc temp 120-140)-(motor temp 150-170)

Track type Indoor Clay high bite for both test results. Tests were done in 3min-5min-10min intervals. The brake settings really helped cool down some temps. We also found the under geared motors will run very hot. Be sure to check your gearing, it is very important. I felt that the VST5.5XL was the better choice for indoor racing. The powerband seemed to be a lot wider and smoother for tighter tracks. The VST4.5XL was impressive but was a bit much for the track. Lap times were more consistent with the VST5.5XL, and the temps were much easier to manage. All of our testing was done with a fairly stock Losi TEN-SCTE, A very heavy 4WD short course as most of you already know. The settings provided here were a bench mark to help those who are new to the brand and even some who are quite familiar. Give these a try and let us know how they work at your track.


jdegraff57z 07-14-2011 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by Wattser93 (Post 9391137)
Psh, if you're not crashing you're not trying. Checkers or wreckers. Lol.

I got smashed into the rear racing SCT with a pretty new guy in the class. Going from a brushed motor to a 3800 4 pole Castle on a 3S, yes, 3S, was too much for him to handle in a 2WD SCT (who woulda thunk?) and he blasted me in the left rear, dislodging my sensor wire. It only popped out the sensor wire thankfully, I though for sure it would take out a ball stud or something, thankfully HPI ships the ESE with titanium turnbuckles and STRC makes aluminum rear hubs, they held up like a champ.

LOL! Too true :) I've taken some ugly spills with the Viper gear in my truck and it's still going strong. Whereas with Castle I'm on my third MMP (once they finally have stock again that is) and I'm on my second Sidewinder/SV2 :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Anyone else familiar with "three weeks"? :P

smokinu 07-14-2011 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by jdegraff57z (Post 9391299)
LOL! Too true :) I've taken some ugly spills with the Viper gear in my truck and it's still going strong. Whereas with Castle I'm on my third MMP (once they finally have stock again that is) and I'm on my second Sidewinder/SV2 :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Anyone else familiar with "three weeks"? :P

Yup, Three weeks! good ol days. :lol:

Nitrius 07-15-2011 08:55 AM

Just came past the VTX10R and i must say it looks interesting, am wondering about maybe buying one for my DEX410R i already got a 6.5T Losi motor i hope it will work with, it should right?

jdegraff57z 07-15-2011 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by smokinu (Post 9391553)
Yup, Three weeks! good ol days. :lol:

Once the VTX8's come out and I have another sensorless option (these are still going to be dual-capable, right?) I'm so done with Castle :P

savageboy69 07-15-2011 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by Breeze (Post 9390981)
I wired up my 10r to a 6.5 550, Got to the track to try it out and plugged it in and had a second of it running(never sat it down) than nothing. The lights on the on/off button won't go on, tried different batteries, rechecked all the wiring.

What else should I try?

Are any lights coming on at all? How long are u holding the button to turn it on?? Are u using bullet plugs? Could be a bad one if so

smokinu 07-15-2011 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by jdegraff57z (Post 9393101)
Once the VTX8's come out and I have another sensorless option (these are still going to be dual-capable, right?) I'm so done with Castle :P

Ask SRV on that one, Im not sure. :nod:


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