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The sleeves are not interchangeable. Even tho they are copies.
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Originally Posted by ArgusNZ
(Post 10559885)
It's a shame if others are trying to put people off these engines. I see it as giving racers another choice in the market. Alphas are awesome engines and if i wasn't running Argus they would be in my cars. The fact that if there is a link between Alpha and Argus in whatever way is a good thing! Are they the same or just similar, are PR, JS and Go the same.....
We recently signed a top NZ driver here after he saw an Argus engine running at one of our National events. He commented that it was one of the fastest engines there and part of the reason he switched from another brand. I cannot comment on the porting differences between the motors the Argus is supposed to be a copy of as i simply do not know. I can however comment on the performance on track against alot the current motors out there and the Argus will easily match and even out perform in some cases the competition. As for cheaper bearings, the Argus A5 i have in front of me has SKF Italy printed on the front bearing. I have never had an issue with the bearings and neither have our customers. Again i can't speak for the US market but yes there was a price increase and that was unfortunate but we have managed to work around it and presently it has never been cheaper to purchase a quality race engine here in NZ. MSRP for the B52 is $210 USD and the A5 is $173 USD With the new .23 motor due here next week, and the new Argus pipes the future is looking fantastic for the Argus brand. Freedom of choice is a great thing, and if you choose Argus you won't be dissapointed;) Sorry that wasnt my point, I was not at all trying to put off people on the engines. Just tried to answer the question. I was importing the Argus with AtoZ they were good engines. I never said anything bad about them. Again, thats not a bad thing at all but the point was only to answer the question. |
Originally Posted by air8
(Post 10560008)
The sleeves are not interchangeable. Even tho they are copies.
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with all due respect i think you went a bit further than answering a question about price,:rolleyes:
oh and i don't think Argus had the g clip issue Alpha had......... |
Originally Posted by ArgusNZ
(Post 10560473)
with all due respect i think you went a bit further than answering a question about price,:rolleyes:
oh and i don't think Argus had the g clip issue Alpha had......... |
Yes Lance did sell the engines and seemed very happy with them, now he is the Alpha dealer it is obvious where his loyalties are, i just don't think some of the comments were very fair,
anyway i will post feedback of the new .23 when it arrives, interested to see how it compares with the B52 in truggy! |
Originally Posted by ArgusNZ
(Post 10560840)
Yes Lance did sell the engines and seemed very happy with them, now he is the Alpha dealer it is obvious where his loyalties are, i just don't think some of the comments were very fair,
anyway i will post feedback of the new .23 when it arrives, interested to see how it compares with the B52 in truggy! But just for the record, myself and Jonathan and the other U.S guys were very loyal. We all worked very hard with the Argus line. ( and would probrably still be supporting them) What wasnt loyal was out of nowhere the non justified Price increase to the importer, and customers? Thats all, it actually has nothing to do with the products at all. Good luck with the Argus engines. |
ArgusNZ - looking forward to a review of the .23.. And some video of the D52...
Again - just speculating.. But if Argus really is a direct or near-direct copy of Alpha, then it would seem something like this..: The A52 has been called a near-S852 copy - and from what I have seen that makes sense. Big bottom end, but not the top end of the Z852. The B/D52 is supposed to be even more powerful. That makes it sound like an A852 copy to me. And the A5 is supposed to be somewhat "tamer" than the A52, but good all-around - i.e. just like the F850 is described. If you follow the Alpha thread that pretty much follows how Jmaxey describes them, and he seems pretty objective and honest in his descriptions. |
Originally Posted by ArgusNZ
(Post 10560473)
with all due respect i think you went a bit further than answering a question about price,:rolleyes:
oh and i don't think Argus had the g clip issue Alpha had......... So my engine now it is a true mutt. But for those out there that wanted to know if the parts fit now you know. |
If you have the 3 port exhaust it is the A872 sleeve.
Argus is not a copy of Alpha, it is two different brands from the same factory. I also would be selling the Argus again this year if they wouldn't have had such a large price increase. Rex |
Originally Posted by 22Racer
(Post 10564708)
If you have the 3 port exhaust it is the A872 sleeve.
Argus is not a copy of Alpha, it is two different brands from the same factory. I also would be selling the Argus again this year if they wouldn't have had such a large price increase. Rex |
Wow.. Either Argus is saving up for something big.. Or they really did screw themselves with the pricing/distributor thing..
No news? |
Well, I guess it's sayonara Argus then.. I wonder though what the real deal behind the scenes is. Seems odd to me that a new engine on the market that was as popular as it was(from the UK to Canada, US, New Zealand, Australia, few in Germany, etc..) just outright killed itself pretty much overnight by changing its distributor and pricing strategy.. Or did they just start off too cheap from the beginning so that long term it became unviable to compete with Alpha and co. or what?..
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hi all, im getting my 1st argus engine soon. its a b52 and im running it for the s811 cobra buggy. i have a few pipes lyng around . what pipe do you think is suitable. running on a mid size track.
1, dynamite 086 2.dynamite 053. 3. reedy 2039 4. reedy 2035 5.vovarossi 9901 5.werks 2057. |
Was just out testing my new RC8.2 with its two current engines - the Argus A52 and a modded Nosram RS.21RR(Picco-built LRP twin) Haven't run the Argus much since last year, so had to tweak the needles a little bit, but WOW - it ran great.. Really like it. It had a 17T CB compared to the Nosram's 16T, and I don't think it would have given up anything on a track.. It cost exactly half what the Nosram cost too.
Man man man Argus.. Great engines you had going there... |
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