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kgombe 04-19-2013 03:56 PM

its a good engine... no ceramic bearing.... and the 9901/ 021 is the popular choice for buggy...

no filled crank..

alexrckid 04-19-2013 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by t0p_sh0tta (Post 12065040)
Hey guys, I'm new to nitro and will be running a Losi buggy this season. I happened to pick up a Beat B4 Plus (I believe it's NVR21B4P, but there's nothing on the box that says that) from my LHS, but I don't know anything about it. I was initially going to pick up a P5, but was told this would give me a smoother powerband, and had a ceramic rear bearing. I can't find much info on this motor, but it looks like there's no ceramic bearing. Does it have a filled crank? Anything else I should know about it?

I'll be starting off with the 9901/41021 combo, and Losi's steel 4 shoe clutch with the standard configuration. I'm coming from electric 1/10 scale, and figured this would give me a pretty linear powerband.

little bit about it...
http://www.nitrohouse.com/NovaRossiM...e_p_15481.html
and...........
http://www.absolutehobbyz.com/produc...ducts_id=12959

alexrckid 04-19-2013 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by kgombe (Post 12065076)
its a good engine... no ceramic bearing.... and the 9901/ 021 is the popular choice for buggy...

no filled crank..

yo...kijana...long time since motorama...

kgombe 04-19-2013 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by alexrckid (Post 12065092)
yo...kijana...long time since motorama...

its been a while.. since its only electric... i gave up on it...

alexrckid 04-19-2013 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by kgombe (Post 12065105)
its been a while.. since its only electric... i gave up on it...

same here....how's dixon..??

Teufel Racing 04-20-2013 01:52 AM


Originally Posted by Motorman007 (Post 12048482)
6%

NitroRC.com Custom Fuel Blend Recipe:

According to the figures you just gave us, your current fuel has, 30% nitro content and 9% oil content, leaving 61% methanol.

You have indicated that you wish to increase your oil content by 6% to a new total of 15%

In order to accomplish this you will simply need to add 8.8 ounces of castor/synthetic oil to your 128 ounces of fuel.

When you're done, you should end up with 136.8 ounces (1.07 gallons) of newly blended, custom fuel.


Custom Blend Results
Starting Nitro: 30% - - - - - - - - Ending Nitro: 28.1%

Starting Oil: 9% Add oz Oil: 8.8 Ending Oil: 15%

Starting Mthnl:61% - - - - - - - - Ending Mthnl: 56.9%


Just used that calulator,

Pretty fun stuff.

But since I was dorking out with it, I figured I see what 200cc's would be in oz's and it came out to 6.76xxxxxxx. So I fugured I plug in the numbers until I hit that oz number or as close to it as I could. According to the calc. the final oil package came out to 13.60-13.64 with 6.7 oz added. I guess it wouldn't calc. any thing past one decimal point in oz's added. And the percentage increase was only 4.6-4.64%.

t0p_sh0tta 04-20-2013 07:29 AM

Thanks guys.

thisismyusrname 04-20-2013 12:06 PM

Got an N21r in a trade, was wondering if this is a good engine to push a 8ight T?

JOJOHAMBONE 04-20-2013 05:39 PM

What is a good .21 engine from novarossi? I have been looking into the plus21-7xlb. I am new to nitro (currently run a 1/8E) and am looking for a good racing engine for a serpent cobra 811 2.0.
Thanks

Muggydude 04-20-2013 10:30 PM

I highly recommend one of the plus 4 family engine sin buggy-

The new keep off 21-4 is a great choice, or any of the others, plus 4btt, plus 4c team, etc

The keep off 21-7b is also a good choice, more powerful though. Can't really go wrong with either, but for buggy my vote is a plus 4 engine

beidle99 04-21-2013 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by JOJOHAMBONE (Post 12068173)
What is a good .21 engine from novarossi? I have been looking into the plus21-7xlb. I am new to nitro (currently run a 1/8E) and am looking for a good racing engine for a serpent cobra 811 2.0.
Thanks

Any of the Plus 4 engines or a P5XLT. For a pipe I would run the 2096/41021 on most tracks. I have a 9901 too, but it stays in the bag all the time.

crashchris88 04-21-2013 05:54 AM

pipe decision
 
Hey guys I have a question about deciding on what pipe/header combo on my Plus 21 4T. I am getting back into the hobby after a couple of years. When I left I was running great with my plus 21 4T with the 9901/41030 combo. I have been reading about the 2096/41021 and was wondering does it get better mileage and more power? also what plug is the best for me being Im from GA.

Maximo 04-21-2013 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by crashchris88 (Post 12069403)
Hey guys I have a question about deciding on what pipe/header combo on my Plus 21 4T. I am getting back into the hobby after a couple of years. When I left I was running great with my plus 21 4T with the 9901/41030 combo. I have been reading about the 2096/41021 and was wondering does it get better mileage and more power? also what plug is the best for me being Im from GA.

many people love the 2096/41021..but for me it feels way too lazy on the bottom end..... Just seems to take all the snap out of the engine......... I much prefer the 9901/41001 or the 9886/41001.....

beidle99 04-21-2013 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by crashchris88 (Post 12069403)
Hey guys I have a question about deciding on what pipe/header combo on my Plus 21 4T. I am getting back into the hobby after a couple of years. When I left I was running great with my plus 21 4T with the 9901/41030 combo. I have been reading about the 2096/41021 and was wondering does it get better mileage and more power? also what plug is the best for me being Im from GA.

Maximo is correct as far as the 9901 having more snap on the bottom end. I tried the 9901 with the 41021 and it limited the top end, I tried a Orion 2058 pipe on mine, that really woke it up all around. Then I tried the 2096/41021 and yes it did remove some bottom end but gained more top over the 2058 and I gained run time, approx 30 seconds. The 2096 works well for me because it smooths out the bottom end and allows the buggy to gain traction for short run ups. I don't have a bunch of unnecessary wheel spin coming off the line or out of slow corners. I also get an electric like mid range. I may try the 9901/41001 combo but for now the 2096/41021 is my ticket.

and for you plug I would start with a 6 now and then in the summer go to a 7.

crashchris88 04-21-2013 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by beidle99 (Post 12069707)
Maximo is correct as far as the 9901 having more snap on the bottom end. I tried the 9901 with the 41021 and it limited the top end, I tried a Orion 2058 pipe on mine, that really woke it up all around. Then I tried the 2096/41021 and yes it did remove some bottom end but gained more top over the 2058 and I gained run time, approx 30 seconds. The 2096 works well for me because it smooths out the bottom end and allows the buggy to gain traction for short run ups. I don't have a bunch of unnecessary wheel spin coming off the line or out of slow corners. I also get an electric like mid range. I may try the 9901/41001 combo but for now the 2096/41021 is my ticket.

and for you plug I would start with a 6 now and then in the summer go to a 7.

thanks for your input guys I think I might try the 2086/41021 pipe combo. I have been out of racing for a while anyways problably dont need anything too fast anyways and prob could use the gas mileage to my advantage.

xxxntwv 04-21-2013 07:35 PM

got a crazy question about the p5xlt.Do they have different lowspeed needles on older or newer versions.Here's the reason I ask my lowspeed needle after tuning is in from flush approximately a hole turn and I have 2 friends that have a p5xlt and the other has the maxi.both there needles are close to flush.We are all using the same pipe and fuel.I just find it odd that our needles are so far off.

Kiel328 04-21-2013 07:58 PM

What can i do to get better milage out of my 4btt

PERROTTO 04-21-2013 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by Kiel328 (Post 12071726)
What can i do to get better milage out of my 4btt

Lots of things...what is your current setup? What chassis, Pipe, header, plug, clutch, Venturi, and fuel?

Common overlooked issues depleting runtimes are engine/carb leaks, old pipes with tons of carbon build up, drivetrain drag, and obstructions in fuel system.

Kiel328 04-21-2013 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by PERROTTO (Post 12071774)
Lots of things...what is your current setup? What chassis, Pipe, header, plug, clutch, Venturi, and fuel?

Common overlooked issues depleting runtimes are engine/carb leaks, old pipes with tons of carbon build up, drivetrain drag, and obstructions in fuel system.

I am running an intech br-6 (light car like mbx6r), 9901 pipe, 41029 header, c6 plug, 3 shoe clutch with all aluminum shoes, 6.5 venturi, and byrons 30% nitro and 11% lubrication and i get like 9 minutes with no problem but some guys get over 10 so im just interested

PERROTTO 04-21-2013 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Kiel328 (Post 12071856)
I am running an intech br-6 (light car like mbx6r), 9901 pipe, 41029 header, c6 plug, 3 shoe clutch with all aluminum shoes, 6.5 venturi, and byrons 30% nitro and 11% lubrication and i get like 9 minutes with no problem but some guys get over 10 so im just interested

Sometimes a larger Venturi will help mileage because you get more power, therefore not needing to go full throttle as much. If your engine has less than 2 gallons ran through it, then its possibly still breaking in. Better fuel mileage with freshly broken in engines. A 2096 will usually yield mor runtime than 9901 but not much. If you are tuning by temps, shoot for 270-280 range. The low cooling heads seem to operate primo at those temps.

Kiel328 04-21-2013 08:53 PM

Are you serious? Ive been running like 240-245

PERROTTO 04-21-2013 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by Kiel328 (Post 12071928)
Are you serious? Ive been running like 240-245

Yes. But i would stick to those temps until you have more than 2 gallons through it, then lean that sucker out.

Kiel328 04-21-2013 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by PERROTTO (Post 12071942)
Yes. But i would stick to those temps until you have more than 2 gallons through it, then lean that sucker out.

Yea ive got like 1 and a half gallons on it

jboquire 04-23-2013 04:04 PM

P5 Flames out after refueling
 
P5 with 9901/41021. What could be causing this issue, it happened to me three times during a 30 min. main event. Brand new plug, temps at around 225 deg consistently. a local racer told me it could be that the motor is too rich on the low speed needle, he is knowledgeable but I want to make sure before I start messing with it. He also recomended to use a C5 plug instead of the C6.

Thanks in advance, jb

Zachfeen 04-23-2013 04:06 PM

Flame outs depend on the car. Mugen's tend to have a lot of flame out issues. Might try to lengthen your fuel inlet line..

ZR2Chevy22 04-23-2013 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Zachfeen (Post 12078963)
Flame outs depend on the car. Mugen's tend to have a lot of flame out issues. Might try to lengthen your fuel inlet line..

I'd like to know where you get this info from?

I have a MBX6r and my buddies are running MBX6 MSPEC's and MBX7's and flame out's have never been a issue with our Mugens. I can say that our cars during races are some of the only one's that DON'T flame out. It's all about engine tuning, care and maintainence.

Andrew

beidle99 04-23-2013 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by jboquire (Post 12078954)
P5 with 9901/41021. What could be causing this issue, it happened to me three times during a 30 min. main event. Brand new plug, temps at around 225 deg consistently. a local racer told me it could be that the motor is too rich on the low speed needle, he is knowledgeable but I want to make sure before I start messing with it. He also recomended to use a C5 plug instead of the C6.

Thanks in advance, jb

Nova motors in general don't like an overly rich LSN. Also the C5 is a hotter plug so if you are running a little rich it could be the fact that your flooding the plug with the C6. My buddy had a similar issue over the weekend, changed to a C5 plug and after a quick retune all things were better.

Zachfeen 04-23-2013 04:49 PM

MBX7's have a clunked tank which make flame outs much less likely. Mbx6's are notorious for having flame out issues (I run a 6r and haven't had any issues but know lots that have)

houston 04-23-2013 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by jboquire (Post 12078954)
P5 with 9901/41021. What could be causing this issue, it happened to me three times during a 30 min. main event. Brand new plug, temps at around 225 deg consistently. a local racer told me it could be that the motor is too rich on the low speed needle, he is knowledgeable but I want to make sure before I start messing with it. He also recomended to use a C5 plug instead of the C6.

Thanks in advance, jb

yep , too rich lsn , improper balance on the tune

dmartin 04-23-2013 10:45 PM

Currently running a 9901/41021 combo on an Fusion X5 and a Nova BTT. Any thoughts out here on what will happen when I switch to a 2096/41001 combo? I'm thinking it will pull harder from mid to top, more top-end power and maybe a slightly softer bottom. Maybe better fuel economy?

prowlag 04-23-2013 11:09 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 12079162)
yep , too rich lsn , improper balance on the tune

+1. Nova's love a crispy bottom end!

jboquire 04-24-2013 08:44 AM

Thanks to all that reply, I will work on leaning the LSN a bit.

jb

Team_Orange 04-24-2013 09:28 AM

Need an opinion on pipe choice. Im breaking in a 21-4 btt wc and right now the only pipes i have to choose from are losi re-11 and nova 9101 with a 41021 header. which would be better

kgombe 04-24-2013 09:30 AM

whats a 9101?

Team_Orange 04-24-2013 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by kgombe (Post 12081717)
whats a 9101?

i meant 9901 ;)

kgombe 04-24-2013 09:38 AM

ok got u.. never played with the RE11 .. but the 9901 is the choice of champions.. :-)

Punter69 04-24-2013 12:56 PM

i've got a Plus 4BTT WC thats done 6L or 1.5Gallons and its worn out. when i say worn out, i can push the piston through the top of the liner. its buggered

run in on a bench at 90-100deg C
never got too hot, never leaned out.
never swallowed any dirt

took it to the distributor and they said it looks like the back plate has come loose causing the back plate to vibrate and cause scuffing, and the scuffed material has gone through the engine causing it to wear out.

1. the back plate was tight and i never noticed it coming loose, and 2. would that really cause that?

pretty dissapointed but any thoughts?

Maximo 04-24-2013 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by Punter69 (Post 12082279)
i've got a Plus 4BTT WC thats done 6L or 1.5Gallons and its worn out. when i say worn out, i can push the piston through the top of the liner. its buggered

run in on a bench at 90-100deg C
never got too hot, never leaned out.
never swallowed any dirt

took it to the distributor and they said it looks like the back plate has come loose causing the back plate to vibrate and cause scuffing, and the scuffed material has gone through the engine causing it to wear out.

1. the back plate was tight and i never noticed it coming loose, and 2. would that really cause that?

pretty dissapointed but any thoughts?



would you be able to take a picture of the crankshaft for me ? I am particularly interested in the section that spins underneath the carb..... If you show me a decent pictures I likely can tell you what happened

Punter69 04-24-2013 04:24 PM

i've sent it up to a friend to have a look, when it comes back I'll take a pic. im assuming you're looking for damage from it sucking something down its throat?



Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 12082350)
would you be able to take a picture of the crankshaft for me ? I am particularly interested in the section that spins underneath the carb..... If you show me a decent pictures I likely can tell you what happened


Maximo 04-24-2013 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Punter69 (Post 12082902)
i've sent it up to a friend to have a look, when it comes back I'll take a pic. im assuming you're looking for damage from it sucking something down its throat?

yes....either down the throat or thru the front bearing....... usually when I see a engine that lost compression early it comes back to contamination of some sort....By looking at the crank we can see instantly if something has passed down the throat or not.....Its actually much more common then people realize....


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