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hookem34 04-07-2013 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by RockStar_199 (Post 12020048)
I have a btt that I need bearings changed. Local hobby shop didn't have the correct bearing puller. Does the hudy come with everything I need? I also need bearings for it....what are the sizes, I can't seem to find the correct ones.

Mark I have the Hudy tool. It works perfect on the Nova's. If you want to try it out, let me know.

RockStar_199 04-07-2013 06:56 PM

Have you changed a bearing for a btt? I just need to know if the hudy kit is able to do that motor because I think the btt have diff size bearings

hookem34 04-07-2013 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by RockStar_199 (Post 12020535)
Have you changed a bearing for a btt? I just need to know if the hudy kit is able to do that motor because I think the btt have diff size bearings

Yep, changed my CRE BTTS with no issue.

RockStar_199 04-07-2013 07:05 PM

Thanks that's all I needed to know :nod: I just bought one

hookem34 04-07-2013 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by RockStar_199 (Post 12020586)
Thanks that's all I needed to know :nod: I just bought one

Nice! The 17011 front bearing has a raised inner race, so make sure you place a washer between the bearing and bearing cup to prevent you from smashing the race. Sounds weird, but look at it when you get the tool and it will make sense.

houston 04-07-2013 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by RockStar_199 (Post 12020535)
Have you changed a bearing for a btt? I just need to know if the hudy kit is able to do that motor because I think the btt have diff size bearings

It takes a lil customzing or a machined washer that will only touch the outer race of the 17011 as it has an inner race that protrudes .3mm , seen allloooottt of messed up front 17011 because of this

RockStar_199 04-07-2013 09:32 PM

I'm just going to send it to you lol

houston 04-07-2013 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by RockStar_199 (Post 12021177)
I'm just going to send it to you lol

:lol:

Thats no prob bro

Just lmk

RCNitro13 04-07-2013 09:56 PM

With the button head, which way does the arrow point? I took it off but didn't pay attention to the orientation.

Also, should there be movement of the flywheel when the piston is right at the top of the sleeve? With the heat sink and back plate off, I noticed a few mm movement left and right when the piston was stuck at the top. The pin on the crank that goes into the bottom of the rod seemed a bit loose.

houston 04-07-2013 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by RCNitro13 (Post 12021236)
With the button head, which way does the arrow point? I took it off but didn't pay attention to the orientation.

Also, should there be movement of the flywheel when the piston is right at the top of the sleeve? With the heat sink and back plate off, I noticed a few mm movement left and right when the piston was stuck at the top. The pin on the crank that goes into the bottom of the rod seemed a bit loose.

Tdc is not where to check for rod/crankpin "slop" , thats normal

Towards exhaust but is a circle and will not hurt anything either way

RCNitro13 04-08-2013 12:17 AM

[QUOTE=houston;12021255]Tdc is not where to check for rod/crankpin "slop" , thats normal

OK, thanks. How would you check the slop?

houston 04-08-2013 12:46 AM

[QUOTE=RCNitro13;12021494]

Originally Posted by houston (Post 12021255)
Tdc is not where to check for rod/crankpin "slop" , thats normal

OK, thanks. How would you check the slop?

usually at the start of the compression stroke or get all technical and measure crankpin , under 4.92mm bad

R.M.S 04-09-2013 07:26 AM

what is the best fuel to run in a .21-4C engine? I normally use Byron 30% in my current engine, but noticed novarossi recommends 25%. I was thinking of 25% worlds blend

beidle99 04-10-2013 06:23 AM

30% is fine. That all I run on my plus 4 btt. Can't go wrong with Byrons.

R.M.S 04-10-2013 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by beidle99 (Post 12030385)
30% is fine. That all I run on my plus 4 btt. Can't go wrong with Byrons.

Perfect, Thanks!

Eastside777 04-11-2013 09:34 AM

i stripped the head button in my BTT. can the head button from the 21-4 work?

aznitronut 04-11-2013 10:10 AM

Yep

tobamiester 04-11-2013 11:43 AM

Hey guys,
I have an FMS that I've babied for a couple of years (had Ray tighten it up last fall). Use it in 1/8th Late Model.
Any ideas on a replacement piston ? (sleeve is ok). part numbers and good prices? Thanks in advance...

kgombe 04-11-2013 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by tobamiester (Post 12035437)
Hey guys,
I have an FMS that I've babied for a couple of years (had Ray tighten it up last fall). Use it in 1/8th Late Model.
Any ideas on a replacement piston ? (sleeve is ok). part numbers and good prices? Thanks in advance...

unfortunately pistons are not sold as a stand alone item... that being said if you can get someone with a piston from plus 4 you will be fine...

for part numbers talk to Monty he should be able to help you

houston 04-11-2013 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Eastside777 (Post 12034935)
i stripped the head button in my BTT. can the head button from the 21-4 work?

must use #28028

houston 04-11-2013 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by tobamiester (Post 12035437)
Hey guys,
I have an FMS that I've babied for a couple of years (had Ray tighten it up last fall). Use it in 1/8th Late Model.
Any ideas on a replacement piston ? (sleeve is ok). part numbers and good prices? Thanks in advance...

what happened to it ?

if all is good Ray has resized MANY p/s sets more than once

tobamiester 04-11-2013 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 12036108)
what happened to it ?

if all is good Ray has resized MANY p/s sets more than once

Oh it was nothing to do with Ray's work. That's perfect. Lets just say I had an 'accident' doing what should be routine maintenance (replacing a rod). :cry: Completely gutted. Love this motor....

aussies1129 04-12-2013 02:04 AM


Originally Posted by tobamiester (Post 12036953)
Oh it was nothing to do with Ray's work. That's perfect. Lets just say I had an 'accident' doing what should be routine maintenance (replacing a rod). :cry: Completely gutted. Love this motor....

easy to scratch the piston:nod:I just changed out the rod on my roma took me a few clips to get it done right:sweat:

tobamiester 04-12-2013 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aussies1129 (Post 12037733)
easy to scratch the piston:nod:I just changed out the rod on my roma took me a few clips to get it done right:sweat:

Oh it was worse than that :lol:

I was sitting at my workbench after replacing the rod/clips etc. slotted the piston back into the case and was getting ready to slide the sleeve back in when the piston dropped out, through my legs and onto the floor. I was sitting in one of those rolling desk chairs with five sets of wheels. I pushed myself away from the desk to find it, and the wheels rolled right over the piston (with my fat 220lbs of weight on it)....Pic attached...sob sob

Will this piston work?

merdith6 04-12-2013 09:10 AM

ooh no
 

Originally Posted by tobamiester (Post 12037964)
Oh it was worse than that :lol:

I was sitting at my workbench after replacing the rod/clips etc. slotted the piston back into the case and was getting ready to slide the sleeve back in when the piston dropped out, through my legs and onto the floor. I was sitting in one of those rolling desk chairs with five sets of wheels. I pushed myself away from the desk to find it, and the wheels rolled right over the piston (with my fat 220lbs of weight on it)....Pic attached...sob sob

Will this piston work?

That is a sad story. That FMS is a nice engine for sure.

RockStar_199 04-12-2013 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by tobamiester (Post 12035437)
Hey guys,
I have an FMS that I've babied for a couple of years (had Ray tighten it up last fall). Use it in 1/8th Late Model.
Any ideas on a replacement piston ? (sleeve is ok). part numbers and good prices? Thanks in advance...

I think I have a brand new piston and sleeve for the FMS so you would need to give some time to check and I would be willing to let it go since I cant run that engine anymore......lemme know

tobamiester 04-12-2013 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by RockStar_199 (Post 12038730)
I think I have a brand new piston and sleeve for the FMS so you would need to give some time to check and I would be willing to let it go since I cant run that engine anymore......lemme know

Thanks bud. sent you a pm.

aussies1129 04-13-2013 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by tobamiester (Post 12037964)
Oh it was worse than that :lol:

I was sitting at my workbench after replacing the rod/clips etc. slotted the piston back into the case and was getting ready to slide the sleeve back in when the piston dropped out, through my legs and onto the floor. I was sitting in one of those rolling desk chairs with five sets of wheels. I pushed myself away from the desk to find it, and the wheels rolled right over the piston (with my fat 220lbs of weight on it)....Pic attached...sob sob

Will this piston work?

Oh no!I have dropped a toro Nero piston /rod on a concrete floor and dinged
The top part of the piston it ran rough after that lesson Learnt always put something soft down lol

tobamiester 04-13-2013 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by aussies1129 (Post 12041434)
Oh no!I have dropped a toro Nero piston /rod on a concrete floor and dinged
The top part of the piston it ran rough after that lesson Learnt always put something soft down lol

yeah. it landed on carpet...and was fine...til I ran over it..:lol: :blush:

Guillermito 04-15-2013 07:23 AM

Hello, I have a Mugen Truggy, and let me know which engine do you recommend to buy, the Bonito or Roma?

Thanks. Best Regards.

thekisscutken1 04-15-2013 08:05 AM

hey guys...i have a bonito in my truggy with 2084 pipe and 41021 header. i just got it all recently and only have roughly 3/4 of a gallon through it and tried racing it at a big race this weekend. temping at around 265 and running very well and consistent but just doesn't have the top end power others are getting. can i expect it to come to life soon? i'm afraid to go leaner with only 3/4 of a gallon in it. i broke it in heat cycling method with vp powermaster 30% and added 200cc of castor oil to the gallon.

hookem34 04-15-2013 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by thekisscutken1 (Post 12047999)
hey guys...i have a bonito in my truggy with 2084 pipe and 41021 header. i just got it all recently and only have roughly 3/4 of a gallon through it and tried racing it at a big race this weekend. temping at around 265 and running very well and consistent but just doesn't have the top end power others are getting. can i expect it to come to life soon? i'm afraid to go leaner with only 3/4 of a gallon in it. i broke it in heat cycling method with vp powermaster 30% and added 200cc of castor oil to the gallon.

The majic of these engines seems to take place around the 2 gallon mark. 265 is still a bit conservative. Not sure about the 2084 pipe, but the 9886 or 2096 should help with the top end. You can also look at the 41001 header for more mid and top.

My Novas love the 9886/41001 combo and scream at 280-285. Have almost 6 gallons on a BTT and it shows no sign of premature wear.

Maximo 04-15-2013 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by thekisscutken1 (Post 12047999)
hey guys...i have a bonito in my truggy with 2084 pipe and 41021 header. i just got it all recently and only have roughly 3/4 of a gallon through it and tried racing it at a big race this weekend. temping at around 265 and running very well and consistent but just doesn't have the top end power others are getting. can i expect it to come to life soon? i'm afraid to go leaner with only 3/4 of a gallon in it. i broke it in heat cycling method with vp powermaster 30% and added 200cc of castor oil to the gallon.



the extra 6% oil is definitely going to dramatically reduce performance.....I wouldnt even try to push the top end till you go back to the regular formula.... All that oil will disrupt combustion and will end up tricking you into running overly lean in order to get it to clear itself out.... I would take it easy on top end running till you use up that fuel with the extra oil... If your trying to push performance all that extra oil will do more harm then good.... Also I Would use a 41001 manifold and a 9886 pipe.... The pipe header you run is too lazy for me on that engine.....

thekisscutken1 04-15-2013 09:53 AM

on race i day i did use normal vp 30% with no extra oil added. only other pipe setup i have right now is re12 and haven't tried it. i'm thinking once it breaks in more it'll come around

Motorman007 04-15-2013 10:07 AM

http://www.nitrorc.com/fuelws/oilonly.asp

A GOOD TOOL TO HAVE SIR

Motorman007 04-15-2013 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 12048350)
the extra 6% oil is definitely going to dramatically reduce performance.....I wouldnt even try to push the top end till you go back to the regular formula.... All that oil will disrupt combustion and will end up tricking you into running overly lean in order to get it to clear itself out.... I would take it easy on top end running till you use up that fuel with the extra oil... If your trying to push performance all that extra oil will do more harm then good.... Also I Would use a 41001 manifold and a 9886 pipe.... The pipe header you run is too lazy for me on that engine.....

6%

NitroRC.com Custom Fuel Blend Recipe:

According to the figures you just gave us, your current fuel has, 30% nitro content and 9% oil content, leaving 61% methanol.

You have indicated that you wish to increase your oil content by 6% to a new total of 15%

In order to accomplish this you will simply need to add 8.8 ounces of castor/synthetic oil to your 128 ounces of fuel.

When you're done, you should end up with 136.8 ounces (1.07 gallons) of newly blended, custom fuel.


Custom Blend Results
Starting Nitro: 30% - - - - - - - - Ending Nitro: 28.1%

Starting Oil: 9% Add oz Oil: 8.8 Ending Oil: 15%

Starting Mthnl:61% - - - - - - - - Ending Mthnl: 56.9%

oldsavage 04-19-2013 10:44 AM

Whats the best pipe to go with the Novarossi Keep Off in a buggy?

kgombe 04-19-2013 10:47 AM

seen Drake run it with the 9901 and 021 header and it was killer.. pipe depends on preference .. i like 2096 / 021 header on all my nova engines to date...

oldsavage 04-19-2013 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by kgombe (Post 12064241)
seen Drake run it with the 9901 and 021 header and it was killer.. pipe depends on preference .. i like 2096 / 021 header on all my nova engines to date...

Thank you for the super quick response

t0p_sh0tta 04-19-2013 03:34 PM

Hey guys, I'm new to nitro and will be running a Losi buggy this season. I happened to pick up a Beat B4 Plus (I believe it's NVR21B4P, but there's nothing on the box that says that) from my LHS, but I don't know anything about it. I was initially going to pick up a P5, but was told this would give me a smoother powerband, and had a ceramic rear bearing. I can't find much info on this motor, but it looks like there's no ceramic bearing. Does it have a filled crank? Anything else I should know about it?

I'll be starting off with the 9901/41021 combo, and Losi's steel 4 shoe clutch with the standard configuration. I'm coming from electric 1/10 scale, and figured this would give me a pretty linear powerband.


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