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Guillermito 06-29-2012 11:41 AM

That measure the venturi does better to Bonito 7XLB? Is for a Truggy Mugen.

Thanks. Best Regards.

rcmoe 06-29-2012 11:52 AM

What is this I'm hearing about an air intake hole in the Bonito that can cause a possible air leak? And some kind of silicone used to fix this issue? I havent incountered this problem with mines but I only barely have a gal on it.

kja812 06-29-2012 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by rcmoe (Post 10918950)
What is this I'm hearing about an air intake hole in the Bonito that can cause a possible air leak? And some kind of silicone used to fix this issue? I havent incountered this problem with mines but I only barely have a gal on it.

Neal's (CRE) video.... http://youtu.be/gdt2luUlbuI

hookem34 06-29-2012 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by rcmoe (Post 10918950)
What is this I'm hearing about an air intake hole in the Bonito that can cause a possible air leak? And some kind of silicone used to fix this issue? I havent incountered this problem with mines but I only barely have a gal on it.

It's the Vacum Return port and is in EVERY Nova and Nova-based engine. Not a problem with stock engines, but modified engines, especially high HP ones, are seeing some issues. The video below explains everything.

I run all of Neal's Nova engine lines and have no issues with mine because I run Werks fuel, which is thicker than most.

rcmoe 06-29-2012 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by kja812 (Post 10919187)
Neal's (CRE) video.... http://youtu.be/gdt2luUlbuI



Ive heard of this vid and I just watched it. I'd hate to imagine that this could possibly be happening to my gal old $400 Bonito :flaming:. Has any of you guys incountered this problem? My engine man seems to be sceptical that this is a air leak problem but he has done this repair for a buddy of mines recently and is waitng to see if it fixed his problem. Have any of you guys experienced this problem and is it reccomended to get this done to be on the safe side? Also has Novarossi said anything about this?

bigjayjay1 06-29-2012 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by rcmoe (Post 10919323)
Ive heard of this vid and I just watched it. I'd hate to imagine that this could possibly be happening to my gal old $400 Bonito :flaming:. Has any of you guys incountered this problem? My engine man seems to be sceptical that this is a air leak problem but he has done this repair for a buddy of mines recently and is waitng to see if it fixed his problem. Have any of you guys experienced this problem and is it reccomended to get this done to be on the safe side? Also has Novarossi said anything about this?

im doing it as precaution my mill was perfect also i had no dirt in my mill after i broke it down this week. Neil told me to do it i trust him he knows best

rcmoe 06-29-2012 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by bigjayjay1 (Post 10919422)
im doing it as precaution my mill was perfect also i had no dirt in my mill after i broke it down this week. Neil told me to do it i trust him he knows best



What other Novas besides the Bonito and Roma is having this same issue?

rider313 06-29-2012 03:35 PM

P5's and most likely the BTT also.. I don't think it's as common in the stockers as Neil's modifieds with case vacuum pressure. If you run a quality fuel with castor your also less likely to have issues with the front bearing leaking.

rcmoe 06-29-2012 04:01 PM

I recently had to get my P5 rebuilt sucking in dirt do to a bad front bearing. I wonder if this may have been the cause. I bought the motor used with 2 gals on it and I only put a gal on it so I dont know what kind of fuel the previous owner used. I use byrons 30/11.

TX_Punisher 06-29-2012 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by rcmoe (Post 10919636)
I recently had to get my P5 rebuilt sucking in dirt do to a bad front bearing. I wonder if this may have been the cause. I bought the motor used with 2 gals on it and I only put a gal on it so I dont know what kind of fuel the previous owner used. I use byrons 30/11.

Is the sleeve stock, or has it been modified?

In other words, is the engine "stock?" Apart from a modified crank or improved bearings?

maddog74 06-30-2012 07:07 AM

When you guys do the nitro cleaner test behind the flywheel of the motor do you take the flywheel off and clean all the dirt and debris off of the front bearing and then put the flywheel back on and do the nitro cleaner test. Seems like if you didnt then your motor would suck alot of that debris in. I have a Nova 4btt stock with almost 5 gallons on it still has good compression but when I get it up to temps and let it sit on the box to idle it will only stay idling for about 10 to 12 seconds and then shutoff. Put all new fuel lines in, fairly new tank, sealed up with lucky 7, checked clutch shoes and springs so everything looks good. When I am out on the track there are no problems does not flame out but if I let it sit for more than about 12 seconds it will shut off. Does it sound like I could have a bad front bearing I know there are alot of variables but I have been racing for a while now and it is not the tune plenty of smoke bottom to top and temps are in the 230-240 range. Any help would be appreciated. Oh yeah this is on a losi buggy with nova 2096/41021.

Chris Reilly 06-30-2012 07:18 AM

So the bottom isn't to rich and a slightly higher idle? My Nova's will idle the whole tank. Not sure about anyone else.

maddog74 06-30-2012 07:51 AM

No bottom is not too rich I had it a little lean cause it was lean bogging on the bottom slightly. I am about half a turn in from flush. I did try to lean it more on the top and when I did that, doing runs down the straight it was staying reved up for a little too long so I backed the top end down until that went away. I could just need to turn the idle up more but when I did that and it was on the box it would stay at the high rev after I gave it full throttle for about 4 seconds. I dont know I am at a loss this is not first Nova either have had all the plus 4's. I am thinking about doing the nitro cleaner test and want to know do I need to clean the dirt off the front bearing before I do the test dont want to suck more dirt in and cause any damage.

rcmoe 06-30-2012 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by TX_Punisher (Post 10920113)
Is the sleeve stock, or has it been modified?

In other words, is the engine "stock?" Apart from a modified crank or improved bearings?

The motor is stock. I had ceramics brgs put in during the rebuild.

houston 06-30-2012 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by rcmoe (Post 10919636)
I recently had to get my P5 rebuilt sucking in dirt do to a bad front bearing. I wonder if this may have been the cause. I bought the motor used with 2 gals on it and I only put a gal on it so I dont know what kind of fuel the previous owner used. I use byrons 30/11.

In comparison to the 17011 the bearing that comes in the p5xlt is subpar , thats the real issue , nova installed these bearings on many of the higher end engines in between the time that they were switching brng manufacturers and were supposed to have the 17011 ,this has caused some issues as the bearing just has a bad sealing capability , it would be a good bearing for a gallon or two at most but would blow oil out and suck dirt in as crankcase pressures ebb and flow in the block . Solution : put 17011 front bearing in your engine , its the best front bearing on the market , no question

Castor oil is good for your engine ;)

rcmoe 06-30-2012 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 10921636)
In comparison to the 17011 the bearing that comes in the p5xlt is subpar , thats the real issue , nova installed these bearings on many of the higher end engines in between the time that they were switching brng manufacturers and were supposed to have the 17011 ,this has caused some issues as the bearing just has a bad sealing capability , it would be a good bearing for a gallon or two at most but would blow oil out and suck dirt in as crankcase pressures ebb and flow in the block . Solution : put 17011 front bearing in your engine , its the best front bearing on the market , no question

Castor oil is good for your engine ;)



Yeah Im aware of this bearing issue. I have ceramics installed in it now but to have piece of mind I'm going to get that intake hole sealed on my P5 and Bonito. BTW whats your thoughts on this hole possibly causing air leaks?

bigjayjay1 06-30-2012 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by maddog74 (Post 10921376)
When you guys do the nitro cleaner test behind the flywheel of the motor do you take the flywheel off and clean all the dirt and debris off of the front bearing and then put the flywheel back on and do the nitro cleaner test. Seems like if you didnt then your motor would suck alot of that debris in. I have a Nova 4btt stock with almost 5 gallons on it still has good compression but when I get it up to temps and let it sit on the box to idle it will only stay idling for about 10 to 12 seconds and then shutoff. Put all new fuel lines in, fairly new tank, sealed up with lucky 7, checked clutch shoes and springs so everything looks good. When I am out on the track there are no problems does not flame out but if I let it sit for more than about 12 seconds it will shut off. Does it sound like I could have a bad front bearing I know there are alot of variables but I have been racing for a while now and it is not the tune plenty of smoke bottom to top and temps are in the 230-240 range. Any help would be appreciated. Oh yeah this is on a losi buggy with nova 2096/41021.

Just hit it with a blast with the flywheel attached if you have a lot of build up on the front bearing then its leaking .

Jaz240 06-30-2012 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by maddog74 (Post 10921376)
When you guys do the nitro cleaner test behind the flywheel of the motor do you take the flywheel off and clean all the dirt and debris off of the front bearing and then put the flywheel back on and do the nitro cleaner test. Seems like if you didnt then your motor would suck alot of that debris in. I have a Nova 4btt stock with almost 5 gallons on it still has good compression but when I get it up to temps and let it sit on the box to idle it will only stay idling for about 10 to 12 seconds and then shutoff. Put all new fuel lines in, fairly new tank, sealed up with lucky 7, checked clutch shoes and springs so everything looks good. When I am out on the track there are no problems does not flame out but if I let it sit for more than about 12 seconds it will shut off. Does it sound like I could have a bad front bearing I know there are alot of variables but I have been racing for a while now and it is not the tune plenty of smoke bottom to top and temps are in the 230-240 range. Any help would be appreciated. Oh yeah this is on a losi buggy with nova 2096/41021.

This sounds more like a tuning issue problem to me and not a leaky bearing. Your bearing would have to be completely shot to effect the idle, not just a bad seal. However, the problems would become astronomical while actually running on the track. I have never in 11 years heard of issues that only manifest at idle speed and then go away while running at race temps and RPM's. It sounds to me like you have a slight blockage somewhere which would be more noticeable at low rpm because there is less pressure. Once your pipe starts creating good pressure its enough to push the fuel through the blockage. Take your carb apart and flush it and clean it well with small toothpick or similar and then re-assemble and try again. first check your tune, it may be as simple as your idle gap being too small. It could also be your pipe has a oil clog.

1airborne 06-30-2012 01:28 PM

pipe
 
Just as a general rule, with a high rpm motor would you use a high rpm pipe? Just like a torque motor would use a low end pipe. Just generally speaking. I know there are a lot of variables that come into play.

1airborne

Jaz240 06-30-2012 01:53 PM

Has anyone ever tried the P5 P/S/R in the +4 with the +4 crank and case? I have good usable parts from both engines that can be combined if it works.

houston 07-01-2012 01:03 AM


Originally Posted by Jaz240 (Post 10922284)
Has anyone ever tried the P5 P/S/R in the +4 with the +4 crank and case? I have good usable parts from both engines that can be combined if it works.

Parts will not fit

P5xlt od on sleeve 19.5mm plus 4 od 19.2mm

shimano 07-01-2012 05:59 AM

Roma25
 
Hey guys, I know this has been asked, but what front bearing comes with the Roma. I bet it's not the 17011.

Jaz240 07-01-2012 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 10923724)
Parts will not fit

P5xlt od on sleeve 19.5mm plus 4 od 19.2mm

Thanks for the replies....bummer

aussies1129 07-01-2012 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by shimano (Post 10924122)
Hey guys, I know this has been asked, but what front bearing comes with the Roma. I bet it's not the 17011.

17007
I just put some tko ceramics in mine
7x19x6 front
14x25.8x6 rear
at about the 5 ltr mark still on the rich side temping about 220 so far so good:)
my local supplier here has got another set if you want?
cheers

chevelledude 07-01-2012 01:36 PM

What would the pipe of choice be for me for my truggy with a P5xl?

chiefin on 420 07-01-2012 02:03 PM

RTT
 

Originally Posted by chevelledude (Post 10925292)
What would the pipe of choice be for me for my truggy with a P5xl?


You Might try reading the thread (RTT) or the P5XLT thread. It's in there. :D

aussies1129 07-01-2012 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by chevelledude (Post 10925292)
What would the pipe of choice be for me for my truggy with a P5xl?

novarossi 9886/21 or 9901/21 or 2096/21 for top end

megasaxon 07-01-2012 06:02 PM

for truggy, 2084/21 or 2096/21 on the p5xlt, plenty of bottom end with those combos

chevelledude 07-01-2012 07:37 PM

Thanks for those suggestions guys. Always good to hear what others like.

Som3R3tard 07-01-2012 09:58 PM

Hey guys got a 21+7fms with a dynamite 053mr. Ambient air temp was 105. Motor came off track at 295. Seems like it didn't have that much top end speed. I couldn't keep up with the ninja or bullet motors on the straights. What should I do? Motor might have 2gallons on it. Seems to still have compression even when hot. Thanks in advance

merdith6 07-01-2012 11:12 PM

Hmm
 

Originally Posted by Som3R3tard (Post 10927026)
Hey guys got a 21+7fms with a dynamite 053mr. Ambient air temp was 105. Motor came off track at 295. Seems like it didn't have that much top end speed. I couldn't keep up with the ninja or bullet motors on the straights. What should I do? Motor might have 2gallons on it. Seems to still have compression even when hot. Thanks in advance

Well the fms has top end, so my first thought is you may be lean. Leaning out a motor can make it faster up to a point, then it's starving for fuel. When you pull the trigger it's giving more fuel and more air not less. Open up the top end to flush, retune the bottom and idle, then if that doesn't do it, check your gearing. what buggy, or truggy. The FMS doesn't run that hot, although some will tell you it's a good temp, it's not typical. Mostly 250-270 on a hot day. Check the clutch too it may be slipping a little too much, and it sounds silly but make sure the throttle is physically opening up just shy of fully open. Leave a little wiggle room there for jumps and so on.

shimano 07-02-2012 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by aussies1129 (Post 10924397)
17007
I just put some tko ceramics in mine
7x19x6 front
14x25.8x6 rear
at about the 5 ltr mark still on the rich side temping about 220 so far so good:)
my local supplier here has got another set if you want?
cheers

Are the ceramics a hassle to keep clean, what type of maintainace do you expect to have to do. Our track is quite dusty.

aznitronut 07-02-2012 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Som3R3tard (Post 10927026)
Hey guys got a 21+7fms with a dynamite 053mr. Ambient air temp was 105. Motor came off track at 295. Seems like it didn't have that much top end speed. I couldn't keep up with the ninja or bullet motors on the straights. What should I do? Motor might have 2gallons on it. Seems to still have compression even when hot. Thanks in advance

Try a different pipe would help also, 053, is a bottom end pipe, try 9901or 2096, either will make a big difference.

omarwashington 07-02-2012 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by aussies1129 (Post 10924397)
17007
I just put some tko ceramics in mine
7x19x6 front
14x25.8x6 rear
at about the 5 ltr mark still on the rich side temping about 220 so far so good:)
my local supplier here has got another set if you want?
cheers

was going to ask a similar question but I take it that the 7x19x6 TKO and Boca front bearing will work despite the nova size says 7x19x6.3?

houston 07-02-2012 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by omarwashington (Post 10929265)
was going to ask a similar question but I take it that the 7x19x6 TKO and Boca front bearing will work despite the nova size says 7x19x6.3?

99.9% of all front bearings are 7x19x6mm on the o.d. , nova 17011 are 7x19x6x6.3mm and the 6.3mm is that the inner race is stepped out to provide extra room for the two seals that are on the outboard side of the bearing and so there is no need for washers behind the collet on most all factory clutch systems

tippy606 07-02-2012 05:48 PM

toro nero
 
hi iv been looking for parts for a toro nero engine and i cant find them anywere. and is there a engine made by novarossi that has compatible parts with the toro nero. mainly looking for a piston and sleeve.

kgombe 07-02-2012 05:57 PM

Check Houston engine services

Or

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Novarossi-To...item43aa66146c

tippy606 07-02-2012 06:16 PM

i was hopping to jsut be able to buy piston because im a bit low on money

houston 07-02-2012 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by tippy606 (Post 10930367)
i was hopping to jsut be able to buy piston because im a bit low on money

That wont happen anywhere , guaranteed

They are matched as a precision matched set at the factory

You have a pm, private message in your upper right hand corner

Som3R3tard 07-02-2012 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by Som3R3tard (Post 10927026)
Hey guys got a 21+7fms with a dynamite 053mr. Ambient air temp was 105. Motor came off track at 295. Seems like it didn't have that much top end speed. I couldn't keep up with the ninja or bullet motors on the straights. What should I do? Motor might have 2gallons on it. Seems to still have compression even when hot. Thanks in advance

Just checked clutch bell and spur gear. 13/50 is the combo currently in the truggy. Venturi is 6.5 is that about right? M2c 4 shoe with 1.05 springs. the high speed is about 1 and a half turns from flush right now. If i richen up the high side will i will need to lean the low side ?


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