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Werks 02-12-2010 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by hdcruzer (Post 6998209)
Toughtrax: Just to let you know alls Ive ever ran in either of my B5s is Odonnells. Ive never had a problem. Spools up just as fast as any of them,and Im getting 12 min run times. Alls Ive ever used for plugs in my B5s are Odonnells. As Ron said any top shelf fuel will work fine. Alot of the guys I run with use the byrons also. Lot them run Werks also. Basically its what you can get when you can get it. Just make sure its 30% and you should be fine.


Any fuel will burn. If you are looking for a true high performance racing fuel then there are products available that offer significant gains over what you are using. About 5 years ago we most of the OD team switched to our fuel including Kortz, Marty Korn and Chad Bradley (and being a much smaller company I can tell you they did not switch for the money). I'm very familiar with their product and the statement that it spools just as fast as anything out there is simply not correct. In early dyno testing when we were developing our fuel we saw nearly a 40% reduction in spool time back to back with the same engine on our fuel versus OD. This was without changing deck height which would have made a more noticable gain (and you can run significantly lower with ours versus OD). So...please be careful about the statements unless you have actual test results. The point. I was trying to make though is that any fuel will work to power your engine, it's just a question of how far you want to go to make sure that your engine offers the best performance.

Regards,

Ron

Slimsh8t 02-12-2010 08:26 PM

Hey guys I am just starting out with this nitro stuff and I just built my new truggy. I am wanting to install my new Werks B5 motor but I cant get the carb to seat all the way in:confused:I know call me retarded but there is a small gap and I dont want to screw anything up. Please help

Slimsh8t 02-12-2010 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Werks (Post 6998671)
Any fuel will burn. If you are looking for a true high performance racing fuel then there are products available that offer significant gains over what you are using. About 5 years ago we most of the OD team switched to our fuel including Kortz, Marty Korn and Chad Bradley (and being a much smaller company I can tell you they did not switch for the money). I'm very familiar with their product and the statement that it spools just as fast as anything out there is simply not correct. In early dyno testing when we were developing our fuel we saw nearly a 40% reduction in spool time back to back with the same engine on our fuel versus OD. This was without changing deck height which would have made a more noticable gain (and you can run significantly lower with ours versus OD). So...please be careful about the statements unless you have actual test results. The point. I was trying to make though is that any fuel will work to power your engine, it's just a question of how far you want to go to make sure that your engine offers the best performance.

Regards,

Ron

PM Ron

Werks 02-12-2010 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by Slimsh8t (Post 6998700)
PM Ron

Sent you one back. In a nutshell you can run with the thin o-ring at the base of the carb which causes a small 0.5mm or so gap but gives a second seal or you can simply remove it as there is already an o-ring in the case. Your choice and both ways work just fine. Let me know if you have any other questions n welcome to the wonderful world of nitro, your going to have a blast!

Regards,

Ron

RC-ZOMBIE 02-12-2010 09:25 PM

How much total oil content is in 30% werks fuel? and is it a castor/syn blend?

dishsoap 02-12-2010 10:02 PM

Man

I think I am going to pick up 2 of these engines so that my son and I run the same mill.

Was thinking the plus 4 but the reviews on this thread is whats telling me to go with the B5.

We would be switching from and extech and a nova limited

Slimsh8t 02-12-2010 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Werks (Post 6998789)
Sent you one back. In a nutshell you can run with the thin o-ring at the base of the carb which causes a small 0.5mm or so gap but gives a second seal or you can simply remove it as there is already an o-ring in the case. Your choice and both ways work just fine. Let me know if you have any other questions n welcome to the wonderful world of nitro, your going to have a blast!

Regards,

Ron

Thanks Ron! Your the man

Werks 02-12-2010 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by RC-ZOMBIE (Post 6998856)
How much total oil content is in 30% werks fuel? and is it a castor/syn blend?

Our fuel uses a combination of castor and synthetic. For the rest we don't disclose anything about the ratio or total oil content. Sufice to say we spent a lot of time developing our fuel and testing lubricants. When we first started developing our fuel we were only an engine manufacturer. We developed our fuel so that our team guys who ran for a lot of different fuel companies back in the days could use one fuel (that they put in the bottle of the fuel company that was sponsoring them) so that we could set up our engines engines consistently (same deck n squish). So when we made our fuel we took a cost is no concern approach (because we did not care about selling it (because we did not sell fuel then) only our engines winning). Becuase of this we used some realy, realy high end (read expensive) lubricants that no one else in the industry is using. After a while people at the tracks started to get wise to this because our fuel has a pretty unique smell and started asking about it, so the cat was kinda out of the bag. This led us to start selling it. At that time we were the only engine manufacturer actualy making fuel (and we're still one of the few) and what I would consider the first company to make a true "racing" fuel. I'm happy to say that this has forced other to step up their game and I would say that it also directly led to the release of the later generation of fuels such as Nitrotane, Byrons Gen II and the purple stuff from Sidewinder.

Even with all of that we are in a very unique position in that we are again one or the only fuel manufacturers that actualy makes engines. So needless to say this gives us a little bit of a better idea on what the fuel actualy needs to do lol! Plus when we were developing it we were importers for several engine lines including Picco and Collari Motorsport. This gave us acces to something few have, the minds of some of the best motor developers in the industry to bounce ideas off of including Alberto Picco, Andrea Rossi, Lamberto and Mauro Collari etc. etc. When it comes to fuel (and engines) information is truely key and being able to discuss things with people like this is worth it's weight in gold. In any case this allowed us to develop about 5 years ago a fuel that I still think is unmatched in performance and protection. To give you some idea we just picked up Travis Phillips, a regional fast guy a month or two ago who running for Byrons. Switchbg fuels he pcked up over 45 seconds additional run time with our versus Byrons Gen II. This was without further optimization of the engine (through deck height etc), just switching fuels and re-tuning. I'm not even mentioning the difference in throttle responce etc.

So again it realy depends on what you are looking for from a performance stand point. Any fuel will burn but if you are looking for that edge them everything matters. And if you are racing any edge is important. You play with tires, you play with car set ups, you buy high end racing engines, you test a mutitude of pipes, do you realy think that all of that makes a difference but the stuff that actualy powers your engine does not lol? Just a little sometuig to think about ;-)

Regards,

Ron

Werks 02-12-2010 11:51 PM


Originally Posted by dishsoap (Post 6998991)
Man

I think I am going to pick up 2 of these engines so that my son and I run the same mill.

Was thinking the plus 4 but the reviews on this thread is whats telling me to go with the B5.

We would be switching from and extech and a nova limited

Dishsoap, thanks for considering giving our engines a shot! The B5 is a solid product and in addition to me there is a solid group of guys on here who are running the engines and provide a wealth of knowledge to everyone which I'm realy thankfull for! Let us know if you do decide to come on board and please let me know what your thoughts are once you get a chance to run a B5. I highly doubt that you will be dissapointed as I think from a price performnce standpoint there is nothing that cantouch the B5 at the moment!

Regards,

Ron

smitty2802 02-13-2010 01:17 AM

Ron- sent you an e-mail.

Thanks,
-DC-

Werks 02-13-2010 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by smitty2802 (Post 6999364)
Ron- sent you an e-mail.

Thanks,
-DC-

Ok, I'm heading out of town for the weekend but I'll try to get to it before I take off in the morning.

smitty2802 02-13-2010 01:45 AM

No rush... just get it when you come back

Thanks,
-DC-

Werks 02-13-2010 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by smitty2802 (Post 6999404)
No rush... just get it when you come back

Thanks,
-DC-


Got to it before I split, you have an e-mail back.

Regards,

Ron

RC-ZOMBIE 02-13-2010 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Werks (Post 6999186)
Our fuel uses a combination of castor and synthetic. For the rest we don't disclose anything about the ratio or total oil content. Sufice to say we spent a lot of time developing our fuel and testing lubricants. When we first started developing our fuel we were only an engine manufacturer. We developed our fuel so that our team guys who ran for a lot of different fuel companies back in the days could use one fuel (that they put in the bottle of the fuel company that was sponsoring them) so that we could set up our engines engines consistently (same deck n squish). So when we made our fuel we took a cost is no concern approach (because we did not care about selling it (because we did not sell fuel then) only our engines winning). Becuase of this we used some realy, realy high end (read expensive) lubricants that no one else in the industry is using. After a while people at the tracks started to get wise to this because our fuel has a pretty unique smell and started asking about it, so the cat was kinda out of the bag. This led us to start selling it. At that time we were the only engine manufacturer actualy making fuel (and we're still one of the few) and what I would consider the first company to make a true "racing" fuel. I'm happy to say that this has forced other to step up their game and I would say that it also directly led to the release of the later generation of fuels such as Nitrotane, Byrons Gen II and the purple stuff from Sidewinder.

Even with all of that we are in a very unique position in that we are again one or the only fuel manufacturers that actualy makes engines. So needless to say this gives us a little bit of a better idea on what the fuel actualy needs to do lol! Plus when we were developing it we were importers for several engine lines including Picco and Collari Motorsport. This gave us acces to something few have, the minds of some of the best motor developers in the industry to bounce ideas off of including Alberto Picco, Andrea Rossi, Lamberto and Mauro Collari etc. etc. When it comes to fuel (and engines) information is truely key and being able to discuss things with people like this is worth it's weight in gold. In any case this allowed us to develop about 5 years ago a fuel that I still think is unmatched in performance and protection. To give you some idea we just picked up Travis Phillips, a regional fast guy a month or two ago who running for Byrons. Switchbg fuels he pcked up over 45 seconds additional run time with our versus Byrons Gen II. This was without further optimization of the engine (through deck height etc), just switching fuels and re-tuning. I'm not even mentioning the difference in throttle responce etc.

So again it realy depends on what you are looking for from a performance stand point. Any fuel will burn but if you are looking for that edge them everything matters. And if you are racing any edge is important. You play with tires, you play with car set ups, you buy high end racing engines, you test a mutitude of pipes, do you realy think that all of that makes a difference but the stuff that actualy powers your engine does not lol? Just a little sometuig to think about ;-)

Regards,

Ron

Thanks ron, I was concerned it was all synthetic. I like at least some castor in my fuel.

RC-ZOMBIE 02-13-2010 12:01 PM

Ron, shot you a PM


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