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NitroKiwi 04-19-2011 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by Chris Peralta (Post 8985917)
I would leave that extra shim till it finishes breaking in. Then try pulling the shim out and run like half a tank and then pull the cooling head off and check to ensure there is no detonation or small pit's on the piston or button. I have seen a lot of people in here post that they run stock shims with 30% at sea level, but I have never been at sea level to try it myself.

The 2045 is a good pipe for the engine to help it get the best possible run time. If you really want to see it scream try an 086 pipe on it.

Is this the bugger? http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...A-086-Polished


Originally Posted by Sarky (Post 8985936)
30% at sea level doesn't normally request an extra shim. For break in it's ok, but for maximum performance, it would be better to pull it out

Enjoy your new ride!

Thank you both!

Chris Peralta 04-19-2011 08:55 AM

That 086 pipe is very old school, that will not connect to your current header with the springs like it should. I have not seen an 86 RB pipe in quite some time... Novarossi makes a 9886 that will work good for it. Dynamite has an 086 but I think the Nova one performs a little better. You will notice a drop in fuel economy with the 86 pipe tho.

rbeamj 04-19-2011 11:43 AM

Clutch with RB engines.


I know that historically RB engines really liked a late clutch such as 1.1 springs and carbon shoes.

With the newer RB engines, such as the B11 or Shark 10, what would be a good starting point for the Ascendency clutch on these engines?

Chris Peralta 04-19-2011 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by rbeamj (Post 8987304)
Clutch with RB engines.


I know that historically RB engines really liked a late clutch such as 1.1 springs and carbon shoes.

With the newer RB engines, such as the B11 or Shark 10, what would be a good starting point for the Ascendency clutch on these engines?


That stiff clutch setup was with the square stroke engines and the older heavy cars of the past. I run a JQ car with a B11 and Ascendancy clutch, I use the steel flywheel with 2x .9 springs on carbon shoes and 2x 1.0 springs on Alum shoes with the stock gearing... My car accelerates very very well and I have never felt I needed to get more snap out of the engine.

I also have the X11 and that has the exact same clutch setup and it too has more than enough punch. If you end up on a super high bite track you may want to try the 1.1 springs on the alum shoes and the 1.0's on the carbons but I could not see myself needing it honestly.

Also with that steel flywheel your clutch shoes last a long time!!!!

Ambros303 04-19-2011 01:25 PM

Speaking of the new F11...how is that engine? I've heard a couple of times already it's a good truggy engine. Same power as the B11 then?
It has a reasonable price tag from what i've seen.

Chris Peralta 04-19-2011 01:48 PM

I have not ran the F11 myself, but I think I finally have my B11 and X11 fully broken in for the season so I will get an F11 next to try out. From what I understand it should be more powerful than the B11 tho.

NitroKiwi 04-19-2011 05:56 PM

Ok, last question from me. When should I replace the rod on the WS9. After 2 gallons or about now?

Sarky 04-20-2011 06:32 AM

Normally, you don't have to replace the conrod. Our engines are design to last very long. I have a B11 that did a bit more than 5 gallons without changing anything! There is not so much compression now, but the bearings are still fine, same as the conrod!

Sarky 04-20-2011 06:34 AM

The F11 is definitively a monster!! On the truck, we are always a bit struggling because of the weight of the car. But with this one dude, you will fly!! I ran Silverstate with this engine on my truck, and even with the 7 ports sleeve and aggressive crank, I could go over 11 minutes!!

aznitronut 04-20-2011 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by NitroKiwi (Post 8989041)
Ok, last question from me. When should I replace the rod on the WS9. After 2 gallons or about now?

I would suggest you go with a colder plug also, that OS P3 is very hot, and will make the engine run hotter also, you could try the P5 or the P7 OS plug, or even with the Odonnell 97 plug, they work well with the RB engines.

Rick57 04-20-2011 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Peralta (Post 8986562)
That 086 pipe is very old school, that will not connect to your current header with the springs like it should. I have not seen an 86 RB pipe in quite some time... Novarossi makes a 9886 that will work good for it. Dynamite has an 086 but I think the Nova one performs a little better. You will notice a drop in fuel economy with the 86 pipe tho.

What header pipe would you recommend with the 9886 for a WS7 III. I have a RB 198, 192, and a Novarossi 41021. My current setup is the RB 2045 with the 192 header. Would a 9886 give even more top end than the 2045/192?

Chris Peralta 04-20-2011 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Rick57 (Post 8994009)
What header pipe would you recommend with the 9886 for a WS7 III. I have a RB 198, 192, and a Novarossi 41021. My current setup is the RB 2045 with the 192 header. Would a 9886 give even more top end than the 2045/192?


When I ran a WS7 I always liked the 9886/198 combo to get good bottom end, but it still had more top end pull than I could use on most straights. I am pretty sure the RB headers back then were also closer to the shape of that 41021 Nova header you have so you should give that a try since you have it. You will notice a decline in fuel economy with the 9886, but it will make more power than the 2045 with about the same bottom end but more top end!

sand geek 04-20-2011 06:42 PM

I am running a rb c6 engine in my mbx6. I have the 2045 pipe, which header should I use that will also fit in the mbx6 chassis.

Chris Peralta 04-20-2011 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by sand geek (Post 8994847)
I am running a rb c6 engine in my mbx6. I have the 2045 pipe, which header should I use that will also fit in the mbx6 chassis.

01353-192P is the compact header that was made to fit the MBX-6.

01353-198P 01353-204P these are also the compact headers and will work if you want some extra bottom end.

sand geek 04-20-2011 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Peralta (Post 8994928)
01353-192P is the compact header that was made to fit the MBX-6.

01353-198P 01353-204P these are also the compact headers and will work if you want some extra bottom end.

thanks!

underway 04-21-2011 11:24 AM

Anyone use the RB starterbox? My Ofna truggy box just died after 5 years and I need a new box. Does the RB have the torque to turn over new engines and not shred the wheel? Thanks!

Julie -RB USA 04-21-2011 03:43 PM

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You will see, we are doing our Inventory Clearance so find our 2010 products on this website. That's cheaper!!

That's only the beginning for the webshop we will put also engines with pipe.

Please let me know if you have any question!!!

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GarrettMcKamie 04-21-2011 07:20 PM

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I will be at the Georgia Championship Series this weekend if anyone wants to come take a look at the killer 10 first hand. Finally broken in all the way...:)

Nick411 04-21-2011 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by Sarky (Post 8963801)
Hi guys

I always run 7.5mm reducer on my truck and 7mm on the buggy. The truck needs more power because of the weight, and I always feel that we pull to much on a buggy engine. I think you should try the F11 which is a 7ports on the truck, it's a monster! For about $280 street price, don't wait any longer!!!
Also, I use the oval restrictors on my cars to give more torque and better fuel mileage!

http://www.rbproducts.com/mainEn.php...duit=02011-001
http://www.neobuggy.net/images/News/rboval.jpg

Just got mine in the mail today, man are these works of art!!! Can't wait to try them out tomorrow, will let you guys know how they perform.

Chris Peralta 04-22-2011 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by Nick411 (Post 9000490)
Just got mine in the mail today, man are these works of art!!! Can't wait to try them out tomorrow, will let you guys know how they perform.

NICE!!! I should get mine today, so it will probably snow tonight.

REARSPROCKET 04-22-2011 09:12 AM

Quick question what is the most powerful RB .12turbo engine with a Std. crank? The V12 000420? Thanks

nitrojamie 04-22-2011 05:16 PM

New tune pipe 2087?
 
Hey guys and gals has anyone got the new tunepipe i think its the 2087 and if so hav ya seen any improvement in fuel econamy and will it give any of the older engines more econamy like the C5 C6 shark9.
Cheers for any feedback

Jamie

jmoneym 04-22-2011 06:12 PM

if anyone looking for new B9 with used 2045 pipe. $300 shipped
[email protected]
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93...m/a44f619c.jpg

Nick411 04-22-2011 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Peralta (Post 9001939)
NICE!!! I should get mine today, so it will probably snow tonight.

These things are AMAZING!!!!!!

I noticed a bit of increase in torque, but it is so much smoother and run time did increase slightly (7.5min-ish to 8min on a break in tune). I am never going back to the normal ones EVER!!!!

In my mind, the best new innovation since the silicone filled crank. :nod:

Nick411 04-23-2011 01:59 PM

So as i was doing some post practice day maintenance, i noticed that the air inlet tube was torn, so i took it apart and there was a bit of dirt on the ventury, i opened the motor up and there was a small amount of what seemed to be like sludge on the piston, so i cleaned it out with motor spray and everything seemed fine until i checked the pinch, i can turn the motor over by hand but there is still some pinch, the worrying thing is that this motor is only about 3/4 of a gallon old.:cry::cry::cry:

Is this motor ruined or is it still good?:confused:

Midnight 04-23-2011 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Nick411 (Post 9007469)
So as i was doing some post practice day maintenance, i noticed that the air inlet tube was torn, so i took it apart and there was a bit of dirt on the ventury, i opened the motor up and there was a small amount of what seemed to be like sludge on the piston, so i cleaned it out with motor spray and everything seemed fine until i checked the pinch, i can turn the motor over by hand but there is still some pinch, the worrying thing is that this motor is only about 3/4 of a gallon old.:cry::cry::cry:

Is this motor ruined or is it still good?:confused:

I would say yeah. It only takes a small amount of debris to ruin a piston and sleeve. Once u run it and get it up to temp u will notice the tune will be off and it will run hot.

Nick411 04-23-2011 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 9007568)
I would say yeah. It only takes a small amount of debris to ruin a piston and sleeve. Once u run it and get it up to temp u will notice the tune will be off and it will run hot.

But that's the not so worrying part about it, i have to idea when in the day it happened and it was idling fine and holding the tune all day long with no problems.

Dirtdobber 04-23-2011 06:26 PM

A worn out piston and sleeve will usually run fine when first started but will not want to idle or have any torque when at temp. If it runs fine...don't worry about it.

Nick411 04-23-2011 07:24 PM

I took it apart cleaned it, put it back together and idled it for a 1/4 tank and everything is looking fine, but the real test will be tomorrow to see if it holds a tune when i'm at the track. I'm pretty sure it will be fine cause the idling was so smooth that all that probably happened was the brake in process was speeded up :lol: But the rear bearing did look like it had seen better days so i am ordering a new one for good measure, i'd rather replace it early that have it blow.

Chris Peralta 04-23-2011 08:49 PM

Did you pull the engine all the way apart? As in remove the carb and crankshaft and everything from the block? Tear it down like that and flush it our with some fuel, blow it out wiht a compressor, and flush with fuel again. That fine dust gets in places you would not imagine, and if you go and run it tomorow with some debris still in there you could finish off the engine for good.

After you flush it all out hold the block to your ear and turn the bearings with your finger, if it sounds crunchy or gritty you may not want to run too much. You can pull the bearings out and clean them up, but best to replace them.

Chris Peralta 04-23-2011 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by nitrojamie (Post 9003900)
Hey guys and gals has anyone got the new tunepipe i think its the 2087 and if so hav ya seen any improvement in fuel econamy and will it give any of the older engines more econamy like the C5 C6 shark9.
Cheers for any feedback

Jamie

I seem to get about 30-45 seconds more run time with the 2087 over the 2045. I like the power of it more too, it seems to make more torque but is still very very smooth.

Nick411 04-23-2011 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Peralta (Post 9008952)
Did you pull the engine all the way apart? As in remove the carb and crankshaft and everything from the block? Tear it down like that and flush it our with some fuel, blow it out wiht a compressor, and flush with fuel again. That fine dust gets in places you would not imagine, and if you go and run it tomorow with some debris still in there you could finish off the engine for good.

After you flush it all out hold the block to your ear and turn the bearings with your finger, if it sounds crunchy or gritty you may not want to run too much. You can pull the bearings out and clean them up, but best to replace them.

Yes i did pull it all the way apart, but i used soapy water, brake cleaner, compresed air and WD40. The front bearing is still like new but the rear looked and felt like it would only last about another gallon or so, so i have a rear on order, should be here in a week or 2.

nitrojamie 04-24-2011 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Peralta (Post 9008973)
I seem to get about 30-45 seconds more run time with the 2087 over the 2045. I like the power of it more too, it seems to make more torque but is still very very smooth.

Thanx chris so it is better and i geuss with the better power band you could get even more eco depending on driving style.Which engine were you using it on as im told it works best with the B11 cheers.

jamie

Midnight 04-24-2011 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Peralta (Post 9008973)
I seem to get about 30-45 seconds more run time with the 2087 over the 2045. I like the power of it more too, it seems to make more torque but is still very very smooth.

Is this for buggy or truggy. Also what header

Chris Peralta 04-24-2011 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 9012029)
Is this for buggy or truggy. Also what header


I have only ran it in buggy so far, and with the 192 header. I have one to run in my truck so I will try that next weekend with the 198 header to start.

TIX 04-29-2011 06:29 AM

What are the factory needle settings for a c6/b10

Sarky 04-29-2011 06:41 AM

Hello Tix

The factory settings of your engine are:
Main needle: 3.5 turns out from closed
Bottom needle: 5 turns out from closed
Idle needle : 4 turns out from closed

These are just factory settings, and the final tuning will of course depend on the fuel, the plug, the clutch etc.

Chris Peralta 04-29-2011 07:55 AM

Also on the LSN and Idle screw make sure you have the throttle opened up ALL the way before you screw them all the way in. If you screw the LSN all the way in with the throttle slide closed you could very well damage the needle.

Nick411 04-29-2011 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by Sarky (Post 9036363)
These are just factory settings, and the final tuning will of course depend on the fuel, the plug, the clutch etc.

+1 On my shark 10 the factory settings were about 1.5 turns too rich on all needles to even start. With my fuel, plug, cluch and driving style i'm getting 13min on a tank :nod: and my track is like the Neo11 track.

TIX 04-29-2011 10:18 PM

thanks reno and chris
it been a long time since i rebuilt one of these rather than buying a new one


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