52LikesEuropean 2wd 1/8th pan car on-road Classic class
08-30-2012, 05:44 AM
#1891
Tech Regular
Works for me, fire when ready. I'm running 35 percent (until you tell me that's too much or something in which case I'll change.) The car handled like a dream, just didn't have the oomph needed to get the job done. Carb was tuned pretty well and my gearing seemed on the money, just no pop out of the motor with the current shim. Beyond that, I have eight plugs left, so give me an idea on shim and I'll try it and hope I figure it out by plug number seven![/QUOTE]
35% Nitro is OK but most have dropped to 25% for extra mileage , for that nitro percantage you'll need around .030" to .032" gap at the squish band for current Nova motors , checked with solder or an indicator making sure to do the correct math compenasating for the pison bowl. FYI lack of punch could also be greatly affected by header length , pipe type , clutch setting and of course carb tuning.
35% Nitro is OK but most have dropped to 25% for extra mileage , for that nitro percantage you'll need around .030" to .032" gap at the squish band for current Nova motors , checked with solder or an indicator making sure to do the correct math compenasating for the pison bowl. FYI lack of punch could also be greatly affected by header length , pipe type , clutch setting and of course carb tuning.
08-30-2012, 05:48 AM
#1892
08-30-2012, 05:55 AM
#1893
Thank you sir
Works for me, fire when ready. I'm running 35 percent (until you tell me that's too much or something in which case I'll change.) The car handled like a dream, just didn't have the oomph needed to get the job done. Carb was tuned pretty well and my gearing seemed on the money, just no pop out of the motor with the current shim. Beyond that, I have eight plugs left, so give me an idea on shim and I'll try it and hope I figure it out by plug number seven!
I'll start with that and go from there. The way it is now, it's a little like merging onto the highway with a four banger and everyone else has a 360. I think it's a good bullet, just needs some tweakage to it. We also discovered that S&H makes a great engine but a lousy carb (Tom's car) and are addressing that as well. That engine Dave has on his (Vox) is a real screamer and were I less stubborn, I'd have just bought that one off Lon, but since my engine is fairly new as well I want to give it a chance before I write it off and move on.
08-30-2012, 06:11 AM
#1894
Newer MRP
I understand the guy that originally made these is alive and kicking and hanging around on Sgrid somewhere. Someone ought to talk him into reproducing the thing...it had its faults but it was very inexpensive, could go very fast, and was a good contender in super stock back in the day.
08-30-2012, 06:20 AM
#1895
What I did best with
The Super Eagle. I did pretty well with this thing in the Midwest Series, but then again, it was so durable and easy to drive that it practically drove itself. Sweet, sweet ride. Out of all the crap I'm going to sell this year, I'm keeping one of these...seems like the longer I have something the harder it is to get rid of it, and I've got a house and garage full of stuff like that. Got a pretty good coin collection but that doesn't take up much space (doesn't go as fast down the backstraight either but worth a hell of a lot more.)
08-30-2012, 06:28 AM
#1896
Thorp
Wish I had an idea of what this thing is worth, and still wondering what ROAR had against it. Way back, there was a rule in pan, no variable speed...and there was only one car it applied to. I think it was way ahead of its time, and the concept makes more sense to me than multiple gears, plus a 4wd setup in the fashion of how Kyosho did it makes a lot of sense to me as well. Granted, I still have doubts on the piano wire suspension (I think Serpents first car had that as well, mounted in plastic pieces, and it sucked) but the drive part was and is a really good idea, setup is a snap, belt replacement very easy, and a good looking car, all in all.
08-30-2012, 06:34 AM
#1897
Tech Regular
Works for me, fire when ready. I'm running 35 percent (until you tell me that's too much or something in which case I'll change.) The car handled like a dream, just didn't have the oomph needed to get the job done. Carb was tuned pretty well and my gearing seemed on the money, just no pop out of the motor with the current shim. Beyond that, I have eight plugs left, so give me an idea on shim and I'll try it and hope I figure it out by plug number seven![/QUOTE]
35% Nitro is OK but most have dropped to 25% for extra mileage , for that nitro percantage you'll need around .030" to .032" gap at the squish band for current Nova motors , checked with solder or an indicator making sure to do the correct math compenasating for the piston bowl. FYI lack of punch could also be greatly affected by header length , pipe type , clutch setting and of course carb tuning.
35% Nitro is OK but most have dropped to 25% for extra mileage , for that nitro percantage you'll need around .030" to .032" gap at the squish band for current Nova motors , checked with solder or an indicator making sure to do the correct math compenasating for the piston bowl. FYI lack of punch could also be greatly affected by header length , pipe type , clutch setting and of course carb tuning.
08-30-2012, 06:37 AM
#1898
The Delta P4
Gee, but the Delta and the RC500 looked a lot alike in the rear end....fuel tank looked similar too, wonder how that happened...lol. As I hear, we all stole the 4wd idea from the Columbia, and Associated ran Delta tanks...and why not, if a thing works. One thing they did do was change the tank later to incorporate an external spring, seems those quick refuellers would sometimes snap the internal spring and I remember Re-Pete Fusco doing badly at the Winternats one year for just that reason. This thing was as durable as they come but I still shudder a little at the thought of rear belt replacement.
08-30-2012, 06:41 AM
#1899
Tech Regular
Wish I had an idea of what this thing is worth, and still wondering what ROAR had against it. Way back, there was a rule in pan, no variable speed...and there was only one car it applied to. I think it was way ahead of its time, and the concept makes more sense to me than multiple gears, plus a 4wd setup in the fashion of how Kyosho did it makes a lot of sense to me as well. Granted, I still have doubts on the piano wire suspension (I think Serpents first car had that as well, mounted in plastic pieces, and it sucked) but the drive part was and is a really good idea, setup is a snap, belt replacement very easy, and a good looking car, all in all.
08-30-2012, 06:45 AM
#1900
Catch all
A few extra pics and details I didn't get in before. That engine on the 180 has a McCoy crank, piston and rod, they look a little heavier than what I have in my '98 Ford Windstar.
MRP did have a pretty good idea with being able to change the deck height for the rear pod, so you could run big, new tires and still get the car down to the ground....but don't forget to change it later when the tires wear down unless you think you'll get good traction riding on the gear.
The Jerobee setup on the older MRP is pretty slick. Didn't leave you too many options on fuel tank placement, but the thing worked. Roy Moody was running this setup long after everyone else had changed to something else, and still doing pretty well with it. Of course, I still like my '53 Kaiser Manhattan too, but newer stuff like air, cruise, and radio are nifty options for those not content with stoneage tech.
MRP did have a pretty good idea with being able to change the deck height for the rear pod, so you could run big, new tires and still get the car down to the ground....but don't forget to change it later when the tires wear down unless you think you'll get good traction riding on the gear.
The Jerobee setup on the older MRP is pretty slick. Didn't leave you too many options on fuel tank placement, but the thing worked. Roy Moody was running this setup long after everyone else had changed to something else, and still doing pretty well with it. Of course, I still like my '53 Kaiser Manhattan too, but newer stuff like air, cruise, and radio are nifty options for those not content with stoneage tech.
08-30-2012, 07:08 AM
#1901
Hmm
Phil - don't think there was ever any rule that prevented the Thorp car from competing , Dana Smeltzer was probably the last to compete successfully with the car , as motors became more powerful the belt breakage problem grew greater but from a distance it looked to me like the bigger problem was that the clutch / shift system raised the ratio too quickly and pulled the motor off the pipe.
08-30-2012, 09:01 AM
#1902
I'll start with that and go from there. The way it is now, it's a little like merging onto the highway with a four banger and everyone else has a 360. I think it's a good bullet, just needs some tweakage to it. We also discovered that S&H makes a great engine but a lousy carb (Tom's car) and are addressing that as well. That engine Dave has on his (Vox) is a real screamer and were I less stubborn, I'd have just bought that one off Lon, but since my engine is fairly new as well I want to give it a chance before I write it off and move on.
08-30-2012, 03:31 PM
#1903
Well
That's depressing to hear. I like the car a lot, but the clutch is crap, the directions are no help, and it's just enough unlike everything else that I can't use anyone elses setup to get it done. Frankly, I'm not sure how it works now, Rick threw me some guidance at Portage which made it to where it's not eating shoes and that was good enough for me. However, now that you've said that, I'll try tweaking it a little as well and see if it doesn't make an improvement. I had set Dave's clutch the same way and his car screamed, but he had a lot more engine than I do, I just assumed it was all in the shimmage....but I'll play with both and see where it gets me. After the end of this year, I plan to get Serpent clutches and start over.
08-30-2012, 10:25 PM
#1904
Just when I think I have something figured out on clutches, I DON'T!!! The real issue is there is no set in stone formula for setting up a clutch. Its just going to take time to learn it and figure out what makes it work the best.
08-31-2012, 02:52 PM
#1905
at the last club race we added some extra days, being middle aged i forgot the dates. please remind me