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Old 11-07-2003, 04:20 PM   #76
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Active in 200mm is not new. Although it was first used in 1:8th on-road in the mid 90's, I have been working on this for well over a year in 200mm and to be honest I believe the only reason Serpent went with this path is because they heard that another company was producing it for the Winter Nats and they are still sore about getting their asses well and truely whipped by BMT in the 90's when they failed to produce it for there cars back then.

After looking at the 3 pivotball hub carrier design incorporated in the new Serpent I will say that I believe they have messed up the design once again and the car will again be heavier than really need be. To have the whole wishbones and hubs moving to create the active toe requires a lot of extra parts which just add weight.

Looking forward to the Winter Nats.

I believe my system is more sound and
Some strong statements about a car you have never seen for real.
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Old 11-07-2003, 06:26 PM   #77
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Some strong statements about a car you have never seen for real.
Everytime new cars came up, this always happened from those who are not ready to let go what they have now.. even the same with the real automobile..

One thing for sure like couple of members have mentioned, if S710 fail, they will fall... That shouldn`t be the real case I bet..

Looks promising at a price with all those goodies.. all you have the proof is performance out of the box.
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Old 11-07-2003, 06:55 PM   #78
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now i am wondering..... is 710 really heavier than 705?

coz... the chasis is 4mm compared 3mm in 705.
then MODELLOR said 3 wishbone will make it more heavier.
then the pullies are bigger
then they add 3rd body pole


why they wanna use 4mm chassis instead of 3mm?

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It looks as if they are using a different plastic material also; they claim it to be stiffer. Traditionally, the stiffer the material, the lighter. The 705's plastic was VERY durable, mainly because it was so flexible. This is, so far, my only concern with the car, that the pieces COULD be brittle, or "tc3ish" as I call it.

Nevertheless, the 705 wasn't that heavy, at least mine wasn't, compared to other cars out there.

-The third wishbone should not be a concern, especially with alluminum pivot balls.

-The pullies will make no noticeable difference, especially since where the car appears to gain more teeth on one pulley it is losing them on another.

-3rd body post . That has to be the most advantageous 0.0000001 ounce (exaggerated, of course) piece possible. Its weight is minuscule enough to not even mention.

-It looks to have smaller bearings throughout.
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Old 11-07-2003, 07:02 PM   #79
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all you have the proof is performance out of the box.
Yeah... that is the only thing we should concern about.
So racer do not have to releasing all of their kungfu to find a good setup.

Performance Through Evolution !!
Hope this time they do the evolution process in the factory and by track testing (just like "evolution" said)
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Old 11-07-2003, 07:11 PM   #80
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It looks as if they are using a different plastic material also; they claim it to be stiffer. Traditionally, the stiffer the material, the lighter. The 705's plastic was VERY durable, mainly because it was so flexible.
How could that stiffer is ligther?? less molecules?

I believe the S705 material is already the hardest compare to others, mainly khyoso and mugen.. which where China and Taiwan made...
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Old 11-07-2003, 07:37 PM   #81
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How could that stiffer is ligther?? less molecules?

I believe the S705 material is already the hardest compare to others, mainly khyoso and mugen.. which where China and Taiwan made...
Whats wrong with Taiwan made?
Almost everything is made there today.

True serpent is not made there, but talk about quality
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Default Lots of talk

It looks like you serpent people finally have something to talk about.
I still cant believe they havent offered universals for the new car, if they do they should come with the car. NOT AN OPTION!
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Old 11-07-2003, 08:22 PM   #83
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Whats wrong with Taiwan made?
Almost everything is made there today.

True serpent is not made there, but talk about quality
Nothing wrong,

Basically Japan and or Europe has higher standard...

It would have been the same when purchasing TV for example, I prefer to buy Sonny or Panasonic and the japan made (within specific tipe) must be higher in price (that`s for sure with a reason beside labor cost), but somehow giving me more of a self convindence on its quality..

That`s my opinion..
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Old 11-07-2003, 08:28 PM   #84
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It looks like you serpent people finally have something to talk about.
I still cant believe they havent offered universals for the new car, if they do they should come with the car. NOT AN OPTION!
Hi, is it true that the new MTX3 will be out Feb`04?

Yes, universals would be nice as an addition.. better yet it comes with the kit
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Old 11-07-2003, 09:03 PM   #85
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Nothing wrong,

Basically Japan and or Europe has higher standard...

It would have been the same when purchasing TV for example, I prefer to buy Sonny or Panasonic and the japan made (within specific tipe) must be higher in price (that`s for sure with a reason beside labor cost), but somehow giving me more of a self convindence on its quality..

That`s my opinion..
Sony = Made in Japan Sonny = Made in Taiwan

Only JK...........
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Nothing wrong,

Basically Japan and or Europe has higher standard...

That may be true

but very very few cars are actually made there right now. I am talking about 1/10th touring cars.

If there is a car which is good and made in Japan, please let me know
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That may be true

but very very few cars are actually made there right now. I am talking about 1/10th touring cars.

If there is a car which is good and made in Japan, please let me know
in case you play EP.. you will be very happy with TRF414 performance and its duraliblity.. soon TRF415. In GP, I`m not sure which one but you should feel convidence driving mugen even they being produce in Taiwan but still under Japan specs.
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Sony = Made in Japan Sonny = Made in Taiwan

Only JK...........
Nope.. Sony mostly made in China. They recently built a plant there.. not subcon tough.. but stil the very high end model is made in Japan.. Furtherthough before I end this `off topic` discussion, they are one of my Japanese customers (for my realtime business field).

Anyone care to eplain more on how that re-active rear suspension works on S710?
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Sony = Made in Japan Sonny = Made in Taiwan

Only JK...........
We should start a new thread.... Sony 710 ???

Pyramid: in case you play EP.. you will be very happy with TRF414 performance and its duraliblity.. soon TRF415
... Im dying to wait for a GP car that handle just like 414. Hope this 710 will do.

As for re-active RR Susp. Im not pretty clear about this one. Is it like a "bump steer" condition in FR susp of 1/8 Buggy ?
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in case you play EP.. you will be very happy with TRF414 performance and its duraliblity.. soon TRF415. In GP, I`m not sure which one but you should feel convidence driving mugen even they being produce in Taiwan but still under Japan specs.
Haha
I dont play EP, but it will be cool to see them produce a competitive gas car eh
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