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MugenDrew 08-23-2011 09:02 AM

The bulk of the aluminum pieces you see on the car come from an extrusion. This cuts down on cnc time tremendously and greatly reduces scrap. Die sets to form the extrusion still have to be made. Think of the play dough toy where you put the dough in the chamber and then force it out of a thing and it makes spaghetti or a tube etc...

nazarc 08-23-2011 09:15 AM

This week should begin shipments MTX5 .... Mugen is 'ready for this?

Seisick 08-23-2011 09:32 AM

shipment to us dealers begins around 9/15,
street price in the us should be around $550. full parts support
will be ready for shipping also! manual will be available soon so for
those wanting to use titanium screws can check if the x4 kit can
be used!

nazarc 08-23-2011 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Seisick (Post 9563066)
shipment to us dealers begins around 9/15,
street price in the us should be around $550. full parts support
will be ready for shipping also! manual will be available soon so for
those wanting to use titanium screws can check if the x4 kit can
be used!

9/15?

On mugen Website, I read:

We have updated the pictures of our new 1/10 GP Touring Car MTX-5. Here you can get more detail pictures from the the following link! The expected shipping date will be around the end of August.

Seisick 08-23-2011 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by nazarc (Post 9563256)
9/15?

On mugen Website, I read:

We have updated the pictures of our new 1/10 GP Touring Car MTX-5. Here you can get more detail pictures from the the following link! The expected shipping date will be around the end of August.


indeed, shipping to distribuitors, and from distribuitors to dealers will be around 9/15 at least in USA so expect an additional week to arrive to your lhs and just to let you know backorders are being placed for the first batch!

nazarc 08-23-2011 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Seisick (Post 9563344)
indeed, shipping to distribuitors, and from distribuitors to dealers will be around 9/15 at least in USA so expect an additional week to arrive to your lhs and just to let you know backorders are being placed for the first batch!

Oh .. here ... I am in Italy :-) Schepis Model provider ;)

Francis M. 08-23-2011 11:41 AM

count down....

Bishop 08-23-2011 10:16 PM

Mid September seems to be the general word going around, at least that is for when we may get our "trembling with excitement" hands on them anyway...

TomB 08-24-2011 01:15 AM


Originally Posted by Bishop (Post 9561944)
I question the idea the alloy is cheaper to produce than the plastics, theories or not, when a replacement plastic bulkhead is costing $12, and the alloy more like $45, where is that theory holding water then?.


Look at all the electric cars, switch to alloy and carbon and the prices went through the roof, we are seeing the nitro cars not do the same (if you ignore Capricorn), but you can't avoid that the prices of the newer alloy parts 'are' more expensive, so someone has it wrong somewhere.

The increased cost of the baulkhead is probably the manufacturer making more money off us:lol: It doesn't cost anywhere near $45 for them to make that part, more like $5 at the most. Like MugenDrew said the parts are all extracted. we say "CNC'ed but this is wrong, you can see the cut marks on a CNC'ed part, whilst all RC alloy parts are smooth which implies they are extracted or made in a mould.

the reason car kits are more exxy now is that the consumer percieves a higher value in something that is filled with carbon fibre and bling alloy. It looks a million bucks, manufacturers know this, so they charge more.

We don't live in the dar ages, metal, especially common types like the ones used in RC aren't that exxy, we the consumers percieve it to be, so the manufacturers take advantage of this:lol: Don't believe the hype.

for example look at the old T1 xrays or the corallys of 8 or 9 years ago. They had carbon fibre, 7075 diff outdrives, kevlar belts and alloy baulkheads, they were no where near as expensive as most electric kits now, and they had the same amterial as the kits of today.

NikoRacing 08-24-2011 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by TomB (Post 9566545)
The increased cost of the baulkhead is probably the manufacturer making more money off us:lol: It doesn't cost anywhere near $45 for them to make that part, more like $5 at the most. Like MugenDrew said the parts are all extracted. we say "CNC'ed but this is wrong, you can see the cut marks on a CNC'ed part, whilst all RC alloy parts are smooth which implies they are extracted or made in a mould.

the reason car kits are more exxy now is that the consumer percieves a higher value in something that is filled with carbon fibre and bling alloy. It looks a million bucks, manufacturers know this, so they charge more.

We don't live in the dar ages, metal, especially common types like the ones used in RC aren't that exxy, we the consumers percieve it to be, so the manufacturers take advantage of this:lol: Don't believe the hype.

for example look at the old T1 xrays or the corallys of 8 or 9 years ago. They had carbon fibre, 7075 diff outdrives, kevlar belts and alloy baulkheads, they were no where near as expensive as most electric kits now, and they had the same amterial as the kits of today.

Saying that the parts are extracted is not correct. The parts comes from extracted material (a bar of aluminium) but then you have to CNC the part as you want to obtain a piece. This is the same process as the one used to obtain a rod or a piston for an engine. Parts are smooth because of the quality of the CNC process and the fact that part are brightened with other products that put the cnc marks away. ;)

Roelof 08-24-2011 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by NikoRacing (Post 9566835)
and the fact that part are brightened with other products that put the cnc marks away. ;)

Chemical polishing, my sponser has done this to some of his parts and yes, they are smooth.
The only thing what is cost efficient with using aluminium parts is that no mold has to be created or changed when a small change in the part has to be made. Just change the drawing and send it to the machine.

But indeed, everyone is saying that aluminium is cheaper but at the end we are paying a lot more.

MugenDrew 08-24-2011 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by NikoRacing (Post 9566835)
Saying that the parts are extracted is not correct. The parts comes from extracted material (a bar of aluminum) but then you have to CNC the part as you want to obtain a piece. This is the same process as the one used to obtain a rod or a piston for an engine. Parts are smooth because of the quality of the CNC process and the fact that part are brightened with other products that put the cnc marks away. ;)

Yes they are. Take a look at one side of a bulk head for the MRX-5. One side you will see milling marks, the other side you will see a grain that goes from one end to the other. The grain is formed from the saw cutting off the extrusion. After being cut off of the extrusion one side was milled flat to provide "zero". The part has all the holes and windows in it, it was extruded 90% complete. The only thing left is to drill and tap some holes for screws and hinge pins.
Rods are forged from billet. Pistons are either machined from billet or low pressure cast.

SebO 08-24-2011 06:21 AM

does anybody know how much the mtx5 will cost here in the EU? 500Euro?

nazarc 08-24-2011 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by SebO (Post 9567126)
does anybody know how much the mtx5 will cost here in the EU? 500Euro?

Typically the price is fixed at 499 € ... but I would expect a competitive price. Shopkeepers throw with offers car + engine ... why should not preordained.

JRGTR 08-24-2011 08:16 PM

countdown mode!!! my car is fully paid at my local hobbyshop!!!
can't wait to start running my new ride!!!:sneaky::tire:


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