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Hoyle33 04-29-2019 06:17 PM

Finally got everything for my kit, turn to page 1, and see that it says I should have Tamiya Instant Cement for rubber tires.

Is there a alternative to the Tamiya brand that works well so I don’t have to wait a month for it to arrive from Japan?

hobbyten 04-29-2019 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Hoyle33 (Post 15441073)
Finally got everything for my kit, turn to page 1, and see that it says I should have Tamiya Instant Cement for rubber tires.

Is there a alternative to the Tamiya brand that works well so I don’t have to wait a month for it to arrive from Japan?

SUPER GLUE!!!

proliteandsc 04-29-2019 08:35 PM

Get any tire glue. It will hold better. Don't forget to clean and scuff the rims and tires.

Hoyle33 05-01-2019 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Hoyle33 (Post 15437578)

What about the Hobbywing XR10 Justock Sensored Brushless ESC/SD G2.1 Motor Combo (17.5T) on Amain for $100?

Just got this motor and ESC in the mail, and I assumed that it would come with a 17.5 tooth pinion, which it did not. My TT-02 kit came with a 19 tooth pinion. Will this work?

Nerobro 05-01-2019 05:28 PM

How would you have a half tooth pinion?

Hoyle33 05-01-2019 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by Nerobro (Post 15442303)
How would you have a half tooth pinion?

Hmmm that’s a good point, I misunderstood what the 17.5T stands for. Will the 19 tooth pinion work?

Nerobro 05-01-2019 05:34 PM

yes, any pinion will "work". 17.5t is how many turns the motor is.

ebohon 05-01-2019 07:42 PM

Just got the TT02 to race in the upcoming TCS Pro spec class at TQ in May. I saw the class running at 702 last week and regretted not getting it sooner. Any of you running it by chance?

hobbyten 05-02-2019 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by ebohon (Post 15442353)
Just got the TT02 to race in the upcoming TCS Pro spec class at TQ in May. I saw the class running at 702 last week and regretted not getting it sooner. Any of you running it by chance?

Seems like quite a few are running the tt02 r or rr.

ebohon 05-02-2019 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by hobbyten (Post 15442504)
Seems like quite a few are running the tt02 r or rr.

I actually got the RR - seems like its the same as the R except for the blue chassis. It has all the main upgrades but I ordered a few more while staying within TCS rules, like the aluminum steering, motor heatsink, etc. To bad TCS doesn't allow the screw upgrade from the S... not so much for the weight savings but so that I don't have to use a Phillips screwdriver. I'll run this in our local USTG class to see if it is competitive. I'm very new to Tamiya in general. I know they have the 'pro' 419 chassis but that is to expensive for me since i'm in it mostly for fun and as a hobby. Hopefully this TT02 will be good enough to use in the USGT class.

r_torres 05-02-2019 11:08 PM

i just got a tt02 just to do some backyard drift bashing. ordered a diff lock. does it go to the front or the rear? i maybe also want to get into circuit racing? what are the benefits of the diff lock?

Bloke 05-02-2019 11:26 PM

Rear for drift, front for circuit.

nbTMM 05-02-2019 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by r_torres (Post 15443023)
i just got a tt02 just to do some backyard drift bashing. ordered a diff lock. does it go to the front or the rear? i maybe also want to get into circuit racing? what are the benefits of the diff lock?





With the standard 'open' gear diff, more power is sent to whichever wheel is easier to turn. So in low traction conditions it will send almost all the power to whichever wheel has less traction, making it spin faster, and minimal power is sent to the wheel with more traction. You're probably familiar with this when 2 wheel drive car does a burnout and only 1 wheel spins - this is because it has an open diff.

When you install the lock block both wheels turn at the same speed regardless of traction. So under low traction conditions the car is able to break traction at both wheels simultaneously. If you put heavy grease (e.g. tamiya AW grease) on the internal diff gears then you can achieve a 'limited slip' action which is somewhere between locked and open.

For drifting, you want to put the lock block in the rear and have the front diff as open as possible (minimal grease on gears). This will allow both rear wheels to break traction and the rear of the car to slide, meanwhile the front will spin 1 wheel and generate minimal forward traction which would otherwise cause the car to straighten up out of a slide.

For racing, you want to put the lock block in the front and have the rear open. This makes for a handling characteristic which tends to understeer rather than oversteer, making it easier to control. The car generally goes in whichever direction the front wheels are pointed and the rear does not easily slide since only 1 rear wheel will break traction if too much throttle is applied.

r_torres 05-05-2019 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by nbTMM (Post 15443030)
With the standard 'open' gear diff, more power is sent to whichever wheel is easier to turn. So in low traction conditions it will send almost all the power to whichever wheel has less traction, making it spin faster, and minimal power is sent to the wheel with more traction. You're probably familiar with this when 2 wheel drive car does a burnout and only 1 wheel spins - this is because it has an open diff.

When you install the lock block both wheels turn at the same speed regardless of traction. So under low traction conditions the car is able to break traction at both wheels simultaneously. If you put heavy grease (e.g. tamiya AW grease) on the internal diff gears then you can achieve a 'limited slip' action which is somewhere between locked and open.

For drifting, you want to put the lock block in the rear and have the front diff as open as possible (minimal grease on gears). This will allow both rear wheels to break traction and the rear of the car to slide, meanwhile the front will spin 1 wheel and generate minimal forward traction which would otherwise cause the car to straighten up out of a slide.

For racing, you want to put the lock block in the front and have the rear open. This makes for a handling characteristic which tends to understeer rather than oversteer, making it easier to control. The car generally goes in whichever direction the front wheels are pointed and the rear does not easily slide since only 1 rear wheel will break traction if too much throttle is applied.

thank you so much for the great information. can’t wait til the diff comes in. after watching all these videos on youtube, i think i’m more towards leaning to circuit racing. looks real fun.

dampers looks like the next mod for the tt02. anyone have suggestions? i was looking at the trf big bore dampers 42287. suggestions welcome.

snowmiu19 05-08-2019 06:22 PM

TT-02 Gear Diff. The pic seems like missing some parts? a cross pin and 2 more satellite gears?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...2e470ac2b8.jpg

Raman 05-08-2019 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by snowmiu19 (Post 15446296)
TT-02 Gear Diff. The pic seems like missing some parts? a cross pin and 2 more satellite gears?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...2e470ac2b8.jpg

nope that is the diff. You don’t necessarily need 4 satellite gears. You can choose to add them however

ebohon 05-09-2019 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Raman (Post 15446314)


nope that is the diff. You don’t necessarily need 4 satellite gears. You can choose to add them however

I just finished building mine and also thought it was missing two gears but I trusted the design and built it. Seems to work the same as those with four small satellite gears, like the tt01, m07, even X-ray. But why would you choose to add the second set?

MidwestRacer 05-09-2019 07:58 PM

I find it interesting the Oil filled diff has 2 gears but the stock non sealed diff has all 4? Granted the stock tt02 has plastic gears, but how much would it actually cost just to include the 2 gears and cross shaft?

wtcc 05-10-2019 10:32 AM

Just some dollars, not much. But I would not recommend this differential at all! It leaks badly, it isn‘t smooth at all, the metal gears dye the oil grey, it is the worst gear diff I have ever owned. If you have the chance, buy the 3racing gear diff for the TT02. No leaking and smooth running.

proliteandsc 05-10-2019 11:36 AM

Anyone know how to keep the stock aluminum pinion gear from wearing out? I can't change to a different kind. It has to be that one. Used kit tamiya grease on one car and real car synthetic bearing grease in another car. They both lasted about 6 races. Should I not use any grease?

Nerobro 05-10-2019 11:38 AM

They seem to not care... I'd just use another same size pinion. I run mine dry, and they last a lot more than 6 races.

Raman 05-10-2019 11:50 AM

Agree with Nerobro. There’s no need for grease on pinion.

rippen 05-11-2019 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by wtcc (Post 15447202)
Just some dollars, not much. But I would not recommend this differential at all! It leaks badly, it isn‘t smooth at all, the metal gears dye the oil grey, it is the worst gear diff I have ever owned. If you have the chance, buy the 3racing gear diff for the TT02. No leaking and smooth running.

3racing diffs are a much better option, mine are still leak free and running smooth

Raman 05-11-2019 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by wtcc (Post 15447202)
Just some dollars, not much. But I would not recommend this differential at all! It leaks badly, it isn‘t smooth at all, the metal gears dye the oil grey, it is the worst gear diff I have ever owned. If you have the chance, buy the 3racing gear diff for the TT02. No leaking and smooth running.

Come now .. those gears need breaking in .. the casting dates back to 1990s lol.. made out of unobtanium pot metal. ;)

They should not have included metal gears at all.. should have stuck to nylon, derlin like other kits

You probably can sub the internal gears from another kit. I need to get my hands on one to figure out which kit.

proliteandsc 05-11-2019 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Nerobro (Post 15447236)
They seem to not care... I'd just use another same size pinion. I run mine dry, and they last a lot more than 6 races.

What pitch are the gears?

Raman 05-11-2019 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by proliteandsc (Post 15447643)
What pitch are the gears?

they are Metric 48p gears.. not to be confused with standard 48p gears. Pretty unique to Tamiya

Airwave 05-11-2019 01:13 PM

Love the expression Metric 48p :-)

To be precise, the module is 0.4, so it is compatible without being compatible...

ebohon 05-12-2019 02:35 PM

What brand is 48p metric that will fit tamiya spurs? I need a 29t for my tt02 for Tcs but my LHS is out of stock. The other brands don’t specify metric or non-metric. Thanks!

Raman 05-12-2019 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by ebohon (Post 15448259)
What brand is 48p metric that will fit tamiya spurs? I need a 29t for my tt02 for Tcs but my LHS is out of stock. The other brands don’t specify metric or non-metric. Thanks!

none.. tamiya is the only one crazy enough to use it

1/8 IC Fan 05-12-2019 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by ebohon (Post 15448259)
What brand is 48p metric that will fit tamiya spurs? I need a 29t for my tt02 for Tcs but my LHS is out of stock. The other brands don’t specify metric or non-metric. Thanks!

As Airwave stated, its simply 0.4 you should be able to do a online search for 0.4 pinions. Tamiya of course makes them and I believe Scorpion does as well, for helos. I run tamiya no issues.

https://www.tqrcracing.com/shop/prod...ord=0.4+pinion

ebohon 05-12-2019 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by 1/8 IC Fan (Post 15448271)
As Airwave stated, its simply 0.4 you should be able to do a online search for 0.4 pinions. Tamiya of course makes them and I believe Scorpion does as well, for helos. I run tamiya no issues.

https://www.tqrcracing.com/shop/prod...ord=0.4+pinion

I was actually at TQ this morning practicing and looked at the one on your link with .04 module. It is not the same mesh to the spur on my tt02. I tried it. So it is not .04 module. And the one that fits see link below, is out is stock. Notice that particular tamiya pinion doesn’t indicate .04 or .06, etc.
https://www.tqrcracing.com/shop/prod...asp?p_id=10344

1/8 IC Fan 05-12-2019 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by ebohon (Post 15448282)

I was actually at TQ this morning practicing and looked at the one on your link with .04 module. It is not the same mesh to the spur on my tt02. I tried it. So it is not .04 module. And the one that fits see link below, is out is stock. Notice that particular tamiya pinion doesn’t indicate .04 or .06, etc.
https://www.tqrcracing.com/shop/prod...asp?p_id=10344



In that case you probably have a 48P spur, and as such the regular 48P pinions will work. Many sell sets and such, so you have a range of gears. This is possible if running the High Speed Gear Set.

If not, the pitch you are looking for is 0.6 module. Those are regular Tamiya Pinions

As a correction the 0.4 Module is (Metric) Tamiyas Version of 64 Pitch (SAE), close but not the same discussion to be found here: https://www.rctech.net/forum/electri...tch-gears.html

The 0.6 Module is (Metric) Tamiyas version of 48 Pitch (SAE), close but not same discussion to be found here: https://www.rctech.net/forum/rookie-...-64-pitch.html

Try these 0.6 : https://www.tqrcracing.com/shop/product_list.asp?search_type=1&search_all=Y&p_keyw ord=0.6+pinion

hobbyten 05-12-2019 06:38 PM

Tamiya uses .6 pinions red cat has them as well. Robinson make some as well.

Nerobro 05-12-2019 06:56 PM

OK, time to bring up the crazytalk.

I have a Tamiya TT02b. That b means it's buggy. So, the standard for "wheeler" is 13.5 turn motors. This is... a pretty hot setup. Then you throw in the taller off road tires, and the torque and speed that the drivetrain sees starts to be a real problem.

My car is actually a TT02b MS, so I've got fiber shock towers, dogbones, metal rear uprights, etc. My particular setup, has a 3 racing aluminum steering rack, the blue stiff tub, TRF dampers.

This thing regularly strips the diff drive gears. Both the ring, and pinion end up getting eaten. I do have the diffs shimmed over, so the pinions get as much engagement as possible.

It also had a tendancy to eject drive dogbones.... But I think I have a method of addressing that. Tamiya released the carbon reinforced arms for the car, so those are happening.

"why don't you just buy a normal 4wd". Well... I should But I like to play the underdog game.

ebohon 05-12-2019 08:50 PM

the high speed gear set comes in 48p. It was included with the TT02-RR. I run 48pitch on my X-ray and have some pinions and although these ‘could’ work, they are not the same. The length of the teeth on the regular pinion is shorter or and maybe thicker so it makes a contact sound... which means friction unless I back it off but then risk stripping the spur. Oh well no biggie I thought there was a pinion option besides Tamiya. I may just end up changing the spur to traditional 48p and be done with it. Thanks anyway for the feedback.

r_torres 05-13-2019 05:15 PM

i accidentally ran over my tt02 the other night. fml. looking into getting a new one. just saw the tt02rr was released. wondering what’s better... TT02-RR OR TT-02 Type S.

tia

Nerobro 05-13-2019 05:25 PM

"better" is a difficult word. the TT02-rr is legal as a tub car. the TT-01 type S is excluded from most of the tub car classes.

Rayquaza 05-13-2019 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by Nerobro (Post 15448385)
OK, time to bring up the crazytalk.

I have a Tamiya TT02b. That b means it's buggy. So, the standard for "wheeler" is 13.5 turn motors. This is... a pretty hot setup. Then you throw in the taller off road tires, and the torque and speed that the drivetrain sees starts to be a real problem.

My car is actually a TT02b MS, so I've got fiber shock towers, dogbones, metal rear uprights, etc. My particular setup, has a 3 racing aluminum steering rack, the blue stiff tub, TRF dampers.

This thing regularly strips the diff drive gears. Both the ring, and pinion end up getting eaten. I do have the diffs shimmed over, so the pinions get as much engagement as possible.

It also had a tendancy to eject drive dogbones.... But I think I have a method of addressing that. Tamiya released the carbon reinforced arms for the car, so those are happening.

"why don't you just buy a normal 4wd". Well... I should But I like to play the underdog game.

If you're talking about the bevel gears in the diff housings, you can buy metal TT01 bevel diff gears. I found that out after I bought a pair of DF02 bevel gears and had to cut off a little bit to get them to sit properly.




Nerobro 05-13-2019 09:29 PM

Nope, i'm talking about the ring and pinion gear that is on the outside of the diff. I believe I"ve broken 4 pinions now.

Rayquaza 05-13-2019 10:38 PM

The best solution I can think of is, funnily enough, using a TT01 differential with a DF02 ring gear since that's also metal. Unless there's someone out there who makes one or if Tamiya has made a metal ring gear for the TT02.

Just checked. RCJaz has a metal differential ring gear that's designed for the TT02 on their webstore.


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