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06-04-2013, 10:25 AM
Try one degree rear camber, not more than that !!!! Also make sure you clean your tires with a non oily cleaner like Nitro Clean......
06-04-2013, 10:26 AM
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What is your Complete setup Please. Also when describing the issues Please make sure to mention if it's loose in the front or rear
06-04-2013, 11:58 AM
Never heard of the front being loose. We usually say loose or oversteer for the rear and understeer or push for the front. Anyway, Here is my set up
06-04-2013, 12:23 PM
Couple of glaring issues...
Shock mount locations: I'd put the rear/lower mount in the outside hole. I'd put the upper mounts more upright in the third hole location inside to outside.
Shock springs: A lot of times the front spring is stiffer than the rears; Blue/Silver is common.
Number of washers under the front ball stud mounts: On the front does that really mean 4 x 20mm? Or should that have been 4 x 2mm which is still a lot. 8mm?
Something else to consider: Dual rate on your radio. I typically turn mine down to somewhere betweenn 70% and 80% depending on track.
I'm sure others will chime in about droop, anti-dive, anti-squat, ackerman, etc.
Shock mount locations: I'd put the rear/lower mount in the outside hole. I'd put the upper mounts more upright in the third hole location inside to outside.
Shock springs: A lot of times the front spring is stiffer than the rears; Blue/Silver is common.
Number of washers under the front ball stud mounts: On the front does that really mean 4 x 20mm? Or should that have been 4 x 2mm which is still a lot. 8mm?
Something else to consider: Dual rate on your radio. I typically turn mine down to somewhere betweenn 70% and 80% depending on track.
I'm sure others will chime in about droop, anti-dive, anti-squat, ackerman, etc.
06-04-2013, 12:32 PM
Couple of glaring issues...
Shock mount locations: I'd put the rear/lower mount in the outside hole. I'd put the upper mounts more upright in the third hole location inside to outside.
Shock springs: A lot of times the front spring is stiffer than the rears; Blue/Silver is common.
Number of washers under the front ball stud mounts: On the front does that really mean 4 x 20mm? Or should that have been 4 x 2mm which is still a lot. 8mm?
Something else to consider: Dual rate on your radio. I typically turn mine down to somewhere betweenn 70% and 80% depending on track.
I'm sure others will chime in about droop, anti-dive, anti-squat, ackerman, etc.
Shock mount locations: I'd put the rear/lower mount in the outside hole. I'd put the upper mounts more upright in the third hole location inside to outside.
Shock springs: A lot of times the front spring is stiffer than the rears; Blue/Silver is common.
Number of washers under the front ball stud mounts: On the front does that really mean 4 x 20mm? Or should that have been 4 x 2mm which is still a lot. 8mm?
Something else to consider: Dual rate on your radio. I typically turn mine down to somewhere betweenn 70% and 80% depending on track.
I'm sure others will chime in about droop, anti-dive, anti-squat, ackerman, etc.
Hmm, wouldnt making the shocks more upright give it less lateral grip?
Sorry, that should be 20 thousandths, not mm
Trying to make them even with the CVD's.Thanks for the input. I'm a pan oval guy so this is kind of new to me.
06-04-2013, 12:46 PM
Laying them down will make that end of the chassis softer and therefore more lateral grip.
HOWEVER, as i understand it, the change is minor compared to swapping out the whole spring in the first place. There's more to the leverage/lateral grip that I honestly can't remember offhand.
If you are getting loose going into a corner that sounds to me like you have too much front grip and too much steering. That's why a lot of people will make the front spring stiffer than the rear and adjust dual rate.
About those 4 x .020 spacers, someone else could explain roll centers better but that might be too high which increases grip and chassis roll and all sorts of stuff at that end of the car.
Speaking of explaining stuff...
http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/sho...p?file_id=6143
Great guide with lots of great info.
HOWEVER, as i understand it, the change is minor compared to swapping out the whole spring in the first place. There's more to the leverage/lateral grip that I honestly can't remember offhand.
If you are getting loose going into a corner that sounds to me like you have too much front grip and too much steering. That's why a lot of people will make the front spring stiffer than the rear and adjust dual rate.
About those 4 x .020 spacers, someone else could explain roll centers better but that might be too high which increases grip and chassis roll and all sorts of stuff at that end of the car.
Speaking of explaining stuff...
http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/sho...p?file_id=6143
Great guide with lots of great info.
06-04-2013, 01:07 PM
Laying them down will make that end of the chassis softer and therefore more lateral grip.
HOWEVER, as i understand it, the change is minor compared to swapping out the whole spring in the first place. There's more to the leverage/lateral grip that I honestly can't remember offhand.
If you are getting loose going into a corner that sounds to me like you have too much front grip and too much steering. That's why a lot of people will make the front spring stiffer than the rear and adjust dual rate.
About those 4 x .020 spacers, someone else could explain roll centers better but that might be too high which increases grip and chassis roll and all sorts of stuff at that end of the car.
Speaking of explaining stuff...
http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/sho...p?file_id=6143
Great guide with lots of great info.
HOWEVER, as i understand it, the change is minor compared to swapping out the whole spring in the first place. There's more to the leverage/lateral grip that I honestly can't remember offhand.
If you are getting loose going into a corner that sounds to me like you have too much front grip and too much steering. That's why a lot of people will make the front spring stiffer than the rear and adjust dual rate.
About those 4 x .020 spacers, someone else could explain roll centers better but that might be too high which increases grip and chassis roll and all sorts of stuff at that end of the car.
Speaking of explaining stuff...
http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/sho...p?file_id=6143
Great guide with lots of great info.
06-04-2013, 01:33 PM
I used to have to use dual rate on my radio to dial out steering so the car wasn't twitchy until I installed a front swaybar. I'm using the softest one for the TC4 and it works like a charm. I tried the medium bar and it took too much steering out. I dialed all of my steering back in on the radio. I can attack corners hard and if I need more turn in a quick hit of the brakes does it for me.
06-04-2013, 05:53 PM
Blue springs in the front with silver rears seem to be the sweet spot, with shocks laid down all the way front and rear, but two degree rear camber won't work. You need one degree rear camber....
06-04-2013, 06:23 PM
Thanks everyone. One more question, would anyone try shimming up the arm mounts at all?
06-04-2013, 08:50 PM
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so I did some searching and some reading about bleeder caps. is it safe to assume I can build them with the stock bobbin and bleeder caps? basically like an off road shock? thanks in advance carl
06-05-2013, 12:07 AM
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can this car be taken seriously against the new age belt cars in 17.5t blinky? any necessary add on's to get the car there?
06-05-2013, 02:59 PM
06-05-2013, 06:20 PM
Get yourself some of these spurs
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...-Spur-Gear-60T
and some pinions from about 37t to 43t and you should have a good starting place for blinky 17.5.
06-06-2013, 12:16 AM
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ok just a few more questions;
1: can you run 64p gears?
2: is parts availability an issue? ( i havent found a shop that carries most of the spares).
1: can you run 64p gears?
2: is parts availability an issue? ( i havent found a shop that carries most of the spares).