20LikesTeam Associated TC6 Thread
03-07-2012, 12:09 PM
#6106
I bought a used TC6 and was going through it to make sure how it was built. Its seems that for the most part the kit instructions were followed. Since I've not ever raced a TC6 I thought I would put on the stock kit setup in the back of the manual. The setup on the car was already pretty close. I did have a couple questions though.
1. On the Suspension Geometry section it calls for "Silver + 0" on the front outer ball & shims. What is "Silver"? Does it come in the kit?
2. On the Alignment section it calls for the Steering Link to be "2B". Is "B" the outer bumpsteer location? Whats is the "2", the pivot point?
Car will be run on Carpet with Rubber Tires and 17.5 blinky class.
Thanks for any help.
1. On the Suspension Geometry section it calls for "Silver + 0" on the front outer ball & shims. What is "Silver"? Does it come in the kit?
2. On the Alignment section it calls for the Steering Link to be "2B". Is "B" the outer bumpsteer location? Whats is the "2", the pivot point?
Car will be run on Carpet with Rubber Tires and 17.5 blinky class.
Thanks for any help.
Silver is the ball stud........it means the long neck ball stud. Black would mean the short neck ball stud.
2-B means the outer location on the steering knuckle and the steering post is in the rear hole in the chassis/top deck
03-07-2012, 12:41 PM
#6107
My favorite is 45wt front/35wt rear, Reflex pistons all around. On our low/med bite large carpet track, 15.5 front/13.5 rear Reflex springs worked best for stock. I like a spool with rear gear diff of 40wt AE oil. On smaller tracks or more technical layouts a front gear diff with 500k was money. I honestly never changed the shock oil or springs....... that combination just always worked great here!
03-07-2012, 01:14 PM
#6108
spring rates:
Yokomo
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Orange 18.87
Green 16.06
Pink 14.93
Yellow 14.71
White 12.94
Blue 12.12
Rayspeed
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Gray 19.90
Red 18.26
White 17.17
Yellow 14.87
Blue 14.29
Green 13.20
Associated
Spring Rating [lb/in]
White 40.00
Yellow 31.91
Purple 30.30
Copper 23.26
Red 23.08
Gold 18.35
Blue 16.53
Silver 13.89
Green 11.43
Tamiya
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Purple 22.72
Gray 20.91
White Short 17.24
Blue Short 15.27
White 14.82
Blue 14.08
Yellow 13.33
Red Short 13.24
Yellow Short 12.90
Red 11.86
3Racing
Spring Rating [lb/in]
4.25T 35.8
4.50T 31.7
4.75T 29.2
5.00T 26.2
5.25T 24.9
5.50T 22.9
5.75T 21.2
6.00T 20.0
6.50T 17.9
Hpi
Spring Rating (lb/in)
Silver 08.60
Gold 11.20
Orange 12.00
Yellow 12.70
Red 13.30
Green 13.80
Blue 14.00
Pink 14.70
Xray
Spring Rating (lb/in)
2.2 12.56
2.4 13.70
2.6 14.85
2.8 15.99
3.0 17.13
3.2 18.27
3.4 19.41
Yokomo
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Orange 18.87
Green 16.06
Pink 14.93
Yellow 14.71
White 12.94
Blue 12.12
Rayspeed
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Gray 19.90
Red 18.26
White 17.17
Yellow 14.87
Blue 14.29
Green 13.20
Associated
Spring Rating [lb/in]
White 40.00
Yellow 31.91
Purple 30.30
Copper 23.26
Red 23.08
Gold 18.35
Blue 16.53
Silver 13.89
Green 11.43
Tamiya
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Purple 22.72
Gray 20.91
White Short 17.24
Blue Short 15.27
White 14.82
Blue 14.08
Yellow 13.33
Red Short 13.24
Yellow Short 12.90
Red 11.86
3Racing
Spring Rating [lb/in]
4.25T 35.8
4.50T 31.7
4.75T 29.2
5.00T 26.2
5.25T 24.9
5.50T 22.9
5.75T 21.2
6.00T 20.0
6.50T 17.9
Hpi
Spring Rating (lb/in)
Silver 08.60
Gold 11.20
Orange 12.00
Yellow 12.70
Red 13.30
Green 13.80
Blue 14.00
Pink 14.70
Xray
Spring Rating (lb/in)
2.2 12.56
2.4 13.70
2.6 14.85
2.8 15.99
3.0 17.13
3.2 18.27
3.4 19.41
Yokomo:
Black - 258 gF/mm -- 14.45
Blue - 264 gF/mm -- 14.78
Yellow - 280 gF/mm -- 15.68
Pink - 290 gF/mm -- 16.24
Green - 303 gF/mm -- 16.97
Orange - 330 gF/mm-- 18.48
HPI:
Blue - 273 gF/mm -- 15.29
Silver - 302 gF/mm -- 16.91
Pink - 320 gF/mm -- 17.92
Gold - 340 gF/mm -- 19.04
White - 363 gF/mm -- 20.33
Yellow - 388 gF/mm -- 21.73
Red - 400 gF/mm -- 22.40
Hope this helps
03-07-2012, 01:34 PM
#6109
I can't speak for all of these rates... most look "right" to me... but I believe the Yokomo and HPI rates are off... if you convert published rates to lbs/inch you get:
Yokomo:
Black - 258 gF/mm -- 14.45
Blue - 264 gF/mm -- 14.78
Yellow - 280 gF/mm -- 15.68
Pink - 290 gF/mm -- 16.24
Green - 303 gF/mm -- 16.97
Orange - 330 gF/mm-- 18.48
HPI:
Blue - 273 gF/mm -- 15.29
Silver - 302 gF/mm -- 16.91
Pink - 320 gF/mm -- 17.92
Gold - 340 gF/mm -- 19.04
White - 363 gF/mm -- 20.33
Yellow - 388 gF/mm -- 21.73
Red - 400 gF/mm -- 22.40
Hope this helps
Yokomo:
Black - 258 gF/mm -- 14.45
Blue - 264 gF/mm -- 14.78
Yellow - 280 gF/mm -- 15.68
Pink - 290 gF/mm -- 16.24
Green - 303 gF/mm -- 16.97
Orange - 330 gF/mm-- 18.48
HPI:
Blue - 273 gF/mm -- 15.29
Silver - 302 gF/mm -- 16.91
Pink - 320 gF/mm -- 17.92
Gold - 340 gF/mm -- 19.04
White - 363 gF/mm -- 20.33
Yellow - 388 gF/mm -- 21.73
Red - 400 gF/mm -- 22.40
Hope this helps
HPI Pink - 272 g/mm = 15.2 lb/in
HPI Blue - 264 g/mm = 14.8 lb/in
HPI Red - 238 g/mm = 13.3 lb/in
HPI Orange - 216 g/mm = 12.1 lb/in
The g/mm listing on Tower's site may be wrong, but here's the math for those curious.
454 grams/1 lb, 25.4 mm/ 1 inch
(272g/1mm) x (1lb/454g) x (25.4mm/1ft), units cancel leaving you 15.217 lb/in.........
Essentially, if the rating is X g/1mm, multiply the value by .05595, which will give you the lb rating (per 1 unit of measure).
Edit: Apparently HPI makes quite the variety of springs!
03-07-2012, 01:48 PM
#6110
Just got my car today...
i must say I'm very impressed feels so solid!
Here are a list of things including and on the car, tell me what you think I'm missing? Also what are some of the surplus items i should have on deck?
Front slipper build with white nut. Smooth Rear ball diff with carbide balls.
PDBillet Dial-A-Grips on all 4 corners. (0's in rear and 2's front)
Reflex pistons and bladders in all 4 shocks. Freshly rebuilt with AE 40 front and 30 rear. (Shock spring retainers marked for easy setup.)
Kimbrough 96t spur.
Fresh bearings.
Car is built with 4* front caster and 0* rear.
Both black sway bars and 1 gold included with all 3 sizes of plastic clamps.
Front belt is a Tamiya and is 1 month old. Rear is brand new.
Only ran on carpet so chassis is in good condition.
Will throw in 5 used sweep 30 tires. Brand new manual. 2 droop gauges. (car is set at 6 front and 5 rear.) new set of servo horns, 2 full sets of arm carriers with alum inserts.
Thanks
Daryl
Here are a list of things including and on the car, tell me what you think I'm missing? Also what are some of the surplus items i should have on deck?
Front slipper build with white nut. Smooth Rear ball diff with carbide balls.
PDBillet Dial-A-Grips on all 4 corners. (0's in rear and 2's front)
Reflex pistons and bladders in all 4 shocks. Freshly rebuilt with AE 40 front and 30 rear. (Shock spring retainers marked for easy setup.)
Kimbrough 96t spur.
Fresh bearings.
Car is built with 4* front caster and 0* rear.
Both black sway bars and 1 gold included with all 3 sizes of plastic clamps.
Front belt is a Tamiya and is 1 month old. Rear is brand new.
Only ran on carpet so chassis is in good condition.
Will throw in 5 used sweep 30 tires. Brand new manual. 2 droop gauges. (car is set at 6 front and 5 rear.) new set of servo horns, 2 full sets of arm carriers with alum inserts.
Thanks
Daryl
03-07-2012, 02:07 PM
#6111
I bought 4 pairs of HPI springs from Towerhobbies... according to them...
HPI Pink - 272 g/mm = 15.2 lb/in
HPI Blue - 264 g/mm = 14.8 lb/in
HPI Red - 238 g/mm = 13.3 lb/in
HPI Orange - 216 g/mm = 12.1 lb/in
The g/mm listing on Tower's site may be wrong, but here's the math for those curious.
454 grams/1 lb, 25.4 mm/ 1 inch
(272g/1mm) x (1lb/454g) x (25.4mm/1ft), units cancel leaving you 15.217 lb/in.........
Essentially, if the rating is X g/1mm, multiply the value by .05595, which will give you the lb rating (per 1 unit of measure).
Edit: Apparently HPI makes quite the variety of springs!
HPI Pink - 272 g/mm = 15.2 lb/in
HPI Blue - 264 g/mm = 14.8 lb/in
HPI Red - 238 g/mm = 13.3 lb/in
HPI Orange - 216 g/mm = 12.1 lb/in
The g/mm listing on Tower's site may be wrong, but here's the math for those curious.
454 grams/1 lb, 25.4 mm/ 1 inch
(272g/1mm) x (1lb/454g) x (25.4mm/1ft), units cancel leaving you 15.217 lb/in.........
Essentially, if the rating is X g/1mm, multiply the value by .05595, which will give you the lb rating (per 1 unit of measure).
Edit: Apparently HPI makes quite the variety of springs!
http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachme...g-rates-v3.pdf
03-08-2012, 02:10 AM
#6112
I can't speak for all of these rates... most look "right" to me... but I believe the Yokomo and HPI rates are off... if you convert published rates to lbs/inch you get:
Yokomo:
Black - 258 gF/mm -- 14.45
Blue - 264 gF/mm -- 14.78
Yellow - 280 gF/mm -- 15.68
Pink - 290 gF/mm -- 16.24
Green - 303 gF/mm -- 16.97
Orange - 330 gF/mm-- 18.48
HPI:
Blue - 273 gF/mm -- 15.29
Silver - 302 gF/mm -- 16.91
Pink - 320 gF/mm -- 17.92
Gold - 340 gF/mm -- 19.04
White - 363 gF/mm -- 20.33
Yellow - 388 gF/mm -- 21.73
Red - 400 gF/mm -- 22.40
Hope this helps
Yokomo:
Black - 258 gF/mm -- 14.45
Blue - 264 gF/mm -- 14.78
Yellow - 280 gF/mm -- 15.68
Pink - 290 gF/mm -- 16.24
Green - 303 gF/mm -- 16.97
Orange - 330 gF/mm-- 18.48
HPI:
Blue - 273 gF/mm -- 15.29
Silver - 302 gF/mm -- 16.91
Pink - 320 gF/mm -- 17.92
Gold - 340 gF/mm -- 19.04
White - 363 gF/mm -- 20.33
Yellow - 388 gF/mm -- 21.73
Red - 400 gF/mm -- 22.40
Hope this helps
03-08-2012, 02:20 AM
#6113
Where are all the spare parts?????? !!!!!!!!
All the spare parts got pushed back again??!!! WTH?
03-08-2012, 02:41 AM
#6114
The fact that important spares such as arms, steering blocks, hubs etc for the 6.1 are out of stock is the main reason that is holding me back from grabbing a new TC6.1 kit.
I assume the reason for the delay could be a revision of the material used in these parts to rectify the excessive play people are experiencing in some suspension pieces ?
I assume the reason for the delay could be a revision of the material used in these parts to rectify the excessive play people are experiencing in some suspension pieces ?
03-08-2012, 04:07 AM
#6115
Tech Regular
Double post. See below.
03-08-2012, 04:07 AM
#6116
Tech Regular
I agree. I also don't like the fact that some major parts are not in stock. I do have a 6.1 and 6, but some weeks ago I broke my spool and still no parts in stock. I took my 6 again, just so that I could drive at all. Come on Associated, fix it!
03-08-2012, 05:14 AM
#6118
Was just going to post the exact same thing. The rates for the springs actually used, which are the Yokomo Pro springs (white with a blob of coloured paint) and the HPI Pro4 springs (black with a blob of coloured paint), are as quoted by Steve. There are a lot of incorrect rates being quoted so be careful which ones you believe!
03-08-2012, 08:44 AM
#6120
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