Prototype ESC's - ROAR, Legal, Fair, Sportsmanship, Opinions?
#586
Please look again at section 8.8.2.4.2 and it says, "Only one piece, two pole Neodymium sintered, or Ferrite (Ceramic) magnetic rotors are permitted". So if I wanted to race a sensored based 4 or 6 pole 10th scale motor, I couldn't run it because by your rules only 2 pole rotors are mermitted.
As for that last one, trust me, that's where that path leads. I'm also a slotcar racer. I know all about trying to glue together 30 tiny cobalt segments to make a decent motor.
#588
Tech Fanatic
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You also can't use a motor out of a Prius Hybrid, a nitro motor, a fusion reactor, a solid rocket booster, hypergolic fuels, a Cadillac starter motor, steam turbine, gas turbine, cell phone vibrator motor, ion drive, warp drive, magneto hydrodynamic drive, W16 Veyron motor, wankel, diesel, solar sail, wind sail, CO2 cartridge, ducted fans, props, or 28 pole brushless rotors.
As for that last one, trust me, that's where that path leads. I'm also a slotcar racer. I know all about trying to glue together 30 tiny cobalt segments to make a decent motor.
As for that last one, trust me, that's where that path leads. I'm also a slotcar racer. I know all about trying to glue together 30 tiny cobalt segments to make a decent motor.
#590
Tech Lord
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Your point is? Let the ROAR director answer that one as he clearly said they do allow the 2 types of motors I stated. Or maybe I missed the sarcasm in your post. Maybe you're the joker of the group. What it comes down to is ROAR not letting more technology and choices to be used. They did a while back finally allow Castle's motors to be used, but I think in modified class only. So please let the ROAR director explain why he said they do allow them.
#591
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The motors are not expensive, what makes them expensive are the people selling them. A 4 or 6 pole motor made in China like most can be priced the same as a 2 pole motor. They are built just about the same way as a 2 pole motor with slotted stator and will by Y wound like the rules says. It would also be nice to allow D wound motors as well and just let the technology move ahead. I have converted an old Aveox sensored motor to run with today's sensored ESC and it's just amazing. It's more efficient due to the design and at only 5000rpm/v it sure seems as fast as any lower turn 2 pole motors.
#592
Tech Lord
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The motors are not expensive, what makes them expensive are the people selling them. A 4 or 6 pole motor made in China like most can be priced the same as a 2 pole motor. They are built just about the same way as a 2 pole motor with slotted stator and will by Y wound like the rules says. It would also be nice to allow D wound motors as well and just let the technology move ahead. I have converted an old Aveox sensored motor to run with today's sensored ESC and it's just amazing. It's more efficient due to the design and at only 5000rpm/v it sure seems as fast as any lower turn 2 pole motors.
I'm waiting for the first old brushed motor tuner to say I told you so.
#593
Tech Master
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Black Diamond ESC/Team Wave RB50??
So I've had too much time on my hands and started thinking...
I've taken a close look at the Black diamond ESC and noticed the two circuit board design and what looks to be bullet style connectors or solder post soldered between the two boards. So I remembered another ESC with the same design...the Team Wave RB50. The RB50 came out in the spring of 08 as did the Black Diamond. So I am wondering if the Black Diamond is the same physical ESC with maybe different firmware? That would make sense since it has been said the ESC has been available to the public since 08, and it would also make sense that Advanced is not the OEM...but more of a "software" company.
Take a look at the pics of the RB50 and notice the circuit board design, sensor plug and program button placement. Also the RB50 is very small in size as is the Black Diamond. The only major difference is the casing but remember these are prototype pics of the black diamond.
IF this is true, what would be interesting is the possibility of an open source ESC. Since software is going to be, and is for the most part, the big factor in the future of brushless, I think that firmware companies would start to pop up if there were an open source ESC.
But then again I could be wrong
I've taken a close look at the Black diamond ESC and noticed the two circuit board design and what looks to be bullet style connectors or solder post soldered between the two boards. So I remembered another ESC with the same design...the Team Wave RB50. The RB50 came out in the spring of 08 as did the Black Diamond. So I am wondering if the Black Diamond is the same physical ESC with maybe different firmware? That would make sense since it has been said the ESC has been available to the public since 08, and it would also make sense that Advanced is not the OEM...but more of a "software" company.
Take a look at the pics of the RB50 and notice the circuit board design, sensor plug and program button placement. Also the RB50 is very small in size as is the Black Diamond. The only major difference is the casing but remember these are prototype pics of the black diamond.
IF this is true, what would be interesting is the possibility of an open source ESC. Since software is going to be, and is for the most part, the big factor in the future of brushless, I think that firmware companies would start to pop up if there were an open source ESC.
But then again I could be wrong
#594
Tech Lord
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IF this is true, what would be interesting is the possibility of an open source ESC. Since software is going to be, and is for the most part, the big factor in the future of brushless, I think that firmware companies would start to pop up if there were an open source ESC.
#595
Tech Fanatic
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Yea but you open the door to other companies using the rule to create some very exotic combinations that are very expensive. And the one thing in this hobby is no matter what it cost someone will buy it.
I'm waiting for the first old brushed motor tuner to say I told you so.
I'm waiting for the first old brushed motor tuner to say I told you so.
#596
Tech Regular
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Yea but you open the door to other companies using the rule to create some very exotic combinations that are very expensive. And the one thing in this hobby is no matter what it cost someone will buy it.
I'm waiting for the first old brushed motor tuner to say I told you so.
I'm waiting for the first old brushed motor tuner to say I told you so.
#597
I was lucky enough to have EddieO show me a couple of cad drawings of the brushed rotors he wanted to produce. pretty cool stuff.