Team Magic E4 Thread
09-02-2009, 11:01 PM
#2536
Did you check the front points of your rear suspension points??
Those you can change 2.
Mine E4FS has 3 toe in at the rear but that is because i use the K-factory rear bearing hubs.
cheers Roy
Those you can change 2.
Mine E4FS has 3 toe in at the rear but that is because i use the K-factory rear bearing hubs.
cheers Roy
Has anyone checked their rear toe in on one of the numberous gauges on the market? I have the arrows both going out in the rear that should give me the most rear toe in at 2.5 on my E4FS and the gauges are only showing about 1 degree rear toe in. Front both arrows are pointing in so I should have 1.5mm of front arm sweep.
2nd question is I just looked at the car and looking to raise my roll centers in the front 1mm. I see the front a arm mount attaches to the bulkhead but it looks like it has a 2ns screw hole in it as if I do use 1mm spacers I would use the 2nd set of holes (at least on the front). Not sure since I never took the car fully apart yet and the directions are not clear on that part.
2nd question is I just looked at the car and looking to raise my roll centers in the front 1mm. I see the front a arm mount attaches to the bulkhead but it looks like it has a 2ns screw hole in it as if I do use 1mm spacers I would use the 2nd set of holes (at least on the front). Not sure since I never took the car fully apart yet and the directions are not clear on that part.
09-03-2009, 06:15 AM
#2537
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I guess tonight I will be tearing a little more off the car as it seems I'm missing out on using some adjustments the car has.
Funny when I had all the gauges hooked up on the car it showed no more than 1 degree of rear toe in. Looks like I need to check out that part your telling me about. Guess I'm going to learn something new tonight about my TM E4.
09-03-2009, 07:09 AM
#2538
hi
how will it change, if the arrows going up or down in the front of my rear suspension?
how will it change, if the arrows going up or down in the front of my rear suspension?
09-03-2009, 07:31 AM
#2539
If the arrows only show up or down then the only thing you can change is the rear caster then
Hmmmm on my E4RS i have deffo 2.5 toe in at the rear and on my E4FS i have 3 toe in but that is because i have the K-factory rear bearing hubs.
Perhaps there are some parts different between those 2 cars???
Update...Parts are te same so both cars have the same adjustment futures on the rear toe in
@Wyd you should get 2.5 toe in with that setting as it is per standard 1.5
cheers Roy
Hmmmm on my E4RS i have deffo 2.5 toe in at the rear and on my E4FS i have 3 toe in but that is because i have the K-factory rear bearing hubs.
Perhaps there are some parts different between those 2 cars???
Update...Parts are te same so both cars have the same adjustment futures on the rear toe in
@Wyd you should get 2.5 toe in with that setting as it is per standard 1.5
cheers Roy
09-03-2009, 09:36 AM
#2540
Hi guys, i need a little help here ...
Last race where i debuted with the E4 and got 4th place, we used this layout :
Now, this weekend i have another race on same track, but the new layout its :
Last race, i used 3.68 FDR on 13.5 brushless and it was almost perfect, good low end power and enough speed on the straight to be on par with 95% of the fastest guys.
Now, for this new layout you would use the same ?, or would be good to test some different ?, maybe a little higher FDR as this layout does not have long straight sections ? (right now im on 38T Pinion + 68T spur, maybe going to 70T spur would be better ?).
thanks in advance, all opiniones welcome !!
cya,
Pato Concha
Southamerica
Last race where i debuted with the E4 and got 4th place, we used this layout :
Now, this weekend i have another race on same track, but the new layout its :
Last race, i used 3.68 FDR on 13.5 brushless and it was almost perfect, good low end power and enough speed on the straight to be on par with 95% of the fastest guys.
Now, for this new layout you would use the same ?, or would be good to test some different ?, maybe a little higher FDR as this layout does not have long straight sections ? (right now im on 38T Pinion + 68T spur, maybe going to 70T spur would be better ?).
thanks in advance, all opiniones welcome !!
cya,
Pato Concha
Southamerica
Your newer layout is more open (less technical) , so if you have room to gear up (bigger pinion) go for it...
09-03-2009, 09:37 AM
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If the arrows only show up or down then the only thing you can change is the rear caster then
Hmmmm on my E4RS i have deffo 2.5 toe in at the rear and on my E4FS i have 3 toe in but that is because i have the K-factory rear bearing hubs.
Perhaps there are some parts different between those 2 cars???
Update...Parts are te same so both cars have the same adjustment futures on the rear toe in
@Wyd you should get 2.5 toe in with that setting as it is per standard 1.5
cheers Roy
Hmmmm on my E4RS i have deffo 2.5 toe in at the rear and on my E4FS i have 3 toe in but that is because i have the K-factory rear bearing hubs.
Perhaps there are some parts different between those 2 cars???
Update...Parts are te same so both cars have the same adjustment futures on the rear toe in
@Wyd you should get 2.5 toe in with that setting as it is per standard 1.5
cheers Roy
Funny thing the tow showed the same with the stock plastic rear hubs as well.
I will get her checked out asap.Not complaining as my car is glued at are high bite track but if I get to a slippery surfance I will need to get to at least the 2.5 rear toe.
09-03-2009, 09:37 AM
#2542
Anyone knows where can i buy firmer sway bars for the E4RS2009 ?, usually im a no-bar racer, but i noted and felt the bar effect on my E4, im not using the front, only rear, and its great, but th bar effect its too soft and i want to try a firmer one,
thanks,
Pato Concha
Southamerica
thanks,
Pato Concha
Southamerica
09-03-2009, 03:14 PM
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Ok I figured out the rear toe in thing. Apparently the Wolf Hobies aluminum rear hubs have a left and right side to them. The hubs where marked with a L and R on them via marker. I put them on as marked and never thought twice about it. I did checkit on the gauges and it always showed 1 degree even with the toe block being set at 2.5.
So long story short after tearing the rear of the car apart for what ever reason I rotated the rear hubs. I immediately seen the differance but I checked on the gauges and it was 2.5 rear toe per side. So I took of the L&R and put new labeling on them for Left and right. Problem now solved except I have been use to running 1 degree of rear toe for the last 2 weeks. I'm going to try 2.5 but if I don't like it I can go to 1.5 or put on my K Fatory rear block and go to 1.0 if I need to.
It was nice to tear the car down some to see what is going on with it. Really will help me if I want to change the rear and front roll centers now that I see how its done.
So long story short after tearing the rear of the car apart for what ever reason I rotated the rear hubs. I immediately seen the differance but I checked on the gauges and it was 2.5 rear toe per side. So I took of the L&R and put new labeling on them for Left and right. Problem now solved except I have been use to running 1 degree of rear toe for the last 2 weeks.
I'm going to try 2.5 but if I don't like it I can go to 1.5 or put on my K Fatory rear block and go to 1.0 if I need to.It was nice to tear the car down some to see what is going on with it. Really will help me if I want to change the rear and front roll centers now that I see how its done.
09-04-2009, 09:07 AM
#2544
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I have LRP TC and Trinity Duo 10.5 BL
In XRAY I have had FDR = 5.49 for this motor.
In E4RS i have 64P with 110T
Could I use this FDR for E4RS?
If I right understand I could use 41,42,43 pinion, but they big (I think).
Can you recommend me spur and pinion?
What FDR do you use for 10.5 BL?
In XRAY I have had FDR = 5.49 for this motor.
In E4RS i have 64P with 110T
Could I use this FDR for E4RS?
If I right understand I could use 41,42,43 pinion, but they big (I think).
Can you recommend me spur and pinion?
What FDR do you use for 10.5 BL?
09-04-2009, 10:49 AM
#2545
Depends on what track your driving.
As for the Xray FDR i think it's a short tech track.
If that FDR is ok then you can use it on the E4RS 2
With a 110 spur and a 41 pinion u get a FDR of 5.52.
If you go with a higher pinion your FDR will be lower.
If you go for 48dp spur you can use the 80 spur gear and a 31 pinion and then you get 5.49 FDR.
It all depends on what track you drive on.
I my self drive with a FDR between 4.24 and 4.36 but that depends on what motor i use.
cheers Roy
As for the Xray FDR i think it's a short tech track.
If that FDR is ok then you can use it on the E4RS 2
With a 110 spur and a 41 pinion u get a FDR of 5.52.
If you go with a higher pinion your FDR will be lower.
If you go for 48dp spur you can use the 80 spur gear and a 31 pinion and then you get 5.49 FDR.
It all depends on what track you drive on.
I my self drive with a FDR between 4.24 and 4.36 but that depends on what motor i use.
cheers Roy
I have LRP TC and Trinity Duo 10.5 BL
In XRAY I have had FDR = 5.49 for this motor.
In E4RS i have 64P with 110T
Could I use this FDR for E4RS?
If I right understand I could use 41,42,43 pinion, but they big (I think).
Can you recommend me spur and pinion?
What FDR do you use for 10.5 BL?
In XRAY I have had FDR = 5.49 for this motor.
In E4RS i have 64P with 110T
Could I use this FDR for E4RS?
If I right understand I could use 41,42,43 pinion, but they big (I think).
Can you recommend me spur and pinion?
What FDR do you use for 10.5 BL?
09-04-2009, 01:17 PM
#2546
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Depends on what track your driving.
As for the Xray FDR i think it's a short tech track.
If that FDR is ok then you can use it on the E4RS 2
With a 110 spur and a 41 pinion u get a FDR of 5.52.
If you go with a higher pinion your FDR will be lower.
If you go for 48dp spur you can use the 80 spur gear and a 31 pinion and then you get 5.49 FDR.
It all depends on what track you drive on.
I my self drive with a FDR between 4.24 and 4.36 but that depends on what motor i use.
cheers Roy
As for the Xray FDR i think it's a short tech track.
If that FDR is ok then you can use it on the E4RS 2
With a 110 spur and a 41 pinion u get a FDR of 5.52.
If you go with a higher pinion your FDR will be lower.
If you go for 48dp spur you can use the 80 spur gear and a 31 pinion and then you get 5.49 FDR.
It all depends on what track you drive on.
I my self drive with a FDR between 4.24 and 4.36 but that depends on what motor i use.
cheers Roy
May be I could try spur 88T and pinion 33T?
09-04-2009, 08:45 PM
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Once you get the motor in your car you can then mess with geting the gearing you need. WIth the motor in your car you will be able to see how much room you have for the motor to move and then you will be able to change the gears as needed to get the final drive ratio your looking for.
09-06-2009, 01:47 AM
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Well after a long practice session on Friday and thru most of racing Saturday my E4 handled pretty bad. After doing everything I could the car just had too much steering and would traction roll. After all my struggles I simply put the 3 degree caster blocks back on and problem completely solved and the car understeered. I just need to change my car back to the way I had it so I could get my steering back. A learning experiance for sure with this car. I never had any touring car act like this when using 6 degree caster blocks. Car just had massive steering in the middle of the corner and exiting the corner.
Overall though got the car dialed in and learned alot this weekend.
Overall though got the car dialed in and learned alot this weekend.
09-06-2009, 04:26 AM
#2550
Wyd if you have that problem again try to shorten you rear turnbuckles and take the inner point on your rear hub and put a 3 mm spacer on the bulkhead side.
This will get your car really smooth and you can slam the power on exiting corners.
Had a similar problem and did this and the car is very solid on the back side now.
I am not very font of the 6 degree casterblocks as they tend to give way to much steering where i race and what ever you do you won't get the rear to get a grip with that.
If i want a smooth rear end with the 6 degree caster blocks then i have to take very soft tires on the rear but i smoke them after a minute or 2 and all traction is gone.
Don't know if you use the sway bars??
If so try to remove the rear one and see what happends when using the 6 degree casterblocks.
When using the 3 degree casterblocks and you don't have have enough steering ad a thicker swaybar at the rear or remove the front one.
Hope this will help you.
cheers Roy
This will get your car really smooth and you can slam the power on exiting corners.
Had a similar problem and did this and the car is very solid on the back side now.
I am not very font of the 6 degree casterblocks as they tend to give way to much steering where i race and what ever you do you won't get the rear to get a grip with that.
If i want a smooth rear end with the 6 degree caster blocks then i have to take very soft tires on the rear but i smoke them after a minute or 2 and all traction is gone.
Don't know if you use the sway bars??
If so try to remove the rear one and see what happends when using the 6 degree casterblocks.
When using the 3 degree casterblocks and you don't have have enough steering ad a thicker swaybar at the rear or remove the front one.
Hope this will help you.
cheers Roy
Well after a long practice session on Friday and thru most of racing Saturday my E4 handled pretty bad. After doing everything I could the car just had too much steering and would traction roll. After all my struggles I simply put the 3 degree caster blocks back on and problem completely solved and the car understeered. I just need to change my car back to the way I had it so I could get my steering back. A learning experiance for sure with this car. I never had any touring car act like this when using 6 degree caster blocks. Car just had massive steering in the middle of the corner and exiting the corner.
Overall though got the car dialed in and learned alot this weekend.
Overall though got the car dialed in and learned alot this weekend.