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Instruction manuals: (C/O BentKa)

Xray XB2 Carpet Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...ual_v2_low.pdf

Xray XB2 Dirt Edition Instruction Manual
http://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/dow...w.pdf?update=2

BentKa: Carpet Edition 4 gear to 3 gear laydown conversion parts:
  • Gearbox #323014
  • Motorplate #324012
  • 36T idler gear #324236
  • Brace for waterfall #324031


Socket: Bodies Available:

Xray has two OEM bodies, the .75mm and the .50mm light weight:
light weight: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-xb...329701/p492942

OEM .75mm: https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-0....329700/p477762

Also, I've fitted the yz2 body, both the light and regular fit fine, just make your own cut lines:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/yokomo-...z2-101/p417674


[i] J Concepts S2 Body [i]


Penguin Racing makes a high grip body that fits the DE and CE:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Ray-Xb2-Hi...oAAOSw1S9WewHV



Socket: Wheel fitment:

According to some, you'll require different offset rear hexes to use B5M wheels. According to my Hudy setup board, B5M wheels are the same offset. I measured the overall width of the car with XB2 wheels, and then again with B5M wheels, same measurement.

On the front, B5M wheels were 1.5mm wider. Xray offers hexes to reduce width -.75 on each side, or you could spend 3-5 minutes and sand your OEM hexes down .75mm.

edit by dgrobe2112
here are the hubs for losi and AE

for AE Front 365354 -0.75
for Losi rear 365358 +3.00 (4 stripe)
for AE rear 365359 +3.75 (5 stripe) or add 1.5mm carbon avid spacers



Socket: Flex and the XB2:

Flex screws are as follows:

Plastic bulkhead between motor and waterfall. Can remove screw in chassis, or remove bulkhead altogether.

Waterfall has 4 screws, can remove the inner two or outer two. IIRC, removing the inner two provides more flex, and thus more bite.

Removing the battery brace. This gives a tremendous amount of flex on the middle of the car, and can sometimes be inconsistent. I do this for outdoor racing on low bite. I like the feel over the 4 gear in 17.5 racing, since the 4 gear will take some snap away off the corner.

Rear C block - has inner and outer screws. I haven't played with this, as it's a crucial pivot point of the car.

Medium arms and towers -> I don't believe the carpet car has the rear medium tower available, however the DE DOES have an optional hard part. I think the hard parts are more consistent, especially when it gets hot (90+ degrees F). However, the medium parts do NOT break unless you're severely talented. They also don't wear out.



Socket: Avid/Schelle Slipper mod:

Credit to WillS, Matt Trimmings, and myself for figuring this out months ago.

Parts you'll need:

B5M V2 3gear compatible top shaft.
TKO Special 5x13x5 bear OR 5x13x6 bearing Either can work. This replaces the spur side bearing on the top shaft.
5mm shims, same shims used in 1/8th scale clutch bells. Look for protek .1mm and .2mm kit.
Avid or Schelle b5m top shaft kit, with spur gears of your choosing. (DE can't handle a 69, the CE can)

Shimming: You'll need to install the bearing in the front portion of the removable piece for the shaft. Make sure the bearing is pushed all the way in. With the TKO bearing, you'll need to shim approximately 1.4mm on the front side of the top shaft. Roughly .3-.5mm with the other bearing. This is a "feel" and tolerance setting. I urge you to watch videos about setting clutch bell play in 1/8th scale to get an idea of what yield you want for end play. Too tight, it'll eat bearings.

Outside of trans case: Use Avid/Schelle top shaft spacer plus .2mm shim to offset slipper from motor plate perfectly. Install slipper as instructed, and use Avid/Schelle spring and XB2 slipper nut.

- NEW - Schelle now sells Xb2 Topshafts. They include a spacer, so no need for shims in gearbox, and comes with the smaller bearing. Both methods work.

Socket: Yokomo Differential or MIP pucks:

Credit to: WillS for figuring out pucks, and as well fitting the Losi 22 diff with the same mods.

Parts needed: Yokomo Bmax2 or YZ2 complete diff OR Mip PUCKS outdrives
Xb2 diff gear
Bmax2 V3 Worlds rear dog bones, or Bmax 2 pucks dog bones
You'll use XB2 axles, and will require no other mods for the axles or dog bones.
You'll need .2mm outdrive/diff shims. Shim approximately .5mm on each side of the diff, behind the bearings. The top portion of the transmission is what "sets" the diff in place, not the bottom half. A little play back and forth is fine, the stock diff has some play from the factory.

dgrobe2112: CE to DE conversion:
along with the parts needed.. you MUST have these following hardware, or it wont work

https://www.teamxray.com/xb2/2016/do...conversion.pdf

(3) XRAY 902340 M3x40 button head screws. these are the screws that mount the motor mount to the tranny
(4) XRAY 903322 M3x22 counter sunk screws. these are for the rear diff case, to mount to the chassis. i think i used some M3x18 and they worked ok.

Socket: Best method for setting up the XB2 ball diff:

The XB2 diff is stellar when setup correctly. The spring is too short and soft, allowing the diff to slip. You'll need to glue the rings to the outdrives with just a drop of CA, then add a 1mm shim between the spring and the outdrive. This preloads the spring and stops the diff from slipping so easily.

OR, you can run the AE diff spring, which is both slightly longer, and stiffer. The overwhelming issue is the stock spring allows the nut to bottom out on the outdrive before the diff is tight enough.

This shim:
https://www.amainhobbies.com/xray-al...a303122/p12070

This diff spring (don't need a shim, then.)

https://www.teamassociated.com/parts...thrust_spring/

Functional Aftermarket parts: (Not just bling!)

Servo Horn: (The B5M sized horns are too short to get full throw)
https://www.amainhobbies.com/protek-...800-bk/p273496


Socket: Exotek has a full suite of parts, some bling, some not. Here's a list (all fit DE and CE, unless otherwise noted):

Titanium front axles: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-titanium-front-axles-2/

Rear Hanger, HD (Adds 4 grams): http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...75-heavy-duty/

Brass C block, 18 grams added: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-rear...-brass-weight/

Alloy front camber mount: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-fron...er-mount-7075/

Carbon Fiber Chassis: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-carb...m-plate-2-5mm/

Alloy rear hubs:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-allo...ub-set-2-7075/

Alloy servo mounts, allow for use of LP servo:http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...-alloy-1-pair/

Titanium shock mounts: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-xb4-...shock-posts-2/

Slipper Eliminator: http://www.exotekracing.com/xb2-direct-spur-mount/
Xray eliminator is #324100

dgrobe2112: 2016-2017 new 3 gear laydown
Gearbox #323014
Motor plate #324012
36T idler gear #324236
Brace for waterfall #324031

dgrobe2112: Xray Spring Rate Conversion:
front C WHT
368174 2 str 0.65-0.85 3.71-4.85

358184 2 dot 0.65 3.71
368185 3 dot 0.72 4.11
368186 4 dot 0.80 4.57


Rear
368273 2 str 0.35-0.45 2.00-2.57

368284 1 Dot 0.35 2.00
368285 2 Dot 0.40 2.28
368286 3 Dot 0.45 2.57
368287 4 Dot 0.50 2.86

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Old 12-11-2019, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dave-man
I hate ball diffs. Mainly because I suck at building them and setting them up. I wouldn't glue the rings either (for what it's worth).

Good luck sir!
quick update:
I pop out the diff, cleaned and regreased it. Thigthen like the manual sais and it doesn't slip anymore...
Probably it was too lose.
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Originally Posted by Agro_pelo
quick update:
I pop out the diff, cleaned and regreased it. Thigthen like the manual sais and it doesn't slip anymore...
Probably it was too lose.
Ball Diffs are super easy to build/maintain/setup if you see one that is done right or have someone explain it to you. You should tighten it up all the way and then back it off 1/8 of a turn. That shouldn't slip at all and a good starting point to the setting.

They also need to be rebuilt probably once a season. If you turn the tires opposite directions and they rotate smoothly, it's ok. If it feels like there's grit or sand in there, it needs a rebuild.
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Originally Posted by M3Man03
Ball Diffs are super easy to build/maintain/setup if you see one that is done right or have someone explain it to you. You should tighten it up all the way and then back it off 1/8 of a turn. That shouldn't slip at all and a good starting point to the setting.

They also need to be rebuilt probably once a season. If you turn the tires opposite directions and they rotate smoothly, it's ok. If it feels like there's grit or sand in there, it needs a rebuild.
It' was my bad. I'm used to gear differential and When i built it, i thougt it was too tight.
Once a season you say? A friend of mine told me to rebuild the diff everytime before going to the track (but he races 1/12 pancar, maybe they are a little different. ).
About the smoothness, the "sand feeling" has to be very pronunced or when i feel even a little grit in the rotation is the time of rebuild?
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Thinking about getting a 2wd buggy. Haven't ran one since the b4.1, so it's been a bit. Mainly I am an onroad guy, but my dad is getting back into off road so I may pick one up. I have an Xray X1 and X12, so figured I would try the Xray route, but I am not sure what to pick up. At the track he runs at it is very high bite clay. They run slicks and get plenty of traction, so I don't know if I would want the carpet car or the dirt car. My dad just got the x22.5 and really likes it though. I have a regular shorty pack to use, not lcg, so not sure if that is an issue. I have all the electronics needed and a spare 17.5. I am not positive I am going to run a buggy yet, but thinking about it. I would probably have to get rid on an onroad car to do it though. The new 20 car looks pretty good though.
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Originally Posted by trilerian
Thinking about getting a 2wd buggy. Haven't ran one since the b4.1, so it's been a bit. Mainly I am an onroad guy, but my dad is getting back into off road so I may pick one up. I have an Xray X1 and X12, so figured I would try the Xray route, but I am not sure what to pick up. At the track he runs at it is very high bite clay. They run slicks and get plenty of traction, so I don't know if I would want the carpet car or the dirt car. My dad just got the x22.5 and really likes it though. I have a regular shorty pack to use, not lcg, so not sure if that is an issue. I have all the electronics needed and a spare 17.5. I am not positive I am going to run a buggy yet, but thinking about it. I would probably have to get rid on an onroad car to do it though. The new 20 car looks pretty good though.
Your your dad and your mom really think you should do this
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Originally Posted by trilerian
Thinking about getting a 2wd buggy. Haven't ran one since the b4.1, so it's been a bit. Mainly I am an onroad guy, but my dad is getting back into off road so I may pick one up. I have an Xray X1 and X12, so figured I would try the Xray route, but I am not sure what to pick up. At the track he runs at it is very high bite clay. They run slicks and get plenty of traction, so I don't know if I would want the carpet car or the dirt car. My dad just got the x22.5 and really likes it though. I have a regular shorty pack to use, not lcg, so not sure if that is an issue. I have all the electronics needed and a spare 17.5. I am not positive I am going to run a buggy yet, but thinking about it. I would probably have to get rid on an onroad car to do it though. The new 20 car looks pretty good though.
Are the people at your local clay track running ball diff or gear diff? If they are running ball diff then get the xb2 dirt car. Otherwise if running gear diffs then get the xb2 carpet car.
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Originally Posted by Anthony.L
Are the people at your local clay track running ball diff or gear diff? If they are running ball diff then get the xb2 dirt car. Otherwise if running gear diffs then get the xb2 carpet car.
I spoke with a guy running the 19 and he said he was running the ball diff. But he had an associated 6.1 before his 19 and ran a gear diff in it. He said both were fine. I am leaning towards the dirt car at this point.

On a side note, has anyone tried to use the 1/10th onroad setup station on their buggy?
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Originally Posted by trilerian
On a side note, has anyone tried to use the 1/10th onroad setup station on their buggy?
On-road setup station will be too low ride height for proper setup on an off-road vehicle. Get the 1/10 off-road setup station, works well on the xb2.
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Does the '20 car have a longer wheelbase(longer chassis?) than '18 and '19 ?
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Finally finished the body. This is hands down the most rewarding build I’ve done in 30 yrs of RC. The XRays are engineering works of art.

Taking it out on the track tomorrow to tune it and dial it in to the track. Can’t wait!!










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What a show-off. Of course with a ride that nice who wouldn't be?
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sooo cooool

this is my 2019 dirt edition with the ball diff working good


forgive my italian waffling
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Originally Posted by El Tigre
Finally finished the body. This is hands down the most rewarding build I’ve done in 30 yrs of RC. The XRays are engineering works of art.

Taking it out on the track tomorrow to tune it and dial it in to the track. Can’t wait!!









Nice looking car but..... Dude the wing. Clean up the cutting and it looks like the film is still on.
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Does anyone have a pair of 2019 xb2 aluminum uprights? I've searched everywhere and I'm not having much luck as every place is out of stock. Xray Part # 323355 thanks.
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Front ultra low shock tower with blacked out and glued edges.

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