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Originally Posted by CoyoteSlash
(Post 9944911)
If you have time to race, you have time to read like we all had to. Sorry, I have little sympathy for this. We all had to read this, it was not handed to us in bullet points. (actually, it has been listed in bullet points about 20 times from people like you asking this way)
I agree.. I had to read it all. Learned a lot also.. side note. Coyote I need to send you funds for my brace Edumakated. http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-item...ch-basket.html That link will take you to the area to buy the Clutch basket. |
Man, so much of this going on, arguing over braces, pins, center chassis, etc. I'm going to say this once. Read carefully, it may be the most important piece of setup advice you ever get. Ready? CAR SETUP IS NOT STATIC, IT'S DYNAMIC, IT'S FLUID! It changes, track to track, driver to driver. There is no magic bullet, one size fits all setup, for any vehicle ever made! Nobody can give you the setup that's going to work for you. Otherwise, there would be precisely ONE Team setup on the AE site. That said, setup depends most one 2 things IMO:
1) Track conditions- What's your track like? Small, tight technical, big, flowing? Low bite, dusty, high bite blue groove? Smooth, blown? Lot of braking required, or do you need a lot of turn in, or mid to exit-steering? You have to figure out what it is you need your truck to do for the track you're on, then make changes to get it where you want it. Even that's not static, because tracks can change during the day. Pay attention, adjust accordingly. There are times where I leave my car alone even if I'm not happy with it early, because I know the track will come to me. Which brings up Item No. 2. 2) Know your limitations and setup accordingly- IMO, this is the thing that matters most. I'm just going to use me and Mantis as an example. We drive differently. He is much more aggressive than I am. Part of that is track time, he's put in more time this month than I have all year LOL. I had a hard time with Sym's car (Mantis setup) last time I drove it, I can't handle an edgy car the way I used to. But, it obviously works for them, because they are turning some ballistic laps, and starting to string them together too. Since I know where my skillz are right now I set up accordingly. I need a truck that's smooth and easy to drive. I am intentionally giving up 0.5 to 0.75 seconds a lap for the ability to run 10 or more laps consistently. I raced mine first time 2 weeks ago. Unpinned, stock chassis config, stock slipper. TQ and win, lapped everyone but 2nd place Losi with it, and he's lucky the horn sounded. I wasn't turning the fastest lap times, but we were 8 minutes into a 10 minute race before a marshal ever had to touch my truck, and that was the only time the whole race. For me, a truck that I can do that with gives me the best chance to win. For Mantis, he can drive a more aggressive setup, because if he makes a couple mistakes he can come back from it. Three or more and I have him though ha ha ha. Pinned, unpinned, stock slipper, basket, brace, no brace, saddles or not, Garodiscs, Exotek, whatever. There are a million tuning options on this truck, and no use arguing about what's "better". Try it, see if you like it. There are several options I haven't tried yet, but I plan to. If you hate it, put it back the way it was before. Pay attention to your track, what your truck is doing on the track, and what you want it to do, and you'll be a lot better off. As an FYI, with a new car, I usually look for a setup on the AE site that has track conditions similar to what I'll be running. I usually pull several others (usually a high bite and a low bite, then a smooth and a bumpy if available) to see what the Team drivers are changing for different type tracks. |
Originally Posted by CoyoteSlash
(Post 9944911)
If you have time to race, you have time to read like we all had to. Sorry, I have little sympathy for this. We all had to read this, it was not handed to us in bullet points. (actually, it has been listed in bullet points about 20 times from people like you asking this way)
If you don't know the answer, keep it to yourself. I got 2500 posts and you have 300. I've earned my right to ask a simple question on this board. The entire purpose of me putting I read the first page was to point out I was not finding the answer I was looking for after looking and using the search tool. I'll get around to reading the whole thread, but at this point I want to make an order and ensure I picked up the the most needed items so I am only doing it once. |
Originally Posted by brent701
(Post 9945149)
I agree.. I had to read it all. Learned a lot also..
side note. Coyote I need to send you funds for my brace Edumakated. http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-item...ch-basket.html That link will take you to the area to buy the Clutch basket. |
cjtamu, you are exactly right. For instance, I let another gentlman at the track try my truck at M&M two saterdays ago, and he said my truck was very neutral, and he liked it alot. To each his own. By the way, what track was that at last weekend where you laid the smack down?:D
Edumakated, I highly recommend the garodisks. They will outlast the stock slipperpads and have proven to me to be much more consistent than the stockers. http://rcshox.com/shoxshop/catalog/i...c98938afddb8a3 |
NIB Vector X-12L 4.5T
$115, you pay shipping.
I too am sick of all the arguing over mods. IMO, AE did a mighty fine job. |
dumb question: how many of you guys still on your first belt and how long do you think it should last because I have been raceing on the same belt all summer outdoors and now winter race is here im thinking about changeing it out. What are your thoughts on this
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Originally Posted by special_k
(Post 9945564)
dumb question: how many of you guys still on your first belt and how long do you think it should last because I have been raceing on the same belt all summer outdoors and now winter race is here im thinking about changeing it out. What are your thoughts on this
Couldn't hurt. I have been on mine for about a month in a half. It feels good. and works. No teeth jumping that I can see or hear. |
I ran my back up belt once just to pre-stretch it out then went back to my original belt. Going to run it untill something bad happens or I race a major event.
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Originally Posted by special_k
(Post 9945564)
dumb question: how many of you guys still on your first belt and how long do you think it should last because I have been raceing on the same belt all summer outdoors and now winter race is here im thinking about changeing it out. What are your thoughts on this
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Originally Posted by Edumakated
(Post 9945316)
Actually, I don't have time to read 500 pages because I am not some high schooler with a ton of free time hence why a lot of threads have a 1st page summary with all the important information. A lot of us have to work for a living. I have time to work 60 hour weeks and in between race when I get a free day. It ain't rainbows and puppies maintaining a 1% income. Scanning 500 pages on RCTech is not practical for those of us with a life outside of this hobby.
If you don't know the answer, keep it to yourself. I got 2500 posts and you have 300. I've earned my right to ask a simple question on this board. The entire purpose of me putting I read the first page was to point out I was not finding the answer I was looking for after looking and using the search tool. I am a Local Hobby Shop employee who is always at work. From 9am to 1am I am looking at a Truck that is not mine, Always repairing, replacing other Bullshit who refuse to read forums and just want it handed to them on a silver platter. Do you know how many people buy two of one thing so them the first one breaks, they send it to get fixed and play with identical truck #2? People who refuse to look at their truck and decide for themselves what they should do. Want me to just TELL them what to do instead of teach them, or TELL them what to put in it instead of reading. They want it now. now now. Reading a forum post on the RACE TRUCK, Not Traxxas Slash you bought? UNPOSSIBLE. Just tell me everything, listed off, so I don't have to work for it like we all have? Yeah, little edgy feeling comes to heart thinking about that. The respect you owe these people is to read what they have put their hearts into for months. But I'm okay with it! You keep me employed. ;) Are you this exact person I've described? Most likely not. But you're still a funny guy. :lol: This is the sole opinion of myself who respects the work you guys have put into it then having it blatantly ignored.
Originally Posted by cjtamu
(Post 9945151)
Man, so much of this going on, arguing over braces, pins, center chassis, etc. I'm going to say this once. Read carefully, it may be the most important piece of setup advice you ever get. Ready? CAR SETUP IS NOT STATIC, IT'S DYNAMIC, IT'S FLUID! It changes, track to track, driver to driver. There is no magic bullet, one size fits all setup, for any vehicle ever made! Nobody can give you the setup that's going to work for you. Otherwise, there would be precisely ONE Team setup on the AE site. That said, setup depends most one 2 things IMO:
1) Track conditions- What's your track like? Small, tight technical, big, flowing? Low bite, dusty, high bite blue groove? Smooth, blown? Lot of braking required, or do you need a lot of turn in, or mid to exit-steering? You have to figure out what it is you need your truck to do for the track you're on, then make changes to get it where you want it. Even that's not static, because tracks can change during the day. Pay attention, adjust accordingly. There are times where I leave my car alone even if I'm not happy with it early, because I know the track will come to me. Which brings up Item No. 2. 2) Know your limitations and setup accordingly- IMO, this is the thing that matters most. I'm just going to use me and Mantis as an example. We drive differently. He is much more aggressive than I am. Part of that is track time, he's put in more time this month than I have all year LOL. I had a hard time with Sym's car (Mantis setup) last time I drove it, I can't handle an edgy car the way I used to. But, it obviously works for them, because they are turning some ballistic laps, and starting to string them together too. Since I know where my skillz are right now I set up accordingly. I need a truck that's smooth and easy to drive. I am intentionally giving up 0.5 to 0.75 seconds a lap for the ability to run 10 or more laps consistently. I raced mine first time 2 weeks ago. Unpinned, stock chassis config, stock slipper. TQ and win, lapped everyone but 2nd place Losi with it, and he's lucky the horn sounded. I wasn't turning the fastest lap times, but we were 8 minutes into a 10 minute race before a marshal ever had to touch my truck, and that was the only time the whole race. For me, a truck that I can do that with gives me the best chance to win. For Mantis, he can drive a more aggressive setup, because if he makes a couple mistakes he can come back from it. Three or more and I have him though ha ha ha. Pinned, unpinned, stock slipper, basket, brace, no brace, saddles or not, Garodiscs, Exotek, whatever. There are a million tuning options on this truck, and no use arguing about what's "better". Try it, see if you like it. There are several options I haven't tried yet, but I plan to. If you hate it, put it back the way it was before. Pay attention to your track, what your truck is doing on the track, and what you want it to do, and you'll be a lot better off. As an FYI, with a new car, I usually look for a setup on the AE site that has track conditions similar to what I'll be running. I usually pull several others (usually a high bite and a low bite, then a smooth and a bumpy if available) to see what the Team drivers are changing for different type tracks. I am done arguing. I deleted my post last night to do just that. My point is lost in my poor use of wording and the ratio. |
Originally Posted by cjtamu
(Post 9945151)
Man, so much of this going on, arguing over braces, pins, center chassis, etc. I'm going to say this once. Read carefully, it may be the most important piece of setup advice you ever get. Ready? CAR SETUP IS NOT STATIC, IT'S DYNAMIC, IT'S FLUID! It changes, track to track, driver to driver. There is no magic bullet, one size fits all setup, for any vehicle ever made! Nobody can give you the setup that's going to work for you. Otherwise, there would be precisely ONE Team setup on the AE site. That said, setup depends most one 2 things IMO:
1) Track conditions- What's your track like? Small, tight technical, big, flowing? Low bite, dusty, high bite blue groove? Smooth, blown? Lot of braking required, or do you need a lot of turn in, or mid to exit-steering? You have to figure out what it is you need your truck to do for the track you're on, then make changes to get it where you want it. Even that's not static, because tracks can change during the day. Pay attention, adjust accordingly. There are times where I leave my car alone even if I'm not happy with it early, because I know the track will come to me. Which brings up Item No. 2. 2) Know your limitations and setup accordingly- IMO, this is the thing that matters most. I'm just going to use me and Mantis as an example. We drive differently. He is much more aggressive than I am. Part of that is track time, he's put in more time this month than I have all year LOL. I had a hard time with Sym's car (Mantis setup) last time I drove it, I can't handle an edgy car the way I used to. But, it obviously works for them, because they are turning some ballistic laps, and starting to string them together too. Since I know where my skillz are right now I set up accordingly. I need a truck that's smooth and easy to drive. I am intentionally giving up 0.5 to 0.75 seconds a lap for the ability to run 10 or more laps consistently. I raced mine first time 2 weeks ago. Unpinned, stock chassis config, stock slipper. TQ and win, lapped everyone but 2nd place Losi with it, and he's lucky the horn sounded. I wasn't turning the fastest lap times, but we were 8 minutes into a 10 minute race before a marshal ever had to touch my truck, and that was the only time the whole race. For me, a truck that I can do that with gives me the best chance to win. For Mantis, he can drive a more aggressive setup, because if he makes a couple mistakes he can come back from it. Three or more and I have him though ha ha ha. Pinned, unpinned, stock slipper, basket, brace, no brace, saddles or not, Garodiscs, Exotek, whatever. There are a million tuning options on this truck, and no use arguing about what's "better". Try it, see if you like it. There are several options I haven't tried yet, but I plan to. If you hate it, put it back the way it was before. Pay attention to your track, what your truck is doing on the track, and what you want it to do, and you'll be a lot better off. As an FYI, with a new car, I usually look for a setup on the AE site that has track conditions similar to what I'll be running. I usually pull several others (usually a high bite and a low bite, then a smooth and a bumpy if available) to see what the Team drivers are changing for different type tracks.
Originally Posted by special_k
(Post 9945564)
dumb question: how many of you guys still on your first belt and how long do you think it should last because I have been raceing on the same belt all summer outdoors and now winter race is here im thinking about changeing it out. What are your thoughts on this
I am on the same belt that I built the kit with back in January. It's probably time to change it but to be honest it's still kickin and doesn't really need to be changed. |
Originally Posted by cjtamu
(Post 9945151)
Man, so much of this going on, arguing over braces, pins, center chassis, etc. I'm going to say this once. Read carefully, it may be the most important piece of setup advice you ever get. Ready? CAR SETUP IS NOT STATIC, IT'S DYNAMIC, IT'S FLUID! It changes, track to track, driver to driver. There is no magic bullet, one size fits all setup, for any vehicle ever made! Nobody can give you the setup that's going to work for you. Otherwise, there would be precisely ONE Team setup on the AE site. That said, setup depends most one 2 things IMO:
1) Track conditions- What's your track like? Small, tight technical, big, flowing? Low bite, dusty, high bite blue groove? Smooth, blown? Lot of braking required, or do you need a lot of turn in, or mid to exit-steering? You have to figure out what it is you need your truck to do for the track you're on, then make changes to get it where you want it. Even that's not static, because tracks can change during the day. Pay attention, adjust accordingly. There are times where I leave my car alone even if I'm not happy with it early, because I know the track will come to me. Which brings up Item No. 2. 2) Know your limitations and setup accordingly- IMO, this is the thing that matters most. I'm just going to use me and Mantis as an example. We drive differently. He is much more aggressive than I am. Part of that is track time, he's put in more time this month than I have all year LOL. I had a hard time with Sym's car (Mantis setup) last time I drove it, I can't handle an edgy car the way I used to. But, it obviously works for them, because they are turning some ballistic laps, and starting to string them together too. Since I know where my skillz are right now I set up accordingly. I need a truck that's smooth and easy to drive. I am intentionally giving up 0.5 to 0.75 seconds a lap for the ability to run 10 or more laps consistently. I raced mine first time 2 weeks ago. Unpinned, stock chassis config, stock slipper. TQ and win, lapped everyone but 2nd place Losi with it, and he's lucky the horn sounded. I wasn't turning the fastest lap times, but we were 8 minutes into a 10 minute race before a marshal ever had to touch my truck, and that was the only time the whole race. For me, a truck that I can do that with gives me the best chance to win. For Mantis, he can drive a more aggressive setup, because if he makes a couple mistakes he can come back from it. Three or more and I have him though ha ha ha. Pinned, unpinned, stock slipper, basket, brace, no brace, saddles or not, Garodiscs, Exotek, whatever. There are a million tuning options on this truck, and no use arguing about what's "better". Try it, see if you like it. There are several options I haven't tried yet, but I plan to. If you hate it, put it back the way it was before. Pay attention to your track, what your truck is doing on the track, and what you want it to do, and you'll be a lot better off. As an FYI, with a new car, I usually look for a setup on the AE site that has track conditions similar to what I'll be running. I usually pull several others (usually a high bite and a low bite, then a smooth and a bumpy if available) to see what the Team drivers are changing for different type tracks. |
Originally Posted by symmetricon
(Post 9945338)
cjtamu, you are exactly right. For instance, I let another gentlman at the track try my truck at M&M two saterdays ago, and he said my truck was very neutral, and he liked it alot. To each his own. By the way, what track was that at last weekend where you laid the smack down?:D
Edumakated, I highly recommend the garodisks. They will outlast the stock slipperpads and have proven to me to be much more consistent than the stockers. http://rcshox.com/shoxshop/catalog/i...c98938afddb8a3 |
maybe if someone could put together a link to some of mod's/ post's, we wouldn't keep getting these question's? I've read through most of it now only problem i have is finding the post's again...
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