B44.1 Thread
#1006
#1009
Just finished building my new B44.1. Setup is all stock.
Strange thing is that the rear wheels have way too much camber; 4-5 degree negative.
As per p13 of the manual I made the rear camber link 67mm (actually the manual which is supposed to be scale 1:1 results in just below 66mm).
I checked all other setting several times but I did not do anything wrong... Manual must be wrong?!??!
Can anyone check the length of your rear turnbuckle? Please let me know if you measure end to end or center of ball cup to center of ball cup (as per the manual). I'd like to achieve -1 degrees camber which is stock. I know I can use the setup tool but I'd rather find out what went wrong and what the correct length should be.
I've been google-ing for an hour but can't find anything...
Strange thing is that the rear wheels have way too much camber; 4-5 degree negative.
As per p13 of the manual I made the rear camber link 67mm (actually the manual which is supposed to be scale 1:1 results in just below 66mm).
I checked all other setting several times but I did not do anything wrong... Manual must be wrong?!??!

Can anyone check the length of your rear turnbuckle? Please let me know if you measure end to end or center of ball cup to center of ball cup (as per the manual). I'd like to achieve -1 degrees camber which is stock. I know I can use the setup tool but I'd rather find out what went wrong and what the correct length should be.
I've been google-ing for an hour but can't find anything...
#1010
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,301
From: Conducting aggressive board meetings at my local track
Strange thing is that the rear wheels have way too much camber; 4-5 degree negative.
As per p13 of the manual I made the rear camber link 67mm (actually the manual which is supposed to be scale 1:1 results in just below 66mm).
I checked all other setting several times but I did not do anything wrong... Manual must be wrong?!??!
Can anyone check the length of your rear turnbuckle? Please let me know if you measure end to end or center of ball cup to center of ball cup (as per the manual). I'd like to achieve -1 degrees camber which is stock. I know I can use the setup tool but I'd rather find out what went wrong and what the correct length should be.
I've been google-ing for an hour but can't find anything...
As per p13 of the manual I made the rear camber link 67mm (actually the manual which is supposed to be scale 1:1 results in just below 66mm).
I checked all other setting several times but I did not do anything wrong... Manual must be wrong?!??!

Can anyone check the length of your rear turnbuckle? Please let me know if you measure end to end or center of ball cup to center of ball cup (as per the manual). I'd like to achieve -1 degrees camber which is stock. I know I can use the setup tool but I'd rather find out what went wrong and what the correct length should be.
I've been google-ing for an hour but can't find anything...
Either way, I use the middle hole for the rear ball stud and the links are 69 mm. Without measuring I'm gonna guess I have about -1 degree of camber.
#1011
Just finished building my new B44.1. Setup is all stock.
Strange thing is that the rear wheels have way too much camber; 4-5 degree negative.
As per p13 of the manual I made the rear camber link 67mm (actually the manual which is supposed to be scale 1:1 results in just below 66mm).
I checked all other setting several times but I did not do anything wrong... Manual must be wrong?!??!
Can anyone check the length of your rear turnbuckle? Please let me know if you measure end to end or center of ball cup to center of ball cup (as per the manual). I'd like to achieve -1 degrees camber which is stock. I know I can use the setup tool but I'd rather find out what went wrong and what the correct length should be.
I've been google-ing for an hour but can't find anything...
Strange thing is that the rear wheels have way too much camber; 4-5 degree negative.
As per p13 of the manual I made the rear camber link 67mm (actually the manual which is supposed to be scale 1:1 results in just below 66mm).
I checked all other setting several times but I did not do anything wrong... Manual must be wrong?!??!

Can anyone check the length of your rear turnbuckle? Please let me know if you measure end to end or center of ball cup to center of ball cup (as per the manual). I'd like to achieve -1 degrees camber which is stock. I know I can use the setup tool but I'd rather find out what went wrong and what the correct length should be.
I've been google-ing for an hour but can't find anything...
#1012
Just finished building my new B44.1. Setup is all stock.
Strange thing is that the rear wheels have way too much camber; 4-5 degree negative.
As per p13 of the manual I made the rear camber link 67mm (actually the manual which is supposed to be scale 1:1 results in just below 66mm).
I checked all other setting several times but I did not do anything wrong... Manual must be wrong?!??!
Can anyone check the length of your rear turnbuckle? Please let me know if you measure end to end or center of ball cup to center of ball cup (as per the manual). I'd like to achieve -1 degrees camber which is stock. I know I can use the setup tool but I'd rather find out what went wrong and what the correct length should be.
I've been google-ing for an hour but can't find anything...
Strange thing is that the rear wheels have way too much camber; 4-5 degree negative.
As per p13 of the manual I made the rear camber link 67mm (actually the manual which is supposed to be scale 1:1 results in just below 66mm).
I checked all other setting several times but I did not do anything wrong... Manual must be wrong?!??!

Can anyone check the length of your rear turnbuckle? Please let me know if you measure end to end or center of ball cup to center of ball cup (as per the manual). I'd like to achieve -1 degrees camber which is stock. I know I can use the setup tool but I'd rather find out what went wrong and what the correct length should be.
I've been google-ing for an hour but can't find anything...
#1013
Thanks for the tips.
I changed to 68+mm and then it was around -2 degrees. Did notice the wheels were not symmetrical (same angle of camber) even though the turnbuckles were EXACTLY the same length...
Had to make small adjustments.
Now all OK and once on the track I will fine tune to my liking
But first have to wait for my electronics to come in. Ordered and shipped but not in yet...
I changed to 68+mm and then it was around -2 degrees. Did notice the wheels were not symmetrical (same angle of camber) even though the turnbuckles were EXACTLY the same length...
Had to make small adjustments. Now all OK and once on the track I will fine tune to my liking

But first have to wait for my electronics to come in. Ordered and shipped but not in yet...
#1015
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,301
From: Conducting aggressive board meetings at my local track

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#1016
Thanks for the tips.
I changed to 68+mm and then it was around -2 degrees. Did notice the wheels were not symmetrical (same angle of camber) even though the turnbuckles were EXACTLY the same length...
Had to make small adjustments.
Now all OK and once on the track I will fine tune to my liking
But first have to wait for my electronics to come in. Ordered and shipped but not in yet...
I changed to 68+mm and then it was around -2 degrees. Did notice the wheels were not symmetrical (same angle of camber) even though the turnbuckles were EXACTLY the same length...
Had to make small adjustments. Now all OK and once on the track I will fine tune to my liking

But first have to wait for my electronics to come in. Ordered and shipped but not in yet...
You can get a lot of different driving feel from playing with the camber. When the track is tacky I run -2/rear -1/front and I run that most of the time. I have ran -1/rear and 0/front but the traction has to be awesome. I always run less in the front to balance how the kit drives, it seems to give the rear more traction.
By playing with the front camber you can get more steering or even some push. More negative is more steering going in off power and less camber is more push going in off power and less gives great on power coming out with more control BTW.
-1 is a happy medium for most all round on the front. If you have a lot of short burst jumps -1 is popular all around, it gives decent forward bite. The more camber I use makes forward bite on power kinda loose though if the track is dry. Less on dry makes it more precise in a straight line, great for jumps but horrible in the turns. More has been good for me when its dry in the infield.
Long post but hope it helps. I've messed with set ups so much I'm drained. I just set it up for medium traction (-1/front -2/rear) and let it ride any more and just leave it. It works well for club racing. Each round is different at our track so changing and knowing what to set it at per round takes a lot of testing per track. Good luck. We most always have at least Medium traction.
Maybe others will chime in as well.
#1017
If in a pinch having as in a broken ball cup in warm ups, the settings and lengths noted make for a quick change out. I measure mine from the outside of the ball cups. If you commonly run a certain camber making all your back up sets the same accurate length is the only way to make a quick change before a race. Been there.
#1018
I modified AE part #7336 to use as side mounts to replace the plastic tabs that screw to the sides of the chassis. Works like a charm.
Last edited by TJMac; 12-28-2011 at 11:24 AM.
#1020
Correct. However, the tracks I run aren't packed enough to run protective film only so those tabs are basically useless, which is why I replaced them with what you see in the picture. Using those mounts I now don't need to use the servo mount and the other little screw to mount the under body.



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