[QUOTE=chicky03;9888347]Or you could spend $389 for a 35plus21 and get Novarossi quality, run the engine de-tuned in qualifying while still turning same lap times as any other engine and open it up for the main and be really fast!

You're referring to pros like yourself, I'm talking about the average racer who's going to slow down when they de-tune that engine.

I do not think the 3:30 fuelstop Flash engines Stefan and I are mentioning are the same as we can buy in the shops. An avarage racer can still run 4:45 up to 5 minutes with a stock flash (I can with a JP modified 35+). The stock flash is a tiny bit higher timed than the 35plus21 so I think the avarage racer can be (for his level) fast enough and making 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=quietstorm76;9888417]Actually Roelof is correct! The average racer can run a more wide open engine package and make better fuel mileage. "pros" have to detune more and it makes them go a lot slower than they are really capable of going. I've seen many times where an average racer will go faster with 16% than 25% because their car or driving can't handle the extra power. At this point they get insane fuel mileage.

I wonder if we would be having this discussion if Novarossi was selling engines with these prices a long time ago. Some competition comes along and now there's a big price drop. (Imo) it's too late, the classes have already suffered too many losses.

are you talking about tuned engines from the factory or something special ones?

Props for some good posts that I been reading
I would like to get a real answer & not just someone's thought
Plus 35 going for $3+ but 6 months ago the price were in the mid $5's
Flash 21 Tuned great motor the last 1 I purchased was $6 flat
Now the Flash pts tuned is $6 flat great price but last month 1 was purchased for $760 that is when picco came in with a great product & price just IMO
Why does it take the momentum of another brand to bring down prices
I guess if there was no competition we all would be happy paying higher prices to race

Picco engine really good engine. But not in same league as novarossi. If I had to chose between a picco 21 and a plus 35 steel bearing I'd take the latter.

And as for the pts tuned definately you get what your paying for in power and reliabilty. And technology.

What I got was a bad ceramic rear beering in my flash but no way could it be defective it had to be a bad clutch or no it was the fuel we ran at the pre worlds there's goes the reliability & I can imagine other racers that I know that have had the same experience with Nova beerings nothing is perfect but you said it you pay for what you get.
I just like that I am paying less & my dollar is going farther

There were probably 10 or more blown engines at pre world not all novarossi. So reliability there dude. I seen few bad bearings in new picco after low run time could be bad fuel batches or most likely poor tuning.

Kangaroo won nats last year. Novarossi won pe worlds worlds and this years nats. As well as a long list of others. A plus 35 steel bearing motor under 400 bucks is beastly. And new kangaroos are 329 or so. Another solid motor.

Your paying less and getting less. The thing is your the distributors buddy so your really payin less. Lol

Your paying less and getting less. The thing is your the distributors buddy so your really payin less. Lol[/QUOTE]

Bad example Phil Im also friends with your distributor & with a lot of other distributor so what's your point My cash is just like your's
Friends are friends but bussiness is bussiness don't assume what u don't know
But I understand your sponsored & gonna represent your sponsor which is cool

I guess your still upset with our last conversation over the phone

Phil.... remember this thread you started? http://www.rctech.net/forum/nitro-ro...re-prices.html

Products should be sold at what ever prices the market can stand! I'm okay with Novarossi prices, I'm okay with Picco. I run Nova's because that is what I like. Others will run what they want because of their own reasons.

Free market means just that.....we are free to chose what we buy for our own personal reason. I have chosen IDM / Picco and the race results will speak for them selves.

Bad example Phil Im also friends with your distributor & with a lot of other distributor so what's your point My cash is just like your's
Friends are friends but bussiness is bussiness don't assume what u don't know
But I understand your sponsored & gonna represent your sponsor which is cool

I guess your still upset with our last conversation over the phone[/QUOTE]

I was joking I guess bad timing for my humor. Our last convo on the picco you were gonna sell me the price was 40 bucks higher than rc mart if that's what you mean.

That was before he got a sponsorship just like a politician busted