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Old 07-06-2011 | 01:29 PM
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I just ordered one to try. I figure between all the disc that AE makes you can tune the front and rear to your liking with this kit.

Although I here that AE is going to make the pads thicker to help with the spring problem I don't think it will help with getting more power to the ground. More pad is needed to get the bite for the power we run.
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Old 07-06-2011 | 01:50 PM
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Maybe I'm just dense but couldn't you acheive the same effect by just glueing two slipper pads together and running them on the outside? Just curious.
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Old 07-06-2011 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Robotech
Maybe I'm just dense but couldn't you acheive the same effect by just glueing two slipper pads together and running them on the outside? Just curious.
Pad thickness will only help with the issue of the spring needing to be compressed so far in order to get the needed tension on the slipper pads to bit as much as needed.

The basket kit inludes an addtional plate that goes in between the two slipper pads and the plate is slotted just like the slipper but so that it will drive the transmission shaft. This setup doubles the effective friction/drive surface you have for the rear wheels on the truck.
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Old 07-06-2011 | 01:59 PM
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I think the heat would break down the bond between the two slippers and you'd end up with a mess. If you try it, definately let me know if I'm wrong....it does sound like an interesting proposition.
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Old 07-06-2011 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JFuel11
The basket kit inludes an addtional plate that goes in between the two slipper pads and the plate is slotted just like the slipper but so that it will drive the transmission shaft. This setup doubles the effective friction/drive surface you have for the rear wheels on the truck.
Didn't think about that aspect...figured there was something I wasn't taking into consideration.
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Old 07-06-2011 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueGlowBoy
It might seem like I'm nitpicking, and making mountains out of molehills, but running uneven lengths of wiring is not a great idea, electrically speaking.
If you want the best performance out of your motor and ESC you will use the same length of wire from pole A to pole A as you will from pole B to pole B and pole C to pole C.... no matter how ugly it looks.... though to be honest, you can make it look just as nice, but it takes some creativity....

That image certainly shows that pole a to a is almost twice as long as pole C to pole C.... it might seem trivial, but it WILL affect the performance of the motor.... extra heat, less punch, not as smooth....

technically speaking your probably right, but i doubt ill even notice the .000000456 ohms of resistance i lost if the pros are doing it, then i think it will be good enough for me
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Old 07-06-2011 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rednck21
technically speaking your probably right, but i doubt ill even notice the .000000456 ohms of resistance i lost if the pros are doing it, then i think it will be good enough for me
electrons move pretty darn fast lool. if we were talking about exhaust header lengths than i would totally agree.
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Old 07-06-2011 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rednck21
technically speaking your probably right, but i doubt ill even notice the .000000456 ohms of resistance i lost if the pros are doing it, then i think it will be good enough for me
In the old days of electric oval racing there was a pretty noticable difference in shortening your motor and battery wires. (This was back when ALL speed controls came as four wire affairs with twin possitive leads.) This was taking sometimes as much as 6"-12" of wire out of the equasion.

Today, with technoligy being what it is and with the way these things are set up, a difference of 1" is probably VERY slight but I'm willing to be there is a difference.
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Old 07-06-2011 | 04:08 PM
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The concern is not the speed of the electrons, it is that those phases will lose some voltage due to resistance in the extra wire length. If the motor gets imbalanced power, it won't run as efficiently.

But based on the pic I doubt there's anything to worry about.




As for the slipper pads, mine seems fine so far with the 1410 motor. I just swapped the HD pad in on the rear only. I did think the design looked lacking though considering the power to the rear wheels on these. I figure if the front and rear pads are the same the front will never ever slip... it would wheel spin before slipping.

In fact to balance it out I would run an even thinner pad up front if they had one (or cut the center out more?)

I bet there's some better materials for the job, but then you have to worry about wear on the slipper plates.
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Old 07-06-2011 | 05:47 PM
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I dropped yours off tonight, along with everyone else that ordered one.
And no, HD pads aren't not required,,, but like someone else posted, you can play around with what combination to use, depending on your track.


Originally Posted by Numburn
I just broke down and placed the order for the clutch basket. The pictures look like 3 HD pads are used. Is this best practice?

Mac, beggers can't be choosers with free shipping but I'd appreciate it if you could get it out ASAP. I'm hoping to get it installed before Bring the Heat.
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Old 07-06-2011 | 06:22 PM
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What basket are you guys talking about..clearly I missed the post/pic/product in the thread..i looked but damn..im lost..
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Old 07-06-2011 | 06:25 PM
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Follow this link,,,, http://gearrings.weebly.com/rc-racing-stuff.html

Originally Posted by MasiisaM
What basket are you guys talking about..clearly I missed the post/pic/product in the thread..i looked but damn..im lost..
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Old 07-06-2011 | 07:04 PM
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Are people adding the extras to the slipper because it is slipping, even when tightened down?
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Old 07-06-2011 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Chad Smith
Are people adding the extras to the slipper because it is slipping, even when tightened down?
Yes. This will give the slipper part that handles the rear drive three friction surfaces to control the slip to the rear drive. More surface= less tension, less heat, and less fade.

2wd had less weight and two pads to make power. This truck is heavy and then AE took away one pad to drive the front. On mine the front does not slip hardly at all but the rear slips a lot. The nature of the design we only have one spring and nut to control the bite for both ends of the truck. AE gave us the HT pads but they are still not really enough for the hot motors. .
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Old 07-06-2011 | 07:49 PM
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I have had no problems with my slipper..Dunno, maybe it's b/c im running a 2pole 540 motor..I have seen others run 550's with no issues at the track...Ask T-birdy if this would be considered this "band aid"??lol.....If I need it,I will get it when i get a better/bigger motor.. It sure seems like a "band aid' though, dont think team Ae or any of there team drivers use this mod or need it..Don't know, maybe im wrong, im just not feeling having to add the extra hardware on the slipper assembly when the team ae guys have tested and enginereed this truck accordingly...Would this be a necessary mod due too a design flaw??That's what this mod implies??Ill do it if it's an issue i run into..Have not put it through tough race day paces really just yet..Time will tell if I need to get this mod I guess?
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