Go-Tech Engines Thread
#8641
Hey guys,
Glad to hear from you all. I'm getting a TON of email, trying to answer it all, and make headway in getting this thing off the ground.
Anyways, I've been working on the pricing structure for dealers and trying to figure the best parts to stock up on. So, I figured that this would be a good place as any to pose the question.
For those of you awaiting parts, what are you waiting on? On my list, I've got conrods (duh, and lots), a couple of cranks, piston/pin/sleeve/rod kits, a few carbs- both old and new (GX carbs dont work with the older models), various seals, bearings, etc.
Anything else?
Also, have your dealers contact me! I'm planning on placing the first order next week, and I want to be as inclusive off the bat as I can!
As for the website, I'm going to be putting up an informational site, then relying on dealers and online retailers for delivery. This way I can concentrate on the business at hand, rather than spending days coding a new site.
Glad to hear from you all. I'm getting a TON of email, trying to answer it all, and make headway in getting this thing off the ground.
Anyways, I've been working on the pricing structure for dealers and trying to figure the best parts to stock up on. So, I figured that this would be a good place as any to pose the question.
For those of you awaiting parts, what are you waiting on? On my list, I've got conrods (duh, and lots), a couple of cranks, piston/pin/sleeve/rod kits, a few carbs- both old and new (GX carbs dont work with the older models), various seals, bearings, etc.
Anything else?
Also, have your dealers contact me! I'm planning on placing the first order next week, and I want to be as inclusive off the bat as I can!
As for the website, I'm going to be putting up an informational site, then relying on dealers and online retailers for delivery. This way I can concentrate on the business at hand, rather than spending days coding a new site.
#8643
You didn't put the con rod piston in back wards? If it worked when you took apart should work when you put back together. Is the crank all the way in? Do you have the sleeve set in correctly? I use dish washing soap to install my seals. It dries up and will not crack the seals.


I assemble everything in correct order, its just that it will turn to some degree but will not turn over (I have to force it to make it turn over. It was difficult to take the crank shaft out when I took the engine apart. I told my LHS that it seems that the bearing does not align properly, it looks offset a little bit however I put it back in

But when they replace the crank shaft every thing is ok but still a little bit tight when turning at some angle 
Wat do the engine factory use to lub the O rings, I thought rubber grease
, is it same as automotive rubber grease ???
#8644
Sorry guys i meant the crankshaft would not turn properly not the con rod 

I assemble everything in correct order, its just that it will turn to some degree but will not turn over (I have to force it to make it turn over. It was difficult to take the crank shaft out when I took the engine apart. I told my LHS that it seems that the bearing does not align properly, it looks offset a little bit however I put it back in
But when they replace the crank shaft every thing is ok but still a little bit tight when turning at some angle 
Wat do the engine factory use to lub the O rings, I thought rubber grease
, is it same as automotive rubber grease ???


I assemble everything in correct order, its just that it will turn to some degree but will not turn over (I have to force it to make it turn over. It was difficult to take the crank shaft out when I took the engine apart. I told my LHS that it seems that the bearing does not align properly, it looks offset a little bit however I put it back in

But when they replace the crank shaft every thing is ok but still a little bit tight when turning at some angle 
Wat do the engine factory use to lub the O rings, I thought rubber grease
, is it same as automotive rubber grease ???The sleeve is slightly tapered at the top, to provide a good piston to sleeve seal. When the motor is new the piston is very tight in the sleeve at, or around TDC. As the motor wears in this "pinch" slowly wears away to where the piston is a nice snug fit, not as tight. This is what gives you your compression.
When turning the crank over without a flywheel on, it will be very hard to get the piston past TDC and back again because of the pinch. This means your motor is in good condition, and will have good compression and performance.
Re-assemble the motor and run it. It is fine by the sounds of it. Make sure you have the piston facing the right way - lower skirt to the rear, and the con rod in the right way - oil feed notch running the length of the rod should be facing the front (crank shaft), otherwise you will not get sufficient oil to the rod bushes.
Hope this makes sense.

You should only need to lube the carb needle O ring seals. Guys use all different things. Rubber grease should be OK. Get yourself some of the newer Nitrile O ring seals. These won't go hard and flakey, and they last forever.
#8645
What is happening is normal - it is called "pinch".
The sleeve is slightly tapered at the top, to provide a good piston to sleeve seal. When the motor is new the piston is very tight in the sleeve at, or around TDC. As the motor wears in this "pinch" slowly wears away to where the piston is a nice snug fit, not as tight. This is what gives you your compression.
When turning the crank over without a flywheel on, it will be very hard to get the piston past TDC and back again because of the pinch. This means your motor is in good condition, and will have good compression and performance.
Re-assemble the motor and run it. It is fine by the sounds of it. Make sure you have the piston facing the right way - lower skirt to the rear, and the con rod in the right way - oil feed notch running the length of the rod should be facing the front (crank shaft), otherwise you will not get sufficient oil to the rod bushes.
Hope this makes sense.
You should only need to lube the carb needle O ring seals. Guys use all different things. Rubber grease should be OK. Get yourself some of the newer Nitrile O ring seals. These won't go hard and flakey, and they last forever.
The sleeve is slightly tapered at the top, to provide a good piston to sleeve seal. When the motor is new the piston is very tight in the sleeve at, or around TDC. As the motor wears in this "pinch" slowly wears away to where the piston is a nice snug fit, not as tight. This is what gives you your compression.
When turning the crank over without a flywheel on, it will be very hard to get the piston past TDC and back again because of the pinch. This means your motor is in good condition, and will have good compression and performance.
Re-assemble the motor and run it. It is fine by the sounds of it. Make sure you have the piston facing the right way - lower skirt to the rear, and the con rod in the right way - oil feed notch running the length of the rod should be facing the front (crank shaft), otherwise you will not get sufficient oil to the rod bushes.
Hope this makes sense.

You should only need to lube the carb needle O ring seals. Guys use all different things. Rubber grease should be OK. Get yourself some of the newer Nitrile O ring seals. These won't go hard and flakey, and they last forever.

, My LHS says its ok
My other engines does not do that 
By the way thanx for the tips on greasing o rings

#8646
But I tried to turn it witout the piston/liner and con rod and it still gets stuck (before changing crankshaft) Now that the crank is new it still fells a little bit tight at some point 
, My LHS says its ok
My other engines does not do that 
By the way thanx for the tips on greasing o rings


, My LHS says its ok
My other engines does not do that 
By the way thanx for the tips on greasing o rings


I just assumed you had it all assembled.OK - sounds like you have a bearing problem, can't be much else. Either one of the bearings is faulty, or one of them is not sitting fully or squarley in the crankcase. I would lean toward the later. Normally bearings only get rough or "notchy". It would have to be partially seized to stop the crankshaft turning, and I am sure you would have picked that up straight away.
Do you have access to a bearing removal / installation tool. If so, heat up the crankcase real hot, and try to ensure the bearings are seated properly with the tool. If not heat up and gently tap the bearings all around the circumference with a soft wooden dowell or something similar to make sure thay are seated properly. You mentioned you thought one of the bearings was a little off line - could well be they were not fitted correctly, especially if they were seated in without heating the crankcase first.
Let us know what happens
#8647
Oops sorry
I just assumed you had it all assembled.
OK - sounds like you have a bearing problem, can't be much else. Either one of the bearings is faulty, or one of them is not sitting fully or squarley in the crankcase. I would lean toward the later. Normally bearings only get rough or "notchy". It would have to be partially seized to stop the crankshaft turning, and I am sure you would have picked that up straight away.
Do you have access to a bearing removal / installation tool. If so, heat up the crankcase real hot, and try to ensure the bearings are seated properly with the tool. If not heat up and gently tap the bearings all around the circumference with a soft wooden dowell or something similar to make sure thay are seated properly. You mentioned you thought one of the bearings was a little off line - could well be they were not fitted correctly, especially if they were seated in without heating the crankcase first.
Let us know what happens
I just assumed you had it all assembled.OK - sounds like you have a bearing problem, can't be much else. Either one of the bearings is faulty, or one of them is not sitting fully or squarley in the crankcase. I would lean toward the later. Normally bearings only get rough or "notchy". It would have to be partially seized to stop the crankshaft turning, and I am sure you would have picked that up straight away.
Do you have access to a bearing removal / installation tool. If so, heat up the crankcase real hot, and try to ensure the bearings are seated properly with the tool. If not heat up and gently tap the bearings all around the circumference with a soft wooden dowell or something similar to make sure thay are seated properly. You mentioned you thought one of the bearings was a little off line - could well be they were not fitted correctly, especially if they were seated in without heating the crankcase first.
Let us know what happens

#8648
Heat the motor up, and re-do the bearings. I think it will solve your problem. I doubt very much that the crankacase has been machines incorrectly. More likely the main bearing is not seated properly. Have a look directly down on the main bearing with the sleeve removed. You should be able to see if it is flush with the seat on both sides from this angle.
Some of the top line removal tools will pull and replace bearings without heating, but I believe it is always a good policy to heat the crankcase to expand it and make removal and re-fitting easier on you, the crankcase and the bearing.
The bearings are a press fit and are designed not to move. When you pull them out and hammer or force them back in cold it's very hard on both surfaces. If they were put in cold and one of them didn't fully seat, this may well be your problem.
I use a simple OFNA tool. Nothing fancy, and with some gentle heating with a hot air paint stripping gun, the bearings come out and go back in with very little effort.
Some of the top line removal tools will pull and replace bearings without heating, but I believe it is always a good policy to heat the crankcase to expand it and make removal and re-fitting easier on you, the crankcase and the bearing.
The bearings are a press fit and are designed not to move. When you pull them out and hammer or force them back in cold it's very hard on both surfaces. If they were put in cold and one of them didn't fully seat, this may well be your problem.
I use a simple OFNA tool. Nothing fancy, and with some gentle heating with a hot air paint stripping gun, the bearings come out and go back in with very little effort.
Last edited by grizz1; 09-15-2009 at 10:27 PM.
#8649
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Update,
Managed to get 9 tanks through the motor now (neighbours must hate me
)
done 1 tank on idle with a sock over the head
done the next 4 tanks with a sock over the head driving around garden
then removed sock added shell leaned the top out to get temps in the 200 range i done 3 tanks like this bottom end was sluggish
then i leaned the bottom end out to make it a little crisper on take off this done a nice job of that highest temp was 235 and that was when the tank was nearly empty
Its going to get raced this sunday so far really really impressed with this motor, no cuts during run in and it idles like a champ
Managed to get 9 tanks through the motor now (neighbours must hate me
)done 1 tank on idle with a sock over the head
done the next 4 tanks with a sock over the head driving around garden
then removed sock added shell leaned the top out to get temps in the 200 range i done 3 tanks like this bottom end was sluggish
then i leaned the bottom end out to make it a little crisper on take off this done a nice job of that highest temp was 235 and that was when the tank was nearly empty
Its going to get raced this sunday so far really really impressed with this motor, no cuts during run in and it idles like a champ
#8650
i have to replace one of the blocks on my old 7 port the front bearing wouldnt sit square when looking at you could see a fant line gap and the crank felt awful to rotate but it still ran but chewed bearings , got another seconhand block problem solved .. have you removed the bearings at all ?
#8651
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i have to replace one of the blocks on my old 7 port the front bearing wouldnt sit square when looking at you could see a fant line gap and the crank felt awful to rotate but it still ran but chewed bearings , got another seconhand block problem solved .. have you removed the bearings at all ?
#8652
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Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 4
Hi all after reading a couple hundred pages I still have a few questions on my new GO .28 6p that was brought to life yesterday on my Hyper ST PRO basher truggy!
I got the .28 for big power bashing and want to run it to it's true potential.
Setup: GO .28 6p Race/JP-3/OS p3 #8/30%/stock shimmed/no restrictor. HSN 1 hour out from flush and LSN 1 turn in. Idle 1mm open. Any comments? (was planning on running GO #6 cold plug)
After reading the 50 different break in methods on this thread I still need some direction. Without hesitation the engine fired up and idled soundly and with foil around head I so far have two tanks through it keeping it from 220f to 240f. Throttle limit is set at 50% and I've been blipping 25% throttle bursts around on the tarmac, allowed it to cool to ambient at BDC before second tank.
The guide ive been using (on p.78 originally) says do this tanks 1-6 then tanks 7-12 smoothly go to 100 throttle pulls. Anyone have anything to add?
After 12 tanks can I start to bash it normally? (understanding true power won't be unlocked until around 1.5 gallons)
Thanks for the help! And PS: When I showed it to the local hobby shop, the guy said there is something wrong with that engine when he couldn't turn it over with his hand!
I laughed and said go read the 1000 page thread!
I got the .28 for big power bashing and want to run it to it's true potential.Setup: GO .28 6p Race/JP-3/OS p3 #8/30%/stock shimmed/no restrictor. HSN 1 hour out from flush and LSN 1 turn in. Idle 1mm open. Any comments? (was planning on running GO #6 cold plug)
After reading the 50 different break in methods on this thread I still need some direction. Without hesitation the engine fired up and idled soundly and with foil around head I so far have two tanks through it keeping it from 220f to 240f. Throttle limit is set at 50% and I've been blipping 25% throttle bursts around on the tarmac, allowed it to cool to ambient at BDC before second tank.
The guide ive been using (on p.78 originally) says do this tanks 1-6 then tanks 7-12 smoothly go to 100 throttle pulls. Anyone have anything to add?
After 12 tanks can I start to bash it normally? (understanding true power won't be unlocked until around 1.5 gallons)
Thanks for the help! And PS: When I showed it to the local hobby shop, the guy said there is something wrong with that engine when he couldn't turn it over with his hand!
I laughed and said go read the 1000 page thread!
#8653
Hi all after reading a couple hundred pages I still have a few questions on my new GO .28 6p that was brought to life yesterday on my Hyper ST PRO basher truggy!
I got the .28 for big power bashing and want to run it to it's true potential.
Setup: GO .28 6p Race/JP-3/OS p3 #8/30%/stock shimmed/no restrictor. HSN 1 hour out from flush and LSN 1 turn in. Idle 1mm open. Any comments? (was planning on running GO #6 cold plug)
After reading the 50 different break in methods on this thread I still need some direction. Without hesitation the engine fired up and idled soundly and with foil around head I so far have two tanks through it keeping it from 220f to 240f. Throttle limit is set at 50% and I've been blipping 25% throttle bursts around on the tarmac, allowed it to cool to ambient at BDC before second tank.
The guide ive been using (on p.78 originally) says do this tanks 1-6 then tanks 7-12 smoothly go to 100 throttle pulls. Anyone have anything to add?
After 12 tanks can I start to bash it normally? (understanding true power won't be unlocked until around 1.5 gallons)
Thanks for the help! And PS: When I showed it to the local hobby shop, the guy said there is something wrong with that engine when he couldn't turn it over with his hand!
I laughed and said go read the 1000 page thread!
I got the .28 for big power bashing and want to run it to it's true potential.Setup: GO .28 6p Race/JP-3/OS p3 #8/30%/stock shimmed/no restrictor. HSN 1 hour out from flush and LSN 1 turn in. Idle 1mm open. Any comments? (was planning on running GO #6 cold plug)
After reading the 50 different break in methods on this thread I still need some direction. Without hesitation the engine fired up and idled soundly and with foil around head I so far have two tanks through it keeping it from 220f to 240f. Throttle limit is set at 50% and I've been blipping 25% throttle bursts around on the tarmac, allowed it to cool to ambient at BDC before second tank.
The guide ive been using (on p.78 originally) says do this tanks 1-6 then tanks 7-12 smoothly go to 100 throttle pulls. Anyone have anything to add?
After 12 tanks can I start to bash it normally? (understanding true power won't be unlocked until around 1.5 gallons)
Thanks for the help! And PS: When I showed it to the local hobby shop, the guy said there is something wrong with that engine when he couldn't turn it over with his hand!
I laughed and said go read the 1000 page thread!
#8654
Hi OG Ryder, sounds like your pretty onto it with the break in 
That method on page 78 (originally) is a very sound way to break in the GO engines. The newer Gen 5.5 and GX Series motors are a lot easier to break in. If you buy one of those at some stage in the future, use the same method, but you can start to run it harder after half a gal or so.
Definitely heat the motor like Matt suggests, even after it's broken in if you can. Makes for a longer lasting engine. Make sure you always return the engine to BDC everytime you stop it too, always.

That method on page 78 (originally) is a very sound way to break in the GO engines. The newer Gen 5.5 and GX Series motors are a lot easier to break in. If you buy one of those at some stage in the future, use the same method, but you can start to run it harder after half a gal or so.
Definitely heat the motor like Matt suggests, even after it's broken in if you can. Makes for a longer lasting engine. Make sure you always return the engine to BDC everytime you stop it too, always.
#8655
you wouldnt beleive it i have completly destroyed mu new GO-tech gx5r blew it up , put in the wrong receiver pack went flat , truggy went mental snapped the conrod and made a real mess
got a good spare carby now but
got a good spare carby now but



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