256LikesTamiya TRF419
06-20-2017 | 01:21 AM
#3436
Guys, what's your opinion on the 419x... still competitive? I've been out of TC for a few years now but have always loved TRF quality, even ran for Tamiya USA for a while. I'm seeing some good deals on kits floating around everywhere, but am worried with little development this car may not be competitive in a season or two, maybe even now... such is the case with TC, development is very rapid.
If you all think objectively as a pay-for-everything privateer for a moment and not as a Tamiya fan-boy like myself, would you pull the trigger on a kit that's been in existence for over a year now? Car will be run in Mod, against the likes of EJ Evans, Lex Tyler, Ethan Erchinger, Gonzalo Cortes, Eric Albano, Clements.... the usual fast NorCal suspects. It's silly... but part of my leaning towards the 419x is I still have a lot of old parts and gear from the 416/417/418s I ran in the past that I don't know what to do with.
I appreciate all of your guys' insights!
Martin M.
If you all think objectively as a pay-for-everything privateer for a moment and not as a Tamiya fan-boy like myself, would you pull the trigger on a kit that's been in existence for over a year now? Car will be run in Mod, against the likes of EJ Evans, Lex Tyler, Ethan Erchinger, Gonzalo Cortes, Eric Albano, Clements.... the usual fast NorCal suspects. It's silly... but part of my leaning towards the 419x is I still have a lot of old parts and gear from the 416/417/418s I ran in the past that I don't know what to do with.
I appreciate all of your guys' insights!
Martin M.
The car still shares a lot of parts from other platform and part of the design, notably the swaybar mounts, are very out dated. Theres nothing really innovative about the car that stands out from its competitors. The only thing I quite like was the included weights. But other than that the car, to me, was quite boring. I guess part of the reason for the lack of innovation was because they know they will be disbanding the TRF division.
There was a whole list of problems Ive experienced with the car which I wont go into details here, but enough to make me sell my car within 6 months and never looked back
06-20-2017 | 05:28 AM
#3437
Tech Initiate
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 40
From: Vienna
Summary after 2 years 419 and 419x
Hello,
short summary after 2 years running Tamiya.
419 - rigid, strong and fast - my sun is running it -on carpet with alu lower deck very fast.
419x very fast - a lot of steering- very consistent.
Diff issue: there is NO!!!
sand down (with 1200 paper) the big bavels to 4.50mm and the small to 4.90mm
use Molykote 55 for Tamiya BLACK O-Ring as in the manual.
since 6 month there are 4 Diffs in my box and there is no leaking....
Damper 419x: ONE blue O-rings as in manual with Molykote 55 and additional 0.3mm shim (inner diameter 4mm)
damper 419: two blue O rings with MK 55
no leaking
thats it.
No XRAY parts.
greetings harry
congrats to Florian Joos and Christian Donath
short summary after 2 years running Tamiya.
419 - rigid, strong and fast - my sun is running it -on carpet with alu lower deck very fast.
419x very fast - a lot of steering- very consistent.
Diff issue: there is NO!!!
sand down (with 1200 paper) the big bavels to 4.50mm and the small to 4.90mm
use Molykote 55 for Tamiya BLACK O-Ring as in the manual.
since 6 month there are 4 Diffs in my box and there is no leaking....
Damper 419x: ONE blue O-rings as in manual with Molykote 55 and additional 0.3mm shim (inner diameter 4mm)
damper 419: two blue O rings with MK 55
no leaking
thats it.
No XRAY parts.
greetings harry
congrats to Florian Joos and Christian Donath
Last edited by XRAY_Blade; 06-21-2017 at 08:52 AM.
06-21-2017 | 12:05 PM
#3438
Tech Master
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,458
From: santa monica / manchester
Christian Donath's set-up is here
ETS Rd5 Hudy Arena Christian Donath's Winning TRF419X set-up | The RC Racer
ETS Rd5 Hudy Arena Christian Donath's Winning TRF419X set-up | The RC Racer
06-22-2017 | 12:44 AM
#3439
Tech Initiate
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 40
From: Vienna
Christian Donath's set-up is here
ETS Rd5 Hudy Arena Christian Donath's Winning TRF419X set-up | The RC Racer
ETS Rd5 Hudy Arena Christian Donath's Winning TRF419X set-up | The RC Racer
the link to "lightweight spool mod" seems to be wrong
how does christian made the 1 pice holder "E" in front -without touching the belt?
06-22-2017 | 02:04 AM
#3440
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From: Norway (Oslo) / Germany (Hamburg)
06-22-2017 | 03:49 PM
#3443
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Posts: 1,458
From: santa monica / manchester
The .5 E block is low enough to miss the belt. A solid block makes the steering a little more responsive (stiffens that part of the chassis). Also note where the lower bulkhead screws are to make the car more twitchy.
06-23-2017 | 01:36 PM
#3444
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Posts: 40
From: Vienna
06-23-2017 | 03:45 PM
#3445
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Was also done back in time with the 416 I believe.
I will ask Christian what it is.
06-26-2017 | 08:47 AM
#3446
I have an interesting problem. I measured my toe in this morning and noticed that my right rear toe is 2.75 degrees. My left rear toe is 3 degrees. I figure there are a couple of possible reasons for this issue.
1) The holes in the chassis were drilled imperfectly
2) The suspension blocks are imperfect
3) I tweaked the body somehow?
4) The rear arms wore down?
Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how did you fix it?
1) The holes in the chassis were drilled imperfectly
2) The suspension blocks are imperfect
3) I tweaked the body somehow?
4) The rear arms wore down?
Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how did you fix it?
06-26-2017 | 01:15 PM
#3448
Tech Adept
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 127
I have an interesting problem. I measured my toe in this morning and noticed that my right rear toe is 2.75 degrees. My left rear toe is 3 degrees. I figure there are a couple of possible reasons for this issue.
1) The holes in the chassis were drilled imperfectly
2) The suspension blocks are imperfect
3) I tweaked the body somehow?
4) The rear arms wore down?
Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how did you fix it?
1) The holes in the chassis were drilled imperfectly
2) The suspension blocks are imperfect
3) I tweaked the body somehow?
4) The rear arms wore down?
Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how did you fix it?
06-26-2017 | 01:34 PM
#3449
Tech Adept
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 172
From: Hungary
Hi,
Check also ball bearing...some of them have too much play.....
+ check wheel hub installation. That might cause some tweak.
Marton
Check also ball bearing...some of them have too much play.....
+ check wheel hub installation. That might cause some tweak.
Marton
I have an interesting problem. I measured my toe in this morning and noticed that my right rear toe is 2.75 degrees. My left rear toe is 3 degrees. I figure there are a couple of possible reasons for this issue.
1) The holes in the chassis were drilled imperfectly
2) The suspension blocks are imperfect
3) I tweaked the body somehow?
4) The rear arms wore down?
Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how did you fix it?
1) The holes in the chassis were drilled imperfectly
2) The suspension blocks are imperfect
3) I tweaked the body somehow?
4) The rear arms wore down?
Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how did you fix it?
06-26-2017 | 02:24 PM
#3450
Tech Master
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,458
From: santa monica / manchester
The TB Evo 7 is coming and that is a TRF car. Tamiya have stated that more TRF cars will be coming in the future, so I doubt the 419X WS will be the last.
We might not get a new chassis every 12 months but as long as we get parts etc to keep our cars competitive then it's fine with me (and my bank account)
We might not get a new chassis every 12 months but as long as we get parts etc to keep our cars competitive then it's fine with me (and my bank account)