Palmaris engine thread
#872
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Click. It sounds like you're still too rich. It's like the glow plug is cooling off from too much fuel. Try a couple things (Edward might not agree). Try leaning the top end needle 1/2 turn (down to 4turns) and see what it does. It sounds drastic but it will give you an idea if it's too rich. Or you can try this. When the engine is running, try pinching the fuel line for 2 seconds (this will lean the mixture) then let go and hit the throttle. This will give you and idea about what to do without changing the needle settings. I often do that to see if I need to lean the bottom end more.
Have you looked at the plug to see how much or how little oil is on the plug body?
Also, check to make sure that the plug is not leaking. I had a small piece of dirt in a thread one time and the plug didn't seal right so it didn't run right.
Keep in mind that this engine tunes differently than other engines. Try not to pay too much attention to the number of needle turns. It's more important to tune to your carb. I had trouble with a brand new NovaMega carburetor once. I adjusted the needles to the same number of turns as my NovaRossi carb. But the engine just wouldn't run. I discovered that the low needle setting was too tight so it was actually closing off the spray bar and no fuel was getting into the engine. Once I unscrewed the low end needle, the engine ran fine. Once I got it tuned, the low end needle was unscrewed about a turn more than my NovaRossi carb is. Not to say that's your problem, but it just goes to show that all carbs are not equal.
Don't be afraid to try turning the needle a lot, say 1/2 turn at a time. This might help get to a better starting point. If it doesn't seem to be working, then re-set the needles to the base settings they've mentioned here. You won't hurt the engine. The worst I've done is burn out a plug from being too lean and even then the temps were not over 280F.
Have you looked at the plug to see how much or how little oil is on the plug body?
Also, check to make sure that the plug is not leaking. I had a small piece of dirt in a thread one time and the plug didn't seal right so it didn't run right.
Keep in mind that this engine tunes differently than other engines. Try not to pay too much attention to the number of needle turns. It's more important to tune to your carb. I had trouble with a brand new NovaMega carburetor once. I adjusted the needles to the same number of turns as my NovaRossi carb. But the engine just wouldn't run. I discovered that the low needle setting was too tight so it was actually closing off the spray bar and no fuel was getting into the engine. Once I unscrewed the low end needle, the engine ran fine. Once I got it tuned, the low end needle was unscrewed about a turn more than my NovaRossi carb is. Not to say that's your problem, but it just goes to show that all carbs are not equal.
Don't be afraid to try turning the needle a lot, say 1/2 turn at a time. This might help get to a better starting point. If it doesn't seem to be working, then re-set the needles to the base settings they've mentioned here. You won't hurt the engine. The worst I've done is burn out a plug from being too lean and even then the temps were not over 280F.
#875
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Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 191
Hi Guys,
I've tried all the settings I can with the carb but still no luck.
I've sealed the carb but still no luck.
I only can get #6 Novarossi plugs. I'll have to wait & see if #5's make a difference???
I still find it hard to understand how a plug can make such a big difference but as somebody said these engines are different!!
Thanks for your input.
All the best
I've tried all the settings I can with the carb but still no luck.
I've sealed the carb but still no luck.
I only can get #6 Novarossi plugs. I'll have to wait & see if #5's make a difference???
I still find it hard to understand how a plug can make such a big difference but as somebody said these engines are different!!
Thanks for your input.
All the best
#877
Originally posted by click, dublin
Hi Guys,
I've tried all the settings I can with the carb but still no luck.
I've sealed the carb but still no luck.
I only can get #6 Novarossi plugs. I'll have to wait & see if #5's make a difference???
I still find it hard to understand how a plug can make such a big difference but as somebody said these engines are different!!
Thanks for your input.
All the best
Hi Guys,
I've tried all the settings I can with the carb but still no luck.
I've sealed the carb but still no luck.
I only can get #6 Novarossi plugs. I'll have to wait & see if #5's make a difference???
I still find it hard to understand how a plug can make such a big difference but as somebody said these engines are different!!
Thanks for your input.
All the best
It is not carb, as Surge mentioned before-it is glow plug's filament cool down.
One of the main ideas in this kind of design is to have heat go out as fast as possible. In your particular case, when ambient is too low ( 11 C) it is overcooling and will not idle on regular settings. Unfortunately I personaly have no chance to try this engine in cold weather, but we run it on stand in Russia with properller at -35 C , but it was prop and it was only test for max RPM.
My starting point in your weather will be defently #5 plug. if not colder. I also will try to remove one 0.05 mm shim, it will rase temperature right away.
Edward
#878
Originally posted by SalvadoriRacing
please anybody send me the website of team palmaris.....
please anybody send me the website of team palmaris.....
I or all my friends can answer on any of your questions regarding motors or P/S sets we have.
Best regards
Edward
#881
run in a New PS12 with Ed extra work on it, first tank idling between 80c and 85c, temp stay like that for the whole tank, 2nd and 3rd rich around the track, 4th start lean it slowly and the engine have serious power already, unfortunately start showering so cant do anymore race tune. will do more testing the weekend
#882
tl2111: what's done to your ps12? can't beleive TG777 have gone to another notch with PS12. Yesterday when I ran my Ps12, decide to lean in more, settle around 240F from 180F
hell break loose, thought the power have broke my centax. clutch bell spining together with flywheel after couple laps of hot laps. Well turns out the power have somehow "break" loose the flywheel nuts
Another bug is torn O-Ring at the carb, note to self never twist carb body while applying pressure and if it's not broken dont touch it.
TG777: great work on the PS12. very smooth and powerful love it.
hell break loose, thought the power have broke my centax. clutch bell spining together with flywheel after couple laps of hot laps. Well turns out the power have somehow "break" loose the flywheel nuts
Another bug is torn O-Ring at the carb, note to self never twist carb body while applying pressure and if it's not broken dont touch it.TG777: great work on the PS12. very smooth and powerful love it.
#883
Originally posted by boner
tl2111: what's done to your ps12? can't beleive TG777 have gone to another notch with PS12. Yesterday when I ran my Ps12, decide to lean in more, settle around 240F from 180F
hell break loose, thought the power have broke my centax. clutch bell spining together with flywheel after couple laps of hot laps. Well turns out the power have somehow "break" loose the flywheel nuts
Another bug is torn O-Ring at the carb, note to self never twist carb body while applying pressure and if it's not broken dont touch it.
TG777: great work on the PS12. very smooth and powerful love it.
tl2111: what's done to your ps12? can't beleive TG777 have gone to another notch with PS12. Yesterday when I ran my Ps12, decide to lean in more, settle around 240F from 180F
hell break loose, thought the power have broke my centax. clutch bell spining together with flywheel after couple laps of hot laps. Well turns out the power have somehow "break" loose the flywheel nuts
Another bug is torn O-Ring at the carb, note to self never twist carb body while applying pressure and if it's not broken dont touch it.TG777: great work on the PS12. very smooth and powerful love it.



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