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jiml 05-21-2015 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by DirtyDanLand (Post 14017672)
Has anyone here experienced their radio freeze up on them?

I was racing last night. I was lined up for my race, 30 seconds left in the race before me. I turned on my radio, them my ESC. Checked steering, throttle and brakes, everything works. The race before me ends, we all put our cars on the track and wait for the marshalls to take their place. When the announcer tells us to take out practice laps everyone takes off except for me. I hit the throttle and got nothing. So i take off the lid, battery is connected and ESC is turned on but no lights, transponder is flashing. I flipped the ESC power switch and few times, disconnected and reconnected the battery a few times and still no change. So I went to power down the car and the radio and noticed the radio wouldn't turn off. I had to disconnect the battery in the radio to shut down the radio. When I reconnected the radio battery and turned on the radio everything was normal again.

I use a LiFe battery in my radio and it still had a voltage of 6.6V.

Has anyone experienced anything similar?

I haven't had that happen, and considering that everything computer controlled needs a reboot now and then, but one thing did happen to me. turned on the radio, turned on the car, put it down, hit the gas, and nothing happened. After a brief WTF moment, I realized I didn't change the model on the radio. Interesting because on my 3PK if I did that the car would go but the settings wouldn't be correct.

Castradamus 05-21-2015 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by jiml (Post 14019085)
I haven't had that happen, and considering that everything computer controlled needs a reboot now and then, but one thing did happen to me. turned on the radio, turned on the car, put it down, hit the gas, and nothing happened. After a brief WTF moment, I realized I didn't change the model on the radio. Interesting because on my 3PK if I did that the car would go but the settings wouldn't be correct.

I seem to remember reading that the 4PX can maintain the association between the model selected and the RX. So if it is talking to the wrong receiver
you car will not respond to the input. Which is a good fail safe but can be annoying if you are unaware.

B16A2 05-21-2015 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Castradamus (Post 14019105)
I seem to remember reading that the 4PX can maintain the association between the model selected and the RX. So if it is talking to the wrong receiver
you car will not respond to the input. Which is a good fail safe but can be annoying if you are unaware.

I think only the T-FHSS receivers isolate, the S-FHSS receivers will work between models sharing the S-FHSS receiver types.

bizarrefish 05-22-2015 08:22 AM

Anyone know the dimensions of the 4PX?

Its not actually stated anywhere, I know its an awkward shape but looking for its widest, longest and deepest points. Due to its shape, the only way to measure would be to drawer around it from above and measure the subsequent piece of paper.

After a case but not a flash over priced aluminium one. I know I have seen a few use pelicans with cut outs but I think there are smaller cases that fit a bit more neatly.

Thanks

cutting42 05-22-2015 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by bizarrefish (Post 14020847)
Anyone know the dimensions of the 4PX?

Its not actually stated anywhere, I know its an awkward shape but looking for its widest, longest and deepest points. Due to its shape, the only way to measure would be to drawer around it from above and measure the subsequent piece of paper.

After a case but not a flash over priced aluminium one. I know I have seen a few use pelicans with cut outs but I think there are smaller cases that fit a bit more neatly.

Thanks

Just measured mine with drop down fitted, these are absolute measurements. do not get a case that size of you will have no room for padding.

9" x 7" x 5.5"

or

230mm x 180mm x 140mm

eR1c 05-22-2015 12:19 PM

I've got a few questions,

First a quick background,
I've always loved Futaba's products. I have been using (don't laugh) a Futaba 2pl ...been using it for about 7 or 8 years. I use it for all my cars + trucks, for bashing and racing (I race w/ a club). It has served me well and still works great. I actually have no complaints with it at all.

I have been thinking about upgrading to a new controller, it will have to work with FHSS (as all my receivers are FHSS and I do not care to spend a fortune buying 10 new receivers). Here is my question, are the newer Futaba controllers better in terms of performance? I get that they have extra features, and an easier interface to navigate ..but will they make my car driving performance increase. I feel like my car responds well now, but does an improved controller make a car respond better? I ask because I am trying to figure out if a new controller is worth the cost?

Looking at new controllers that run on the FHSS system there are two I see as contenders:

futaba 4pls -sells for about $200 w/ coupon codes, etc
futaba 4px -sell for about $500 w/ coupon codes, etc

So, the 4pls seems like a much better deal than the 4px ...is the extra $300 worth the price? Curious if even spending $200 for the 4pls is worth the price if my current controller works well.

...having only used 1 or 2 controllers in the past 10 years its difficult to access any differences in controller performance.

Shawn_S 05-22-2015 01:53 PM

What receivers are you using with the 2PL? The R603GF and R2004GF are FHSS, and not S-FHSS, thus only compatible with the 4PLS and not the 4PX.

http://www.futaba-rc.com/receivers/f...ss-compat.html

For your speed question, if you use a T-FHSS receiver with the 4PX, you will notice a difference. A FHSS receiver with the 4PLS, maybe not.

As for cost, I always answer it like just; at some point you reach the laws of diminishing returns. To approve upon already good designs, takes exponentially more effort/better materials, etc. Most $200+ radios have mostly the same features, so other things matter. For me personally, the "feel" of the radio is probably the most important thing. That's why for someone looking for a mid-level radio, I typically recommend the MT4 over the 4PL, because I like the feel of the MT4 more. But there's no radio out right now that "feels" as good in hand as the 4PX.

HulkNT1 05-22-2015 02:36 PM

I have a problem with my Orion ESC and motor. The Motor is running backwards instead of forward. I calibrated and I have it on my XB4 4WD I try to reverse the channel 2 on my radio but it still running reverse. The manual of the Orion ESC does not help. I am using a senor wire and solder the cable A B C but still running the wrong way. Can anyone help me..

THanks

bizarrefish 05-22-2015 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by HulkNT1 (Post 14021299)
I have a problem with my Orion ESC and motor. The Motor is running backwards instead of forward. I calibrated and I have it on my XB4 4WD I try to reverse the channel 2 on my radio but it still running reverse. The manual of the Orion ESC does not help. I am using a senor wire and solder the cable A B C but still running the wrong way. Can anyone help me..

THanks

Hi Hulk, I use an Orion ESC with a 4PX, I had to reverse channel 2 and it worked fine. I wonder if your setting is working correctly? Try reversing the steering to see if it has the desired effect there too.

Orion ESC does not have any ability to reverse its control unfortunately so the only way to do it is through wiring or transmitter I believe.

ATXPro4 05-22-2015 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by HulkNT1 (Post 14021299)
I have a problem with my Orion ESC and motor. The Motor is running backwards instead of forward. I calibrated and I have it on my XB4 4WD I try to reverse the channel 2 on my radio but it still running reverse. The manual of the Orion ESC does not help. I am using a senor wire and solder the cable A B C but still running the wrong way. Can anyone help me..

THanks

It has nothing to do with your radio or esc.
Take the front diff and flip it over. Same with the rear. Your problem will be solved.

auto2 05-23-2015 05:48 PM

can you set up a dual rate on the throttle channel with a momentary switch to change rates? i know how to do it on steering channel.cant do it on throttle. i want like 60 percent on the infield and then hold down the chrome button on the handle for 100 percent for the straight.

eR1c 05-24-2015 10:50 AM


What receivers are you using with the 2PL? The R603GF and R2004GF are FHSS, and not S-FHSS, thus only compatible with the 4PLS and not the 4PX.

http://www.futaba-rc.com/receivers/f...ss-compat.html

For your speed question, if you use a T-FHSS receiver with the 4PX, you will notice a difference. A FHSS receiver with the 4PLS, maybe not.

As for cost, I always answer it like just; at some point you reach the laws of diminishing returns. To approve upon already good designs, takes exponentially more effort/better materials, etc. Most $200+ radios have mostly the same features, so other things matter. For me personally, the "feel" of the radio is probably the most important thing. That's why for someone looking for a mid-level radio, I typically recommend the MT4 over the 4PL, because I like the feel of the MT4 more. But there's no radio out right now that "feels" as good in hand as the 4PX.
Thank you, I did not realize that the 4px will not run the FHSS receivers ...and only the FHSS-S receivers.

I am running all FHSS receivers (7 vehicles). So going to the 4px would cost me about $1,000 or more to get everything upgraded. That really isn't in my budget at the moment. ...good to know, thanks!

190mph 05-24-2015 11:18 AM

OK question more for nitro racing. I got a Lipo 2S receiver pack for 1/8 buggy and I will not need any kind of voltage regulator correct? I don't exactly see a lot of voltage regulator devices on stores websites like maybe 6 to 8 years ago.

Receivers are listed as 4.8 to 7.4V battery (3.5 to 8.4V useable range)


Does the servos see the voltages up to 8.4V or does the receivers limit voltages to servos? Most servos list 4.8V and 6.0V specs on speed and torque.

ATXPro4 05-24-2015 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by eR1c (Post 14023319)
Thank you, I did not realize that the 4px will not run the FHSS receivers ...and only the FHSS-S receivers.

I am running all FHSS receivers (7 vehicles). So going to the 4px would cost me about $1,000 or more to get everything upgraded. That really isn't in my budget at the moment. ...good to know, thanks!

I didn't realize it either. That said any on this list will work.
This is directly from futababs website

"Compatible with these T-FHSS, S-FHSS and FASST receivers: R304SB, R304SB-E, R614FS, R614FF-E, R2104GF, R204GF-E, R203GF and others as they are developed."

eR1c 05-24-2015 09:26 PM

..interesting, I actually have 2 "R203GF" receivers and the 4 "R603GF" receivers ..so i believe that RCMart has a combo package for about $550 that comes w/ 2 of the compatible receivers. ...arggh, trying to determine if its worth the money!


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