Futaba 4PX
#2225
2017 Updated data from Futaba Tech (Steve) just this morning:
A) Futaba Fasst Rx has lower Latency than S-Fhss Rx (he said my estimate of .03ms was "about accurate")
B) Fasst Rx's have nearly twice the Resolution of the S-Fhss Rx's
C) Fasst Rx's potentially drop fewer data packets.
D) Fasst Rx cost 2-3 times more (614E = $100 vs 204E = $40)
A) Futaba Fasst Rx has lower Latency than S-Fhss Rx (he said my estimate of .03ms was "about accurate")
B) Fasst Rx's have nearly twice the Resolution of the S-Fhss Rx's
C) Fasst Rx's potentially drop fewer data packets.
D) Fasst Rx cost 2-3 times more (614E = $100 vs 204E = $40)
Last edited by darnold; 06-19-2017 at 02:35 PM.
#2226
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 10,368
From: Riverside, CA
2017 Updated data from Futaba Tech (Steve) just this morning:
A) Futaba Fasst Rx has lower Latency than S-Fhss Rx (he said my estimate of .003ms was "about accurate")
B) Fasst Rx's have nearly twice the Resolution of the S-Fhss Rx's
C) Fasst Rx's potentially drop fewer data packets.
D) Fasst Rx cost 2-3 times more (614E = $100 vs 204E = $40)
A) Futaba Fasst Rx has lower Latency than S-Fhss Rx (he said my estimate of .003ms was "about accurate")
B) Fasst Rx's have nearly twice the Resolution of the S-Fhss Rx's
C) Fasst Rx's potentially drop fewer data packets.
D) Fasst Rx cost 2-3 times more (614E = $100 vs 204E = $40)
#2227
More importantly they have virtually twice the resolution.
Using a Fasst rx probably gets the 4PX around the M12 to possibly inbetween it and the M12S for latency. The resolution with a Fasst rx should be as good as the M12/M12s from the conversation.
It seems that the Sanwa systems have been using the Fasst type hybrid protocol (I believe it's a Dsm + Fhss type) for some time, even though Futaba appears to have been first to market with it. Sanwa seems to call it Fhss 3 and 4 instead of Fasst (probably due to Futaba patents/copyright). The differences between the two companies would be in the programming of their systems using the hybrid protocol. I told the Futaba tech that I didn't understand why Futaba was letting others dictate the terms of how their product was being characterized when they could have just released the info. The tech said that he would present this up the chain.
Note: I meant .3ms not
.003ms for the potential difference in latency between the Fasst and S-Fhss rx's. It should also be noted that the Futaba tech didn't have the exact differential figure, but he knew for certain that the Fasst rx is faster than the S-Fhss and thought my estimation sounded fair. Lol.
For me the virtual doubling of resolution (about 98% more roughly) is even more important than the decreased latency. That increased resolution, along with better error correction should really improve feel.
Last edited by darnold; 06-19-2017 at 03:08 PM.
#2229
It should work fine I believe. My 614E worked with no problem.
Therefore, assuming power is being given to the rx,
, then I would check the following:
1) Fasst rx setting is selected under "Receiver" within the Tx menu and leave your Tx on at this menu.
2) When you turn on the Rx it should start flashing green.
3) When/If you get a message on your Tx asking you about resetting any failsafe say "Yes/Accept".
Your Rx should bind and the LED should turn solid green.
What is yours doing?
Therefore, assuming power is being given to the rx,
, then I would check the following:1) Fasst rx setting is selected under "Receiver" within the Tx menu and leave your Tx on at this menu.
2) When you turn on the Rx it should start flashing green.
3) When/If you get a message on your Tx asking you about resetting any failsafe say "Yes/Accept".
Your Rx should bind and the LED should turn solid green.
What is yours doing?
#2230
2017 Updated data from Futaba Tech (Steve) just this morning:
A) Futaba Fasst Rx has lower Latency than S-Fhss Rx (he said my estimate of .03ms was "about accurate")
B) Fasst Rx's have nearly twice the Resolution of the S-Fhss Rx's
C) Fasst Rx's potentially drop fewer data packets.
D) Fasst Rx cost 2-3 times more (614E = $100 vs 204E = $40)
A) Futaba Fasst Rx has lower Latency than S-Fhss Rx (he said my estimate of .03ms was "about accurate")
B) Fasst Rx's have nearly twice the Resolution of the S-Fhss Rx's
C) Fasst Rx's potentially drop fewer data packets.
D) Fasst Rx cost 2-3 times more (614E = $100 vs 204E = $40)
#2231
T-Fhss is just Fhss with telemetry from everything I've been able to find. Information that I've come across indicates that there is an increase in latency with the telemetry turned on (you can turn it off in the Tx). The Fasst protocol is simply faster than the Fhss based protocol, whether it is S-Fhss, T-Fhss, or basic Fhss. Of the stock Fhss protocols from Futaba the S-Fhss is fastest.
This is of course for Futaba receivers; Sanwa receivers have a hybrid technology that is basically like the Fasst but they still call it Fhss (3&4).
I'm sure that a Futaba rep can chime in on all of this as well.
This is of course for Futaba receivers; Sanwa receivers have a hybrid technology that is basically like the Fasst but they still call it Fhss (3&4).
I'm sure that a Futaba rep can chime in on all of this as well.
#2232
It should work fine I believe. My 614E worked with no problem.
Therefore, assuming power is being given to the rx,
, then I would check the following:
1) Fasst rx setting is selected under "Receiver" within the Tx menu and leave your Tx on at this menu.
2) When you turn on the Rx it should start flashing green.
3) When/If you get a message on your Tx asking you about resetting any failsafe say "Yes/Accept".
Your Rx should bind and the LED should turn solid green.
What is yours doing?
Therefore, assuming power is being given to the rx,
, then I would check the following:1) Fasst rx setting is selected under "Receiver" within the Tx menu and leave your Tx on at this menu.
2) When you turn on the Rx it should start flashing green.
3) When/If you get a message on your Tx asking you about resetting any failsafe say "Yes/Accept".
Your Rx should bind and the LED should turn solid green.
What is yours doing?
#2233
If you purchase a Futaba in Australia beware that you will get no support from anyone in the U.S. or Australia.
I would not recommend Futaba after my recent experiences trying to get help. The wholesales dealer in W.A.apparently expects that all buyers to investigate the dealers to ascertain the origin of the products' importation.
They won't assist at all.
U.S. were slightly better but won't answer the support line & if you're from overseas , again, it's not their problem.
Sanwa next time for me I think.
I would not recommend Futaba after my recent experiences trying to get help. The wholesales dealer in W.A.apparently expects that all buyers to investigate the dealers to ascertain the origin of the products' importation.
They won't assist at all.
U.S. were slightly better but won't answer the support line & if you're from overseas , again, it's not their problem.
Sanwa next time for me I think.



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