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InspGadgt 01-22-2007 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by RCGaryK
What ESC are you using out of curiosity?

In my 1/12th which I am currently having the problem is a LRP QC2...originally the problem started happening with a Novak Atom in my F201.

InspGadgt 01-22-2007 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by RCGaryK
It's not necessairally a Low Voltage issue. It could simply be a loss of signal for some reason which would have caused the receiver to go into fail-safe mode. I'd say send your receiver and module in just to have them checked out. Now with the QC2, I've always had to run a power cap on the ESC, since the BEC output is lower on that speedo. However, I run both the HB and KO versions of the VFS-1 without any issue. Make sure you set the voltage in ESC to 4.0v thru either the handheld programmer or the PC interface.

Once I replaced my worn out batteries in 6 cell I had no problem with the QC2...and 4 cell indoor I had no problem with it as well with the new reciever.

RCGaryK 01-22-2007 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by RCBuddha
Gary,

So LRP is the only manuf. that seems to have a BEC issue with the spektrum system?

I don't mind running a seperate battery for the receiver (weight is not an issue, but size is), but can anyone point me to those small receiver packs that I've seen on 1/12th cars?

Well, if you run the big power cap on the QC2 it's not really an issue if you run an SR3500. I've had some issues with the Tekin Mini Rage brushless system. When I ran it with an SR3000 Standard Receiver, I needed to run the Voltage protector to prevent cutting out on power. Once I switched to the SR3500 everything was fine. I've had very good luck with the HB Hara Twister 2/KO Propo VFS-1 and the Novak GTB/GTX.

RCGaryK 01-22-2007 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by InspGadgt
In my 1/12th which I am currently having the problem is a LRP QC2...originally the problem started happening with a Novak Atom in my F201.

Try a power cap on it, plus the voltage protector.

RCBuddha 01-22-2007 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by RCGaryK
Well, if you run the big power cap on the QC2 it's not really an issue if you run an SR3500. I've had some issues with the Tekin Mini Rage brushless system. When I ran it with an SR3000 Standard Receiver, I needed to run the Voltage protector to prevent cutting out on power. Once I switched to the SR3500 everything was fine. I've had very good luck with the HB Hara Twister 2/KO Propo VFS-1 and the Novak GTB/GTX.

Ok, since I have the SR3001, where can I get that receiver voltage booster?

Any issues with Keyence ESC's?

InspGadgt 01-22-2007 06:24 PM

Well the whole reason to run the QC2 was so I wouldn't have to run a big power capacitor on the ESC...running one on the RX isn't any different in my book. So either way it sounds like we gotta run a big ugly cap somewhere. Well I think in 1/12th I've solved the problem by essentially using the battery (since it's only 4 cells) as both the main power source and the RX pack bypassing the BEC. Even if the voltage peaks a bit higher it will be fine since the Spektrum can operate at higher voltages...then the only real concern is the servo.

RCGaryK 01-22-2007 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by RCBuddha
Ok, since I have the SR3001, where can I get that receiver voltage booster?

Any issues with Keyence ESC's?

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=SPM1600

There's the voltage protector.

I haven't heard of any Keyence issues, but I am pretty sure that is what Adrian runs, or at least has run in the past.

RCGaryK 01-22-2007 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by InspGadgt
Well the whole reason to run the QC2 was so I wouldn't have to run a big power capacitor on the ESC...running one on the RX isn't any different in my book. So either way it sounds like we gotta run a big ugly cap somewhere. Well I think in 1/12th I've solved the problem by essentially using the battery (since it's only 4 cells) as both the main power source and the RX pack bypassing the BEC. Even if the voltage peaks a bit higher it will be fine since the Spektrum can operate at higher voltages...then the only real concern is the servo.

Honestly, I can't really think of one high-end ESC that you really don't need the power cap for or that it isn't reccomended. One of the reasons why ESC's have continued to shrink is that larger capacitors are being removed from inside the casings to outside the cases. Like I say, I run the KO/HB ESC's and run dual caps on those, and I also run the GTX too which has a single power cap. I guess I don't see the issue. Even if I wasn't running Spektrum equipment, I would still run a power cap because I like what it does to the feeling of the throttle.

You're fine with running a bit higher voltage. The Receiver will regulate the voltage sent to the servos.

InspGadgt 01-22-2007 07:11 PM

The LRP doesn't need a power cap, though you can run one, and it is as small or smaller then anything else out there (smaller if you include the size of the cap in the footprint). Personally I don't like them because it's just one more component to mount that can fall off, snag on something, or cause a short. Setups look much cleaner without them. In the case of the QC2 I haven't felt a need to run one...it feels just as smooth without it and performs just as well for my application as any other high end ESC, except for the power problem with the Spektrum.

2-Bad 01-22-2007 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by RCGaryK
Honestly, I can't really think of one high-end ESC that you really don't need the power cap for or that it isn't reccomended.

Keyence doesn't need a cap..... :sneaky:

http://hobby.keyence.co.jp/english/speed/index.html

RCBuddha 01-22-2007 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by 2-Bad
Keyence doesn't need a cap..... :sneaky:

So I should have no problems then using a Rapida? No need for the voltage protector? :confused:

RCGaryK 01-22-2007 07:32 PM

I have seen guys run caps on Keyence ESC's. I've even seen guys add power caps to older Tekin G12cIII's that were running 27mhz equipment. Again, it's to smooth things out and to provide more punch. A side benefit of running the power cap is it does help prevent the BEC output from dropping too low in high current drain situations, like when you accelerate. I've been running multiple power caps on ESC's since I first started running the GM V12WXC like 4 years ago, then with the VFS2000, onto the VFS1, QC2, GTX, and GTB. It's not that you have to run a power cap if you run Spektrum. It's a feel thing and I personally prefer running power caps on my equipment because I like the throttle delivery and acceleration with them versus without. Think of it as just another tuning aid.

RCGaryK 01-22-2007 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by RCBuddha
So I should have no problems then using a Rapida? No need for the voltage protector? :confused:

I'd say try it without first. It's not that you must run the voltage protector in every application. I think on the Keyence, you can adjust the BEC output voltage, just as you can on the KO VFS-1. I haven't run one personally, but I would check in the Keyence thread to see if someone knows for sure

2-Bad 01-22-2007 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by RCBuddha
So I should have no problems then using a Rapida? No need for the voltage protector? :confused:

"AdrainM" is very knowledgeable on the Keyence's, so he could give you a definitive answer. He's from Schumacher USA so you can usually find him on the thread "Schumacher Corner"
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...37#post2960037

or go to the thread "Keyence ESC"
http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...65#post2960465

or go to the Schumacher USA website and email him directly;
http://www.racing-cars.com/usa/main.asp


Regards,
Peter :D

PoLsKiE 01-22-2007 11:19 PM

ok im getting a airtronics m8 backlit version and im gonna put spektrum pro in it any problems i should know about or what to do or any tips please let me know


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