Originally Posted by Bob Barry

First Impressions suck, and I feel ya because it only takes 1 bad unit to make the other 9,999 look bad, but the VTX line is no joke.

If you get another opportunity to try one, you should do so with no reservations. I have yet to find someone who has driven a Viper ESC and said 'oh, I don't like that at all'.

Originally Posted by Wildcat1971

you cant really base much on a sensorless setup. Racing = sensored and bashing = sensorles. At least in my mine. The copperhead was designed as a cost saver. Which is usually bashers. I dont work for Viper and cant say for sure that I am 100% correct. But no one really makes and markets a sensorless setup for racing. They say you can race with it. Does not mean its the best for racing. I think once you run sensored, running sensorless is a very hard thing to do. If they ever get sensorless to the performance of sensored, I am totally in. I had a motors sensor board go out and it killed me esc. I was like wtf. But people told me yeah, that happens often enough, but its normal. Of your sensor cable goes bad mid race and your car stops in the middle of the track. That blows also. HW and maybe tekin over come this with dual mode. HW for sure. I unplugged my sensor after powering it up. and it kept running, but started cogging. It dropped seemed to automatically drop its self to sensorless. I think the tekin might only work in the mode you set it for. So if you set sensored, it wont work if the cable fails. There is no perfect esc and everyone has failures. it is how they handles the failures that maters. So far viper offers me 90% of what I want with a great warranty and support. Tekin only offers me about 60% of what I want, but they also have good support, but 1/2 the warranty. Tekins are ok, but you will never convince me that counting led's and blinking lights is better than a progauge that also acts a servo and lipo checker. The fact you didnt like a sensorless system does not surprise me, but I would not have written off the entire company or product line.

Originally Posted by spider882009

Putting together a Schumacher K1 right now. Plan on running it on a slightly larger outdoor track and a small indoor carpet track. Switching back an forth this much what Viper motor would you guys suggest? Running it with a VTX10-BE

Originally Posted by Wildcat1971

you cant really base much on a sensorless setup. Racing = sensored and bashing = sensorles. At least in my mine. The copperhead was designed as a cost saver. Which is usually bashers. I dont work for Viper and cant say for sure that I am 100% correct. But no one really makes and markets a sensorless setup for racing. They say you can race with it. Does not mean its the best for racing. I think once you run sensored, running sensorless is a very hard thing to do. If they ever get sensorless to the performance of sensored, I am totally in. I had a motors sensor board go out and it killed me esc. I was like wtf. But people told me yeah, that happens often enough, but its normal. Of your sensor cable goes bad mid race and your car stops in the middle of the track. That blows also. HW and maybe tekin over come this with dual mode. HW for sure. I unplugged my sensor after powering it up. and it kept running, but started cogging. It dropped seemed to automatically drop its self to sensorless. I think the tekin might only work in the mode you set it for. So if you set sensored, it wont work if the cable fails. There is no perfect esc and everyone has failures. it is how they handles the failures that maters. So far viper offers me 90% of what I want with a great warranty and support. Tekin only offers me about 60% of what I want, but they also have good support, but 1/2 the warranty. Tekins are ok, but you will never convince me that counting led's and blinking lights is better than a progauge that also acts a servo and lipo checker. The fact you didnt like a sensorless system does not surprise me, but I would not have written off the entire company or product line.

Originally Posted by Wildcat1971

the exception might be the sensorless setups. It is pretty common for drivers who driver sensored to hate sensorless after the fact. I have never owned a copper head, but feel free to throw one at me to test and review, lol. If someone local owned one, I would ask to drive their car. One guy has a vtx10r with the viper 4.5 550 in a scte. I would like to drive that. I might ask this weekend.

Originally Posted by godofcable

im part of the group that runs a sensorless in a race application. I'm running the copperhead esc with the 4500kv 4 pole in my slash 4x4, and its been pretty good.

Originally Posted by mdmaxx

i need some help programming my vtx10r resc. It's in the blinky mode and runs fine. Only problem is I want to race mode class. I hooked it up to the programming card and i get a connection error every time. The little end plugs into the switch only 1 way, the end that pugs into the cards only lights up 1 way also. every time i get a connection error. I hooked it up to my lap top and it doesn't read the esc. Any idea's what i'm doing wrong? thanks

Originally Posted by mdmaxx

i need some help programming my vtx10r resc. It's in the blinky mode and runs fine. Only problem is I want to race mode class. I hooked it up to the programming card and i get a connection error every time. The little end plugs into the switch only 1 way, the end that pugs into the cards only lights up 1 way also. every time i get a connection error. I hooked it up to my lap top and it doesn't read the esc. Any idea's what i'm doing wrong? thanks

Originally Posted by Wildcat1971

Are you racing club or large events? I was mainly pointing that at sponsored factory drivers. No the club folks. We have 3-4 traxxas that race with castles, velium and other sensorless 4 poles. They prefer sensored, but prefer the lower cost more, lol. When Cavilari and Maifield run sensorless, then I know the world is ending.

Originally Posted by godofcable

i run both club and large events. I'm not on a maifield level either.

I'll say this...the sensorless feel on my Copperhead is a lot closer to sensored than a lot of other ESC's i've tried, Velineon included.

Originally Posted by Wildcat1971

yeah, I have heard many people that. When I was looking into SC 4x4, I was looking at that system because of that. Plus I only do club racing, a $300 system would do me no good. If I ever see one at the track, I will ask to test drive it. But unless it completely bad, how can you go wrong for $99 lol. Even I could stand a little cogging for that price.

Originally Posted by godofcable

i'll try to take a video this weekend of my truck. the trick is getting the radio in frame so you can see the trigger...sensor/sensorless is a feel thing. tough to show on a video...but i'll try

Originally Posted by Jim Hustins

I will be at the Barn tonight, not on Sunday. Let me know if u r coming and I will bring my laptop.

Originally Posted by taztal3

i boguht a viper vtx8 with progauge on 1/30/2013 and i havent install my vtx8
on my e-truggy yet it so should i send my viper vtx8 esc back to them for update ?and i have invoice paper with me let me know thanks