Motor Testing and Comparisons
#241
#242
I’ll be in the market for a new rpm based motor. Any recommendations? I saw the pheonix motors have some very specific smooth rpm based motors but I dont want to buy a motor only to have to throw out the rotor and replace it. If they sold stators, I would consider “building” it myself.
I’m moving away from pin tired and noticing the smoother the power delivery, the better in my case.
I’m moving away from pin tired and noticing the smoother the power delivery, the better in my case.
The Fantom Helix V1 had the highest RPM reading, that I have tested. It was about 26,000 RPMs. However, The RPMs tanked when I put a load on it. The gauss was about 1720. Next highest RPMs was the HW G4R. It spun at about 25,000. However, the RPM's also tanked under a load. That was weird because the gauss was around 1765. However, the windings looked a little loose.
#243
Many have forgotten that Tekin is also rpm based and it took a certain gearing to make it come alive. Go search for Jason Snyders video of him running 13.5 4wd and him hitting the sweet spot and was the only one that could clear a certain triple the entire race where others had fade. The Fantom V1 fell short of torque but the V2 corrected this. When shopping for a motor check into that company and see if their motors are rpm or torque based. Get was you need for your application of racing and go have fun. I know how it feels to be under powered motor wise :-( I would rather run a brushed motor than the motor I chose to run a while back….lol
#245
#246
I just started testing some 4 pole motors. I thought people always said zero timing for them. First I tested hw 1900kv. Lowest timing is 12 and high is 28. (Set at 12)So they never even let you get down that low. Second revtech 2000kv. Goes from negative 6 to plus 6. (Set at plus 6 )Third is rush 2150. Can go from neg 30 to plus 30. ( I also Set at plus 6) what's the latest on timing them. I did a search and found about nothing. Thanks.
#249
There are plenty of gauss meters to find and also easy to make with an analogue HALL sensor. And then you probably need a constant current to power a coil.
But I think if you want to do it right you need to use some pwm signal to map a whole curve.
But I think if you want to do it right you need to use some pwm signal to map a whole curve.
#250
To make it simpler, I would like one that I can connect too my stator to and test it that way. Maybe it's time for the Wizard at WMH racing to build one. Andrew, are you listening?
#251
Lower IR in the stator coils will energize the stator faster and allow more current in rush this will create a stronger magnetic field. We already have the tools to measure IR, and it is going to be a much more reliable measurement technique. Something like the VICI 480c+ is on the cheaper side, especially from Ali and while its accuracy is not perfect it is repeatable. One of the big factors for measuring IR however is the temperature of the stator. Copper temp coefficient is awful, for a 17.5 or 21.5 for every change in 1 degree °C equals about a 0.1mΩ change in resistance.
#252
Lower IR in the stator coils will energize the stator faster and allow more current in rush this will create a stronger magnetic field. We already have the tools to measure IR, and it is going to be a much more reliable measurement technique. Something like the VICI 480c+ is on the cheaper side, especially from Ali and while its accuracy is not perfect it is repeatable. One of the big factors for measuring IR however is the temperature of the stator. Copper temp coefficient is awful, for a 17.5 or 21.5 for every change in 1 degree °C equals about a 0.1mΩ change in resistance.
#253
Generally, a lower frequency means a higher inductance, higher inductance without increasing IR generally leads to more torque.
Fantom also has a product that can measure IR and inductance. I have never used it, but I know it is out there.
#254
Lower IR in the stator coils will energize the stator faster and allow more current in rush this will create a stronger magnetic field. We already have the tools to measure IR, and it is going to be a much more reliable measurement technique. Something like the VICI 480c+ is on the cheaper side, especially from Ali and while its accuracy is not perfect it is repeatable. One of the big factors for measuring IR however is the temperature of the stator. Copper temp coefficient is awful, for a 17.5 or 21.5 for every change in 1 degree °C equals about a 0.1mΩ change in resistance.
Please make something, Trillerian. I'm willing to use Roelof's money to pay however much you want for one.
#255
I do not think an IR meter does give a right indication about the generated magnetism. Yes, the PWM frequency determines the induction resistance and with that the drawn current. And the amount of current does determine the strength of the magnetic field. But again, the shape and used metals of the stator will have an effect on the magnetic field as well.



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