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Old 10-22-2015 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Socket
I think it's a pretty simple though. Supply/Demand/competition. Supply has undoubted been steady and heavy. Demand, personally, seems to be less - I see more and more "other" branded motors at the track. Competition has exploded - once Nova was only through Odonnel, and he charged whatever he wanted.

Novarossi direct and absolute look like they're buying from italy direct, and Odonnel looks like he's allied with Amain.

So the former dropped their prices to make them the go-to places for novarossi.

This is ALL made up speculation, if you want facts, ask Chad Phillips or call Novarossi in Italy.
this is what happens when a manufacturer doesn't adhere to its own distribution agreements and starts selling directly to the largest hobby stores directly undercutting their own distributors in their own respective markets... The results are a distributor who was forced to start selling directly creating the price war we see today...short term gain for long term pain...
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Old 10-22-2015 | 05:37 AM
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I am running Byrons 30/11.
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Old 10-22-2015 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Chad Phillips
going smaller on the insert doesnt always mean more runtime. Drake runs a 7.5mm restrictor in his MBX7R. Everything makes a difference with runtime... Fuel, glow plug, pipe, header, and most importantly... vehicle. You take the same motor and install it in a losi vs Mugen. Guarantee the Losi has way more runtime.
I personally had tried it, if just practice, u may get 9 to 11 minutes easily. But race condition, 8-9minutes was what i got. Use 7mm venturi for better top end
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Old 10-22-2015 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GrandeGixxer
I am running Byrons 30/11.
try fuel with less oil. It will have more power and more run time. if you have to stick with Byrons get the worlds blend. If you're open to anything switch to Powermaster Pro 30%?
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Old 10-22-2015 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo
this is what happens when a manufacturer doesn't adhere to its own distribution agreements and starts selling directly to the largest hobby stores directly undercutting their own distributors in their own respective markets... The results are a distributor who was forced to start selling directly creating the price war we see today...short term gain for long term pain...
And in the end, the customers win. Can't have that, can we?

We could touch on that little "thing" called Capitalism we have here in the land of freedom. If someone broke a contract, then that is for the courts to follow, not us.

I will continue to enjoy the world of $200 mitos...Of course this happens right AFTER I sell all my nova stuff and go all OS.
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Old 10-22-2015 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Socket
And in the end, the customers win. Can't have that, can we?

We could touch on that little "thing" called Capitalism we have here in the land of freedom. If someone broke a contract, then that is for the courts to follow, not us.

I will continue to enjoy the world of $200 mitos...Of course this happens right AFTER I sell all my nova stuff and go all OS.



First thing is I don't have any skin in this game !

Second thing is I am all for the customer winning !

A question was asked and I answered it...that is all !
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Old 10-22-2015 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by GrandeGixxer
I am running a race this weekend that is doing 8 minute qualifiers, I am trying to figure out the best course of action to make 8 minutes. The best I have been able to do is around 7, maybe 7:15.
Here is my setup:
MBX-7R
Keep-Off 21-4
9901ss with 41021
I had the 6mm restrictor in the carb, I have now swapped to the 5.4 but haven't run/tuned it yet. The motor has about a gallon and a half through it since new.

Doing a search in this thread, there are some old posts with guys getting 10-15 minute run times, I am nowhere near that.

If I do stick with the 5.4 restrictor, what should my tuning strategy be to start? Just lean the crap out of it?

Thanks in advance.
So I Will weigh in here even though my advice is going to completely buck the trend of what others are recommending

currently you have your engine quite choked back with both pipe and insert, reducing the engines overall operating efficiency and dramatically educing its potential power both by insert size and pipe/header choice... From that engines full power capacity you are down roughly 35% which in turn results in you using more fuel not less fuel

My crazy sounding advice is to ditch the 41021 manifold, swap to a 41001 and run a 8 mm carb insert ! Even better swap over to a 9886 tuned pipe, the 9901 is a 3 chamber that restricts flow and forces the engine to work harder to breath, the 9886 is a 2 chamber and operates more efficiently... The end result of this is your engine is going to make a whole pile more power and operate much more efficiently , you will clear jumps easier, you will be able to run the track using far less trigger input and most likely end up with better mileage... IMO small carb inserts are not the answer, they end up just choking back the engines power too much and hurting overall operating efficiency more then anything else...

A small carb insert however can be beneficial in some cases on a smaller low speed track where you want to increase throttle low RPM throttle response and will not notice the loss of power and RPM...But on a big track the small insert is going to work against you !
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Old 10-22-2015 | 08:22 AM
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I don't have a whole lot of different options as far as pipe, I have 2 9901's. I do have a 41029 header that I could use if that would work better? It is a decent sized track, I would guess its probably 140'x100'. I just bought a gallon of fuel, but I could probably take it back and swap it for 11% since I haven't opened it yet.

What is my best course of action with these combos? My other option is to put my back up motor in, but I will also need setup info for it also.

Murnan P5 that has about 3 gallons through it.

Thanks.
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Old 10-22-2015 | 04:01 PM
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So what's the best Novarossi/Rex engine available now as far as runtime goes? Nova or Rex just what motor have people seen best mileage with. I personally have seen really good with the Revenge motor and heard the Legend 4 is good also. I know pipes, restrictors, driving style all that stuff plays a huge part but if you lined them all up with identical settings which would get the most runtime you think? Any info helps.

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Old 10-23-2015 | 02:24 AM
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Maximo, thank you for your input!
Did you already try this new manifold 41032?
It looks similar to 41001, plus "conical".
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Old 10-23-2015 | 03:40 AM
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Conical 41032 is shorter than the 41001, more top end with less low end and more fuel consuming.
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Old 10-23-2015 | 04:53 AM
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Try other pipe, 9901 definitely will kill the rpm range, go efra 2072
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Old 10-25-2015 | 07:05 AM
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I was able to accomplish the 8 minute qualifiers with the Keep-Off 21-4. My runs were around 8:00-8:30 plus the half lap to get to the loop to start and I made it back to the pits each time. So I was getting around 9:00 of runtime. The motor ran good, I was able to get a pretty decent tune on it. Made it through the full 30 minute main, pitting every 7:30 and no flameouts.

What is the procedure for checking bearings, and how long do they usually last? This engine now has probably close to 3 gallons through it. I was sorely disappointed in this engine the first couple of gallons and for 6 or so races, but it impressed me yesterday. Maybe I won't make the switch to OS after all.
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Old 10-25-2015 | 12:35 PM
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Anyone running Morgan Sidewinder brand fuels in the Novarossi?

I have always run the Pro 30% with 10% oil and have about a little over 1/3 gallon left before winter that I want to run first few tanks breakin for the Top Elite 8 before winter hits.

I don't see many of the racers run this around here in Ontario although 2 Hobby stores in GTA that are big really stock the Sidewinder well and I have always run it before from 2001 to 2006.
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Old 10-25-2015 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GrandeGixxer
I was able to accomplish the 8 minute qualifiers with the Keep-Off 21-4. My runs were around 8:00-8:30 plus the half lap to get to the loop to start and I made it back to the pits each time. So I was getting around 9:00 of runtime. The motor ran good, I was able to get a pretty decent tune on it. Made it through the full 30 minute main, pitting every 7:30 and no flameouts.

What is the procedure for checking bearings, and how long do they usually last? This engine now has probably close to 3 gallons through it. I was sorely disappointed in this engine the first couple of gallons and for 6 or so races, but it impressed me yesterday. Maybe I won't make the switch to OS after all.
Novarossi are good engines, most ppl cant get it to tune right n complain that it dont make enough power or having flameout issue. For longevity never a doubt. I personally start running Novarossi since the price become affordable lately
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