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petersen114 07-14-2019 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by srt4johnny (Post 15475575)


What were your problems with that carb just keeping a tune? I just got the motor today and checked needle settings they were 4 1/4 on HS, 3 3/4 on LS, 1 3/4 on the middle. The manual says factory settings are 3 1/2 on HS, 5 on the LS and 1.5 on the middle. You think you should break it in with these or Richen it up a bit ? Did an unboxing one handed pretty shaky . Thanks for your help guys.

https://youtu.be/R0LrT0mg5So

Also what clutch you guys think I should go with looking at https://www.amainhobbies.com/team-lo...RoCk0gQAvD_BwE

Or https://www.amainhobbies.com/team-lo...lr9102/p211985

5 out is way too much on the bottom! I had to go 3 out. I had a conversation with Novarossi on this.

petersen114 07-14-2019 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by srt4johnny (Post 15477385)
Still waiting to hear back from Novarossi sent them an email haven’t heard back not sure which needle settings I should use for initial startup. Manual and what actual settings are much different

Sent you a pm.

Roelof 07-14-2019 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by petersen114 (Post 15479579)

Sent you a pm.

I just wonder what you just send....
As you may know this is a forum where questions, answers and discussions are done in the open so everyone can enjoy the reading and step in.
If it was something personal or something commercial you do not want to show us, just do not make such posts so we (for sure I) do not get curious to know what you just have send. And to be honest, the receiver will know you did send him a PM by a notification on top of the page and if the settings are right, by email.....

srt4johnny 07-14-2019 04:54 AM

Thanks ya I never heard anything from Nova but after getting to about 12 tanks I started taking the low speed in a little from was supper rich on the bottom end

srt4johnny 07-19-2019 08:46 AM

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Front bearing seal let go after one run on the track motor has just over a gallon of 30/10 bones. Wondering if any internal damage was a sandy track should be pulled apart and replaced I’m guessing?

Juice1 07-19-2019 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by srt4johnny (Post 15482360)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...f4c6d7992.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...df32d2a8a.jpeg
Front bearing seal let go after one run on the track motor has just over a gallon of 30/10 bones. Wondering if any internal damage was a sandy track should be pulled apart and replaced I’m guessing?

That double seal bearing is the best one out there, I highly doubt the second seal let contaminants in. Just for peice of mind, I would take it apart and do a thorough inspection and clean. If everything looks good just replace the front bearing.

As far as the front bearing failure... I'm pretty sure your flywheel is rubbing against it after trimming your collet. I suggest using a new (unmodified) collet and use an extend (stepped) front washer to get the proper clutch bell shimmimg.

srt4johnny 07-19-2019 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Juice1 (Post 15482483)
That double seal bearing is the best one out there, I highly doubt the second seal let contaminants in. Just for peice of mind, I would take it apart and do a thorough inspection and clean. If everything looks good just replace the front bearing.

As far as the front bearing failure... I'm pretty sure your flywheel is rubbing against it after trimming your collet. I suggest using a new (unmodified) collet and use an extend (stepped) front washer to get the proper clutch bell shimmimg.

Juice thanks that’s what I was thinking new collet and check everything out make sure looks good. Any links to these stepped front washer the Losi one i used wasn’t stepped deep enough to avoid binding hence this whole filing and shortening the losi collet.

Juice1 07-20-2019 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by srt4johnny (Post 15482514)


Juice thanks that’s what I was thinking new collet and check everything out make sure looks good. Any links to these stepped front washer the Losi one i used wasn’t stepped deep enough to avoid binding hence this whole filing and shortening the losi collet.

There are also shims you could buy. Just search on Amain for some 3x5x0.5 shims and use as many as you need before installing the Losi washer. They also come in different thicknesses.

petersen114 07-21-2019 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 15479582)
I just wonder what you just send....
As you may know this is a forum where questions, answers and discussions are done in the open so everyone can enjoy the reading and step in.
If it was something personal or something commercial you do not want to show us, just do not make such posts so we (for sure I) do not get curious to know what you just have send. And to be honest, the receiver will know you did send him a PM by a notification on top of the page and if the settings are right, by email.....

He is referring to a conversation that I had with Novarossi on Facebook about the bottom end needle on the Rolling.

DXPinoyRC 07-23-2019 04:37 AM

Sound
 

Originally Posted by J.Whiting (Post 15470757)
track dependent and weather but generally 9-10:30 on the rolling
the p5 was still rich and a tick pinch yet but a solid 10 mins so far.. changed the header to a shorter one to try and get a tick more top end.. if the rain holds out I will know sat night on how it pulls.

sounds good. Keep us updated if u can!

J.Whiting 07-23-2019 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by DXPinoyRC (Post 15484030)
sounds good. Keep us updated if u can!

p5 is in good race tune. shorter header did the trick. good low end and yet got my top end out of it. 930-10 min motor in the truggy and does just fine. jeremy

DXPinoyRC 07-23-2019 05:01 AM

.25 Roma Engine inside a buggy
 
Has anyone tried the .25 Roma Engine in a buggy? I'm curious of the runtime, venturi, temperature, pipe, and if the power is controllable. I understand this is a great truggy engine.

cheers! Novarossi for life!

srt4johnny 07-23-2019 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by J.Whiting (Post 15484032)
p5 is in good race tune. shorter header did the trick. good low end and yet got my top end out of it. 930-10 min motor in the truggy and does just fine. jeremy


how about the rolling how has that engine been for you?

Cain 07-24-2019 07:42 AM

Any tips on where to look to correct a flameout that happens say 10 minutes into a race?

We are thinking the glowplug may need to be replaced. Vehicle had at least half a tank of fuel, fired up quickly and temps were about 250 on a Paloma Limited .21

Been working well in general, just had that happen and probably cost me 3rd place . Hoping to get them next time :)

bash bros 07-24-2019 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Cain (Post 15484608)
Any tips on where to look to correct a flameout that happens say 10 minutes into a race?

We are thinking the glowplug may need to be replaced. Vehicle had at least half a tank of fuel, fired up quickly and temps were about 250 on a Paloma Limited .21

Been working well in general, just had that happen and probably cost me 3rd place . Hoping to get them next time :)

Ever try swapping to a c5tgc instead?

I've had certain Novas, like the Elite 5 and Elite 8 that just seem to run better on a c5tgc instead of a c6tgc for whatever reason. Seems to improve the idle and minimize the flameouts.

Cain 07-25-2019 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by bash bros (Post 15484906)
Ever try swapping to a c5tgc instead?

I've had certain Novas, like the Elite 5 and Elite 8 that just seem to run better on a c5tgc instead of a c6tgc for whatever reason. Seems to improve the idle and minimize the flameouts.

total noob here with nitro so can give that a look. Right now I have a whole bunch of oddonnell plugs that came brand new sealed that I have heard can work well too.

J.Whiting 07-25-2019 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by srt4johnny (Post 15484328)



how about the rolling how has that engine been for you?

the rolling engines have been great but just tried the p5 in the truggy for a bit on shorter tracks. .. on longer tracks I will use the rolling

Chad Millikan 07-25-2019 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Cain (Post 15485133)
total noob here with nitro so can give that a look. Right now I have a whole bunch of oddonnell plugs that came brand new sealed that I have heard can work well too.

I was always told it's not good to go back and forth between brand of plugs. The pitch or bevel whatever you wanna call it is slightly different from brand to brand.

bash bros 07-25-2019 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Chad Millikan (Post 15485277)
I was always told it's not good to go back and forth between brand of plugs. The pitch or bevel whatever you wanna call it is slightly different from brand to brand.

I've never had any problems going back and forth between nova and o'donnell plugs, those are the only two types I use.

Try experimenting with plugs, between the 77t, 97t, c5tgc, or c6tgc I usually find one that hits the sweet spot.

am 07-26-2019 01:20 AM

Many moons ago we had some trouble with ghost flameouts. Put on a 0,1mm shim on the underhead and your problem is gone :-)

mustangkillaz 07-29-2019 11:01 PM

New on road .21
 
Looking at another wc35 and mephisto. Anyone have actual experience with both? Looking to hear what differences if any were noted.

Thanks

roblupo 07-31-2019 03:27 AM

The mephesto is a good engine but its not going to knock your socks off with power. Its a four port engine with a small crank compared to say a Mito 4. For that reason it is smoother on the bottom and on looser tracks it will be a good choice. The stock pipe suggested for it helps the engine get up to speed and with the DLC coated crank gives it high revs for longer straights with goo gas mileage. Only issue is its softer on the bottom but with some testing and some diff headers for diff conditions it can be good. I ran it with a 41031 header and the 2135 pipe but does not have that great of gas mileage. Also don't be afraid to run it with a 7-7.5 venturi to open it up.

For the price I like the Mito line of engines and the Rolling. Far better choices with power without having to have a lot of extras to make it go fast out the box.

NitroVein 07-31-2019 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by mustangkillaz (Post 15487195)
Looking at another wc35 and mephisto. Anyone have actual experience with both? Looking to hear what differences if any were noted.

Thanks

This is the offroad section, might get better answers in the onroad section.

Originally Posted by roblupo (Post 15487763)
The mephesto is a good engine but its not going to knock your socks off with power. Its a four port engine with a small crank compared to say a Mito 4. For that reason it is smoother on the bottom and on looser tracks it will be a good choice. The stock pipe suggested for it helps the engine get up to speed and with the DLC coated crank gives it high revs for longer straights with goo gas mileage. Only issue is its softer on the bottom but with some testing and some diff headers for diff conditions it can be good. I ran it with a 41031 header and the 2135 pipe but does not have that great of gas mileage. Also don't be afraid to run it with a 7-7.5 venturi to open it up.

For the price I like the Mito line of engines and the Rolling. Far better choices with power without having to have a lot of extras to make it go fast out the box.

DLC doesn't do anything for top speed, performance differences comes from other things.

Roelof 07-31-2019 09:48 AM

DLC is used for 2 reasons:

1) surface hardening
2) low friction surface to deal with the issue where lubrication stops working.

Lubrication is an issue with high rpm engines like the onroad engines. Lubrication has a speed limint to where it works. Going beyond lts say 45.000rpm with onroad engines there is a short moment of a bad lubrication, the low friction DLC surface will take care. All depends the qualuity of the used oil.....

Basically only the crankpin is most needed to have the DLC, that the whole crankshaft is done is just the process.

NitroVein 07-31-2019 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 15487876)
DLC is used for 2 reasons:

1) surface hardening
2) low friction surface to deal with the issue where lubrication stops working.

Lubrication is an issue with high rpm engines like the onroad engines. Lubrication has a speed limint to where it works. Going beyond lts say 45.000rpm with onroad engines there is a short moment of a bad lubrication, the low friction DLC surface will take care. All depends the qualuity of the used oil.....

Basically only the crankpin is most needed to have the DLC, that the whole crankshaft is done is just the process.

There is other ways to reduce the friction as well, some is used before they apply the DLC or it would turn in to a file. :lol:
But the hardness and low coefficient of friction does help if the oil or additives isn't there. I guess one reason why it has become more popular is all the full synthetic fuels for racing.
Piston pin can also benefit from it, but I don't think there is any engines anymore that run that.

Mr. Nice Guy 08-03-2019 09:07 AM

Paloma @$169 vs Bonito @ $189

Hello, I am looking for a new engine for my Inferno GT2, and I am wondering if there is a huge difference between the two motors.

The specs read the same for both, and I am curious why the $20 difference between the two... what makes the Bonito superior?

am 08-04-2019 02:00 AM


Originally Posted by roblupo (Post 15487763)
The mephesto is a good engine but its not going to knock your socks off with power. Its a four port engine with a small crank compared to say a Mito 4. For that reason it is smoother on the bottom and on looser tracks it will be a good choice. The stock pipe suggested for it helps the engine get up to speed and with the DLC coated crank gives it high revs for longer straights with goo gas mileage. Only issue is its softer on the bottom but with some testing and some diff headers for diff conditions it can be good. I ran it with a 41031 header and the 2135 pipe but does not have that great of gas mileage. Also don't be afraid to run it with a 7-7.5 venturi to open it up.

For the price I like the Mito line of engines and the Rolling. Far better choices with power without having to have a lot of extras to make it go fast out the box.


Try rhe angeld 41001 or 41005 headers. Gives you more power. The 180 curved ones smoothend out engies to much.

srt4johnny 08-10-2019 12:53 PM

What header would you guys recommend for the Nova Rolling 7 port in a truggy with the 9901? Shorter tight track running Losi 4 shoes dynamite aluminum with 2 gold 2 green springs. Thanks

RCHammerr 08-10-2019 07:23 PM

I have two Nova Engines .21, One needs to be repinched and has a new piston shaft the other is for parts, if anyone is interested ?.

NitroVein 08-11-2019 01:10 AM


Originally Posted by am (Post 15489493)
Try rhe angeld 41001 or 41005 headers. Gives you more power. The 180 curved ones smoothend out engies to much.

^^

Originally Posted by srt4johnny (Post 15492642)
What header would you guys recommend for the Nova Rolling 7 port in a truggy with the 9901? Shorter tight track running Losi 4 shoes dynamite aluminum with 2 gold 2 green springs. Thanks


srt4johnny 08-11-2019 02:44 AM


Originally Posted by NitroVein (Post 15492815)
^^

What about 41032 or 41033 vs the 41001?

NitroVein 08-11-2019 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by srt4johnny (Post 15492827)


What about 41032 or 41033 vs the 41001?

They will all work, but if you're going to run a truggy on a short track I would go for one of the "square" instead of curved, and a longer will give you more bottom end.
Manifoldsi for 3,5/4,66cc Off-Road Engines - NOVA | Novarossi World - NOVAROSSI WORLD

RCTecher12 08-11-2019 09:42 AM

The square 41032 will give the most top end of any of those manifolds - it’s the shortest and conical. If you care about fuel mileage, you’ll probably want to opt for a cylindrical header of moderate length. These manifolds make less power, which in turn consumes less fuel.

As has been mentioned by Neal and others in the past - the manifold has more influence on an engine’s behavior than the pipe ever will.

I wish I could get ahold of a shorter conical manifold than the 41032 for my 8T 3.0 with mod P5XLT engine. It could use more top end. I’m in the process of managing the clutch and adjusting differential oil viscosities in the meantime.

Roelof 08-11-2019 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by SlowLST2 (Post 15492928)
As has been mentioned by Neal and others in the past - the manifold has more influence on an engine’s behavior than the pipe ever will.

You think?
I see the manifold more as a fine tune on the exhaust.

RCTecher12 08-11-2019 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 15492999)
You think?
I see the manifold more as a fine tune on the exhaust.

A fine tune? LOL. The manifold is the heart of the engine only next to the port size, shape, and timing. Hardly part of the “fine tuning”. That’s what the pipe really is because most 1/8 pipes are very near the same size and volume. Internal shapes and lengths can alter the wave timing, but the biggest factor is the overall length of the system.

srt4johnny 08-11-2019 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by NitroVein (Post 15492861)
They will all work, but if you're going to run a truggy on a short track I would go for one of the "square" instead of curved, and a longer will give you more bottom end.
Manifoldsi for 3,5/4,66cc Off-Road Engines - NOVA | Novarossi World - NOVAROSSI WORLD


Thanks for the link looking at all the diff models the Way they market is confusing so which ones are square? Conical , Cylindrical, Square?????

NitroVein 08-11-2019 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by srt4johnny (Post 15493032)



Thanks for the link looking at all the diff models the Way they market is confusing so which ones are square? Conical , Cylindrical, Square?????

Well the square is the ones that has sharp corners, like 41001, 41005, 41019, 41032.
Conical means that the inside diameter is different from one end to the other, same size at the engine as the regular, but larger at the pipe. Like 41031, 41032.

HaulinBass 08-12-2019 06:25 AM

finally got to run my H.E.S full monty mantra yesterday, runs like my old murnan btt motor with a bit more bottom to mid(probably due to it being larger displacement than most .21s). two tanks in I was running 8 mins a tank with some fuel left. I did run it for a couple laps in edmonton the previous weekend but didnt loctite the engine mounts and ate the clutchbell up in warmup so it never really warmed up fully.

Cardiak 08-13-2019 10:55 AM

People loctite engine mounts?

petersen114 08-13-2019 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Cardiak (Post 15493928)
People loctite engine mounts?

No. I use 3mm lock washers and just snug them down. Great Planes has the best ones imho.


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