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Kevin_M 03-24-2015 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by Amain21 (Post 13922086)
Hey guys what plugs can you use with 21-4 keep off?

OS p4's?

Can you not get the Nova 6 plugs? I use them for both my engines. I dont want someone to use a different plug and get the head button cross threaded if the plug goes bad.

InARush 03-24-2015 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by kgombe (Post 13923180)
no clue man.. i just provided his FB page for you... lol

the break in Bible is what i use...

Lol Kopy that

Amain21 03-25-2015 02:38 AM


Originally Posted by Eivind E (Post 13923125)
You can, if you're really, really super careful about tightening the plug..
I used to run them all the time because I felt like the engine ran better with them. But if you're in a hurry, or for example your pit guy discovering a dud plug just before a heat starts, you risk the dreaded gorillatighten deformation..
The taper has the same angle and everything, it's just the tapered area is smaller on the OS plug, so it's pushing on a smaller area of the head button. Hence if you slightly overtighten it, you deform the head button.

So.. if you are 100% sure you will always be super super careful with tightening it.. sure.. but if you think maybe one day you'll be in a hurry or your pit guy will replace a plug.. better run a Nova plug. Hence.. I'll just be running the Nova plugs from now on, even if they cost more and need more frequent replacement.

Thanks for the advice

Amain21 03-25-2015 02:40 AM


Originally Posted by Kevin_M (Post 13923380)
Can you not get the Nova 6 plugs? I use them for both my engines. I dont want someone to use a different plug and get the head button cross threaded if the plug goes bad.

My local shop dosent carry novarossi stuff I'll order some

cczjordan 03-25-2015 03:01 AM

For rex paloma, any1 tested it with go 2072/2103 pipe? Rb2097 pipe/short manifold. I had this pipe, maybe can save me some $$

Amain21 03-25-2015 03:02 AM

Ok one more question which 6 should I get the c or f

rossman 03-25-2015 08:57 AM

Hi everyone I'm looking to get a new engine for my truggy and I've been looking at the p5 Clio with a 9901 pipe an from what I've heard it's just like the old p5 but I thought I'd ask if the Clio was ok in a truggy.

Cheers

Ross

Artlosi 03-25-2015 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by rossman (Post 13924811)
Hi everyone I'm looking to get a new engine for my truggy and I've been looking at the p5 Clio with a 9901 pipe an from what I've heard it's just like the old p5 but I thought I'd ask if the Clio was ok in a truggy.

Cheers

Ross

the Clio would be a excellent engine to run in a truggy but would be better with the 2096 pipe than the 9901
Imo ..

LIVipers 03-25-2015 09:28 PM

Hey Monty,

I got a Nova keep Off 4-port which was pre-run from the factory. I've run a little less than a quart through it so far (at 200-215*F) to help seat everything further. The engine has about 5 tanks on it so far. How much more fuel do you think it needs before i can put a slightly rich race tune on it?

Thanks
Tom

houston 03-25-2015 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by LIVipers (Post 13926014)
Hey Monty,

I got a Nova keep Off 4-port which was pre-run from the factory. I've run a little less than a quart through it so far (at 200-215*F) to help seat everything further. The engine has about 5 tanks on it so far. How much more fuel do you think it needs before i can put a slightly rich race tune on it?

Thanks
Tom

Novarossi factory pre run?

Idle 1 tank or 10 min of fuel with the fuel you will be using , after that tune about 75% performance for a few (3-4) tanks on the track then race tune . Ive seen people (pro drivers who are friends) do too much break in after nova pre run and lost compression almost instantly ,ooops , ive explained to them this method and why ,now they are going through wayyy less engines

rossman 03-26-2015 12:33 AM


Originally Posted by Artlosi (Post 13925999)
the Clio would be a excellent engine to run in a truggy but would be better with the 2096 pipe than the 9901
Imo ..

I though the 2096 was more for top end so I thought it'd be the 9901 for low to mid range torque ?

Cheers

LIVipers 03-26-2015 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 13926075)
Novarossi factory pre run?

Idle 1 tank or 10 min of fuel with the fuel you will be using , after that tune about 75% performance for a few (3-4) tanks on the track then race tune . Ive seen people (pro drivers who are friends) do too much break in after nova pre run and lost compression almost instantly ,ooops , ive explained to them this method and why ,now they are going through wayyy less engines

So then I'm assuming Nova pre-run are decently run from the factory, and not just idled through a few tanks. Thats good to know. Thanks a bunch for the heads up.

Artlosi 03-26-2015 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by rossman (Post 13926124)
I though the 2096 was more for top end so I thought it'd be the 9901 for low to mid range torque ?

Cheers

from my experience the 9901 calm down the p5 and it ran a lot smother I installed the 2096 and it felt like it had more torque at bottom end and mid.i know u said u have the Clio and it's not much different from the p5 .imo it's just like the maxy cinco .

rossman 03-26-2015 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Artlosi (Post 13926910)
from my experience the 9901 calm down the p5 and it ran a lot smother I installed the 2096 and it felt like it had more torque at bottom end and mid.i know u said u have the Clio and it's not much different from the p5 .imo it's just like the maxy cinco .

Ok well I have a 2096 in my buggy at the minute so I might buy the Clio and try the 2096 on it,thanks for the help

cczjordan 03-27-2015 01:30 AM


Originally Posted by sn47som1 (Post 13923093)
Hey guys just to put this one to bed, for me at least lol, i mixed things about what to start tuning for with Novarossis. Some start with the LSN some start with the HSN to start tuning. Which is it? And do I start tuning at half a tank of fuel?

Both will do but i prefer starting with lsn, make sure u who which way to go, torqe or mid-top rpm. get engine to operating temp:

1. Get a proper idle gap, then either richen/leaning lsn to get it sound good
2. Put on track n make wot run, tune for hsn
3. Finalize with lsn as the hsn with effect a bit on lsn

cczjordan 03-27-2015 02:50 AM


Originally Posted by sn47som1 (Post 13923093)
Hey guys just to put this one to bed, for me at least lol, i mixed things about what to start tuning for with Novarossis. Some start with the LSN some start with the HSN to start tuning. Which is it? And do I start tuning at half a tank of fuel?

Usually 2 types of carb, long/short lsn but i think ur model come with long lsn.

Anyway either ways work but i prefer start with lsn, with hsn always rich. (hope u know is lack top end or bottom end). Make sure idle is close .5/.6/.7mm (can find tune later on). Get it up to temp, to race tune it something like:
1. Lean lsn till u hear it high rev n richen it OR adjust d idle screw to have normal idle
2. Do some WOT run n start leaning hsn for performance.
3. Final adjustment might be lsn/idle if necessary

Better ask someone at track to help u out, words are harder to digest, some practical n testingwill be best

Hope it helps

Guillermito 03-29-2015 08:05 PM

Hello, I am looking for an manifold having an angle between 41021 and 41029 ...have any Novarossi? 41031 or 41033 they can be?

Thanks. Best Regards.

mallee RC 03-31-2015 05:18 AM

Novarossi engine
 

Originally Posted by sn47som1 (Post 13920821)
Looks NICE! Cant go wrong with a Top. But I would try a mod Clio first.

Yeh it does look excellent, just arrived today, will be busy over Easter im sure, breaking it in. I already have a Clio's modded from Neil, they are a awesome engine, the new Elite has the Team piston, he believes it will have Awesome bottom end power, I also have a RB Blast from Neil as well, This thing is unreal, it Screams down the straight, has So much bottom end for large out of corner jumps, makes driving my truggy effortless!! Certainly modded engines out perform stock any day, fuel consumption is still the same, if not a bit better, or maybe More consistent is a better way to say it. Is just like his engines, consistent. Break it, tune it, warm it up every start, leave the needles alone, and just race it, you might go a hr each way depending on how hot the weather is, my RB ran last event on a 40degree day, ran at 100 degrees ALL day, last club meeting was a 22 degree day, moved needle in 1 hr, ran all day 100 degrees. So consistent. that's what ya pay for in my opinion. Well worth the money!:nod:

rage1945 03-31-2015 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by mallee RC (Post 13935206)
Yeh it does look excellent, just arrived today, will be busy over Easter im sure, breaking it in. I already have a Clio's modded from Neil, they are a awesome engine, the new Elite has the Team piston, he believes it will have Awesome bottom end power, I also have a RB Blast from Neil as well, This thing is unreal, it Screams down the straight, has So much bottom end for large out of corner jumps, makes driving my truggy effortless!! Certainly modded engines out perform stock any day, fuel consumption is still the same, if not a bit better, or maybe More consistent is a better way to say it. Is just like his engines, consistent. Break it, tune it, warm it up every start, leave the needles alone, and just race it, you might go a hr each way depending on how hot the weather is, my RB ran last event on a 40degree day, ran at 100 degrees ALL day, last club meeting was a 22 degree day, moved needle in 1 hr, ran all day 100 degrees. So consistent. that's what ya pay for in my opinion. Well worth the money!:nod:

I'd have to agree with you 100%!! Neil's work was the best! I got a modded P5xlt from him and it's been a beast! Ive run it off and on for three years now and its still a sreamer! Ive done nothing to it, other than fresh filters and keeping it clean! We call it the engine that never quits and tried to see if we could kill it at a huge 5th scale track....but it just kept going! Pre-heat everytime and don't "needle jockey it", as Neil would say, and you'll have a land rocket that never stops! Best motor Ive ever had!

Eivind E 03-31-2015 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by rage1945 (Post 13935564)
three years

How much do you run every year.. I get like 2-3 months out of an engine.

Integra 03-31-2015 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Eivind E (Post 13935870)
How much do you run every year.. I get like 2-3 months out of an engine.




typo maybe ? :confused:

SupermaxxRich 03-31-2015 03:36 PM

I ran my engines all last season. Maybe 8 races and they just finally both finished breaking in the last race I attended in January! That's roughly 3 gallons on each engine and these were factory broken in engines as well. Better look at your maintenance and tuning program if your only getting 2-3months!

SupermaxxRich 03-31-2015 03:38 PM

Just got my new Mito 4 and 7 today and will start cycling them into my race program. Will save my current engines for roar nats in June :)

mallee RC 04-01-2015 01:38 AM

Engine life
 

Originally Posted by Eivind E (Post 13935870)
How much do you run every year.. I get like 2-3 months out of an engine.

Geeezzz, if your only getting that amount of time for a engine, Yes you would need to Read the Break in Bible, and follow the guidelines for tuning your engines. If your not getting 40-50ltrs on ANY engine, there's a big problem!
Have run Nitro for a long time, last years Nova,s I still have, both would have over 40ltrs on them, and still have excellent compression, I would even race a 2or3 day event on them, however 2015 has arrived, and so does New engines, they are my backup engines.
If you have any issues with correct break in, feel free to ask hear, there's lots of guys on hear with good knowledge, and would help you out. Once you understand how they work, they are So easy to tune for great performance, and will last you at least a seasons racing, at least!! Owe, and you only get what you pay for in the Nitro world, cheap engines, are rubbish, buy a good branded engine, and they will last !
Good luck mate

cczjordan 04-01-2015 01:47 AM

I think minimum can get 3-4 gallon with taiwan engine, running rich will last more

Eivind E 04-01-2015 03:22 AM


Originally Posted by mallee RC (Post 13937039)
Geeezzz, if your only getting that amount of time for a engine, Yes you would need to Read the Break in Bible, and follow the guidelines for tuning your engines...

...make an engine last more than 2-3 months if there's a race every single weekend, plus practice..?

At racetune I don't think most people are getting 50 litres out of an engine, imho I'm happy if I get 25~30 litres out of an engine before the compression goes.
You can't run them blubberingly rich and still make all the jumps and pit at the same number of minutes as everyone else. You'd be not making the big jumps, and pitting at 6 minute intervals.

SupermaxxRich 04-01-2015 06:58 AM

At a minimum you should get between 8-10 gallons from a well taken care of engine.

cczjordan 04-01-2015 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by SupermaxxRich (Post 13937295)
At a minimum you should get between 8-10 gallons from a well taken care of engine.

8-10gallon i think too many, my vote only 5 gallon. With slightly rich tune

zachattak 04-01-2015 05:28 PM

IMO ive got my bonito and btt which are clubby engines, theyve both had 3 big events on them, plus we race every second friday, and every tuesday night is practice. That being said ive attended 60-70% of the racemeets locally.
The btt is a little down, but the bonito still has a butt load of pinch in it.
My virtus and keep off's all have under 10L, can still rest them at top-dead and they will hang there with no leaking.

All my engines are tuned so i dont have to lean on them to produce the power i want, lucky if i surpass 75% throttle on most tracks, still hitting fastest lap paces wherever i go.

Just my opinion, anyways have fun and enjoy!

InARush 04-01-2015 06:59 PM

I purchased 9886 pipe and 41021 manifold for a p5xlt. Is this a good combo for this engine?

Artlosi 04-01-2015 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by InARush (Post 13938447)
I purchased 9886 pipe and 41021 manifold for a p5xlt. Is this a good combo for this engine?

Yes it is it'll be a perfect combo for low and top end that's what I run and I'm able to clear most of of our track with that tunepipe..

cczjordan 04-01-2015 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by InARush (Post 13938447)
I purchased 9886 pipe and 41021 manifold for a p5xlt. Is this a good combo for this engine?

Magic pipe i would say

jeromerc 04-02-2015 02:30 AM


Originally Posted by cczjordan (Post 13938208)
8-10gallon i think too many, my vote only 5 gallon. With slightly rich tune

I think more in line with 4 to 5 gallons and you feel safe, 5 to 6 gallons you might start getting ghost flameouts. Of course I am also in Vietnam with crap fuel and lots of heat. My Nova based Fusions are doing well, still high run time 9 to 10 minutes at 6 gallons and reliable. We also are running 1 hour mains, last time I used my 6 plus gallon X3LFM (mod) engine I got 9:40 run times with enough for one more lap but then bone dry and in the one hour main I had one flame out at the 45 minute mark, might have been fuel or something else but my last pit stop I pushed past 10 minutes and it quit going to pit lane after my final lap I was at 10:02 when she cut.

cczjordan 04-02-2015 08:44 PM

Will 2096/41021 combo with toro nero/bonito/paloma produce good rev range n fuel economy for buggy? Had 9886 n 9901 now, just plan to buy that pipe

rossman 04-03-2015 02:32 PM

Hi guys just got my new clio p5 with 9901 mounted in my truggy but I was wondering what size Venturi to run, I was told either the red or orange one for this engine in a truggy.

Cheers

Ross

kgombe 04-03-2015 02:33 PM

Orange = 7... run that

rossman 04-03-2015 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by kgombe (Post 13941615)
Orange = 7... run that

Ok great.

Cheers mate

cczjordan 04-04-2015 04:23 AM


Originally Posted by cczjordan (Post 13940487)
Will 2096/41021 combo with toro nero/bonito/paloma produce good rev range n fuel economy for buggy? Had 9886 n 9901 now, just plan to buy that pipe

Any advise?

Jamie James 04-05-2015 11:19 AM

Hi Guys.

I'm off to a big race on Thursday and have a quick question.

I'm 90% done the break in of my RB motor. I've been using Nova C6TGC plugs. Still on the first one. I will be picking up a few spare plugs and was going to get the same ones.

I was going through my hobby room and found a bunch of Nova C6Tc plugs.

What is the difference? Will these work just as well?

Thanks

egobrkr 04-06-2015 04:52 AM

Can someone explain what blended ports looks like and what it does?


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