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Werks 08-26-2010 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by VWVR6_T (Post 7861296)
You need an assistant brother!! It's a good time to grow/expand, Werks :sneaky: products are hot. :nod:

Lol, unfortunately I'm a bit of a perfectionist so I kind fall into that "if you want it done right you have to do it your self" category of believers. This business and the stuff I make is kind of like my child and we all know how protective people can be about their children!

This year has been critical for us because in essence even though we have been on the market for 9 years, the economy and market conditions in general have forced us to almost re-invent the company and our focus. It's a little strange to say this but before (5 or 6 years ago) business was easy, I would say almost a "if you make it they will come" type of market. Now the industry (or I should say the market segment that we are active in) is much more crowded, much more competitive, and the consumer is much more knowledgeable. You can no longer just make ok products and expect them to sell, you have to make segment leading, innovative products and frankly this is not an easy thing to do!

So far this year I think that we have been very fortunate with the products that we have released be it chalked up to luck, pure coincidence or possibly sheer genius (lol, I wish!). Either way though this has given us I believe a solid foundation from which to build and expand both our product line as well as our market penetration and that is not something that I want to let slip through my fingers.

With my background in the hi tech industry in the 90's I've seen all too many market leading companies get comfortable, loose focus and ultimately fall by the wayside and that is not a lesson that I wish to repeat lol. This is one of the reasons that I'm on here so much, it's frankly to stay in touch with you guys, my customers. It's this interaction that points me in the right direction on which type of products to develop, what people like, what they don't like and what I need to focus on. Ultimately what a lot of business owners forget is that there is no company without customers and ultimately the most important thing for a business (in my opinion) is being in sync with your customers and understanding what exactly they want and/or need. So....again I can not thank all of you enough for the support and for choosing to use our product because without all of you there would be no Werks Racing. Now I just need to figure out how I can work more than 12-16 hours a day so that I can find some time to design t-shirts and stickers to make everyone happy ;-)

Regards,

Ron

BSchorr 08-26-2010 11:38 PM

Nice read there Ron. I am sold on a product where the owner (you) is in contact with the people. I just wish more Pro drivers would get on RCTech and communicate as well... After all, people buy chassis's based on their favorite drivers and/or the chassis that is winning most the races.

I will be making the move to run Werks Motors/Pipes/clutches in the next week! Cant wait. Pics/Vids will follow on my youtube channel too.

VWVR6_T 08-26-2010 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by Werks (Post 7861522)
Lol, unfortunately I'm a bit of a perfectionist so I kind fall into that "if you want it done right you have to do it your self" category of believers. This business and the stuff I make is kind of like my child and we all know how protective people can be about their children!

This year has been critical for us because in essence even though we have been on the market for 9 years, the economy and market conditions in general have forced us to almost re-invent the company and our focus. It's a little strange to say this but before (5 or 6 years ago) business was easy, I would say almost a "if you make it they will come" type of market. Now the industry (or I should say the market segment that we are active in) is much more crowded, much more competitive, and the consumer is much more knowledgeable. You can no longer just make ok products and expect them to sell, you have to make segment leading, innovative products and frankly this is not an easy thing to do!

So far this year I think that we have been very fortunate with the products that we have released be it chalked up to luck, pure coincidence or possibly sheer genius (lol, I wish!). Either way though this has given us I believe a solid foundation from which to build and expand both our product line as well as our market penetration and that is not something that I want to let slip through my fingers.

With my background in the hi tech industry in the 90's I've seen all too many market leading companies get comfortable, loose focus and ultimately fall by the wayside and that is not a lesson that I wish to repeat lol. This is one of the reasons that I'm on here so much, it's frankly to stay in touch with you guys, my customers. It's this interaction that points me in the right direction on which type of products to develop, what people like, what they don't like and what I need to focus on. Ultimately what a lot of business owners forget is that there is no company without customers and ultimately the most important thing for a business (in my opinion) is being in sync with your customers and understanding what exactly they want and/or need. So....again I can not thank all of you enough for the support and for choosing to use our product because without all of you there would be no Werks Racing. Now I just need to figure out how I can work more than 12-16 hours a day so that I can find some time to design t-shirts and stickers to make everyone happy ;-)

Regards,

Ron

This came from very dip!! lol , listen, you no need a brainer to take care of the shirts and stikers, just get a hot chick (with your girlfriend approoval)in a corner of the office with a phone and a computer, lol, to take care of that. :lol::lol: Seriously, Is been great that a company is taking care of customers in any way posible, products,performance, must important on this days PRICES. Thank for the dedication. Keep it coming. :nod:

BigNasty 08-27-2010 12:07 AM

Wow, Ron. I just got a look at the new WERKS website. Looks, great. Looking forward to buying more werks stuff!

bevofrancis 08-27-2010 08:05 AM

Here's is my problem. I'm needing a new engine( i think). I ruined my B6 becasue I forgot to put the air filter back on(I'm an idiot),and I had a B5 laying around that I had broke the rod on ( again my fault) so I took the rod and piston from the B6 and put it in the B5 case with the B5 sleeve. It's running great but won't idle very well at all. When the engine is cold it has a super high idle, and after it warms up the idle drops way down. So far that it won't idle for more then 5 seconds or so without shutting off.

I know I need to lean my LSN to bring up the idle, but if I do it's so high when I frist start it that it sounds like it's alomst wide open. I've had several people check the idle gap at the track and it looks good. The pinch test seems to be close, and it has all kinds of power all through the power band. When I do lean out the LSN after it has warmed up it raises the idle and will keep it running a few more seconds, but it will still cut off within 8 or 10 seconds and I get an occasional ghost flame out. Until now I hadn't had either of my werks motors flame out 1 time. I know they are not suppsoe to idle forever but I need it to long enough to put fuel in during pit stops. I have also changed the plug several times.
Is there anything else I could try before I order either a P/S or new motor?

That's the background and where I am right now. What I'm wanting to do now, is buy a B5 P/S and rebuild it and get a new 2057 pipe. I've been running an 086 with it and it does run really good with that pipe, but the runtimes ar horrible. The rod and bearings have about 4-5 gallons on them. Would I be better off buying a new motor and not getting the pipe, or will my rod make it through another 4-5 gallons?

bacchus 08-27-2010 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by bevofrancis (Post 7862579)
Here's is my problem. I'm needing a new engine( i think). I ruined my B6 becasue I forgot to put the air filter back on(I'm an idiot),and I had a B5 laying around that I had broke the rod on ( again my fault) so I took the rod and piston from the B6 and put it in the B5 case with the B5 sleeve. It's running great but won't idle very well at all. When the engine is cold it has a super high idle, and after it warms up the idle drops way down. So far that it won't idle for more then 5 seconds or so without shutting off.

I know I need to lean my LSN to bring up the idle, but if I do it's so high when I frist start it that it sounds like it's alomst wide open. I've had several people check the idle gap at the track and it looks good. The pinch test seems to be close, and it has all kinds of power all through the power band. When I do lean out the LSN after it has warmed up it raises the idle and will keep it running a few more seconds, but it will still cut off within 8 or 10 seconds and I get an occasional ghost flame out. Until now I hadn't had either of my werks motors flame out 1 time. I know they are not suppsoe to idle forever but I need it to long enough to put fuel in during pit stops. I have also changed the plug several times.
Is there anything else I could try before I order either a P/S or new motor?

That's the background and where I am right now. What I'm wanting to do now, is buy a B5 P/S and rebuild it and get a new 2057 pipe. I've been running an 086 with it and it does run really good with that pipe, but the runtimes ar horrible. The rod and bearings have about 4-5 gallons on them. Would I be better off buying a new motor and not getting the pipe, or will my rod make it through another 4-5 gallons?

I have no idea if the B6 and B5 internals are interchangeable however you said you used the piston from a motor that sucked in dirt. Then you used a different sleeve. The sleeve is not matched to that piston and the piston is likely shot due to the dirt. I wouldn't trust this motor far as i could throw it. My 2 cents

Werks 08-27-2010 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by bevofrancis (Post 7862579)
Here's is my problem. I'm needing a new engine( i think). I ruined my B6 becasue I forgot to put the air filter back on(I'm an idiot),and I had a B5 laying around that I had broke the rod on ( again my fault) so I took the rod and piston from the B6 and put it in the B5 case with the B5 sleeve. It's running great but won't idle very well at all. When the engine is cold it has a super high idle, and after it warms up the idle drops way down. So far that it won't idle for more then 5 seconds or so without shutting off.

I know I need to lean my LSN to bring up the idle, but if I do it's so high when I frist start it that it sounds like it's alomst wide open. I've had several people check the idle gap at the track and it looks good. The pinch test seems to be close, and it has all kinds of power all through the power band. When I do lean out the LSN after it has warmed up it raises the idle and will keep it running a few more seconds, but it will still cut off within 8 or 10 seconds and I get an occasional ghost flame out. Until now I hadn't had either of my werks motors flame out 1 time. I know they are not suppsoe to idle forever but I need it to long enough to put fuel in during pit stops. I have also changed the plug several times.
Is there anything else I could try before I order either a P/S or new motor?

That's the background and where I am right now. What I'm wanting to do now, is buy a B5 P/S and rebuild it and get a new 2057 pipe. I've been running an 086 with it and it does run really good with that pipe, but the runtimes ar horrible. The rod and bearings have about 4-5 gallons on them. Would I be better off buying a new motor and not getting the pipe, or will my rod make it through another 4-5 gallons?

Hey Bevo, if I'm reading your post correctly you forgot to put your air filter on your B6 which ruined your engine and then put took the piston and sleeve out of it and put it into a B5 case that you had and now it wont idle properly. The reason that it wont idle is probably because of running it without an air filter. Generally when you do this the first thing that happens is that the dirt destroys the piston/sleeve fit (basically the dirt acts like sand paper and wears it out), so if things got bad enough that something happened like the bearings got destroyed or something then more than likely the p/s fit is also shot (which you are seeing by the inability to make it idle).

So...at the least you are going to need a new p/s and regarding the rod again if the engine was totaled by dirt it's highly likely that this also caused a lot of wear on the rod bushing too. On a rod with no issues I would say that you can get a good 8-9 gallons without a problem but if the bushing is indeed a bit worn (which will induce slop) it's going to be a crap shoot on how long it will go. Honestly I'd replace the p/s/r all at the same time rather than risk having a new p/s taken out by an old rod or just buy a complete new engine and be done with it. Run the numbers on each method and see which way makes more sense for your personal budget. Hope this helps a bit...

Regards,

Ron

Mo Denton 08-27-2010 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by bevofrancis (Post 7862579)
Here's is my problem. I'm needing a new engine( i think). I ruined my B6 becasue I forgot to put the air filter back on(I'm an idiot),and I had a B5 laying around that I had broke the rod on ( again my fault) so I took the rod and piston from the B6 and put it in the B5 case with the B5 sleeve. It's running great but won't idle very well at all. When the engine is cold it has a super high idle, and after it warms up the idle drops way down. So far that it won't idle for more then 5 seconds or so without shutting off.

I know I need to lean my LSN to bring up the idle, but if I do it's so high when I frist start it that it sounds like it's alomst wide open. I've had several people check the idle gap at the track and it looks good. The pinch test seems to be close, and it has all kinds of power all through the power band. When I do lean out the LSN after it has warmed up it raises the idle and will keep it running a few more seconds, but it will still cut off within 8 or 10 seconds and I get an occasional ghost flame out. Until now I hadn't had either of my werks motors flame out 1 time. I know they are not suppsoe to idle forever but I need it to long enough to put fuel in during pit stops. I have also changed the plug several times.
Is there anything else I could try before I order either a P/S or new motor?

That's the background and where I am right now. What I'm wanting to do now, is buy a B5 P/S and rebuild it and get a new 2057 pipe. I've been running an 086 with it and it does run really good with that pipe, but the runtimes ar horrible. The rod and bearings have about 4-5 gallons on them. Would I be better off buying a new motor and not getting the pipe, or will my rod make it through another 4-5 gallons?


if you come up to the RcFactory I would be happy to take a look at it and see what we can come up with. I am sure between the 2 of us we might be able to get one running and then you can buy the parts for the other one.

bevofrancis 08-27-2010 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by 1fastguy1 (Post 7862780)
if you come up to the RcFactory I would be happy to take a look at it and see what we can come up with. I am sure between the 2 of us we might be able to get one running and then you can buy the parts for the other one.

I've been meaning to go there since it opened, but still haven't made it yet. Saturdays have been kind of bad for me, so I've went to Steve kings on the few sundays that I have had a chance to spend a whole day racing.

How often are you at the factory?

Mo Denton 08-27-2010 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by bevofrancis (Post 7862799)
I've been meaning to go there since it opened, but still haven't made it yet. Saturdays have been kind of bad for me, so I've went to Steve kings on the few sundays that I have had a chance to spend a whole day racing.

How often are you at the factory?

I have the Cancer Race in PA on the 11th
then the Cape Fear Invitational in NC the 18th
then the Indoor Shootout in AL the 2nd
then after that I will be there every weekend till the midwest race. But I can meet you there if you need me to inbetween the big races, I debated on going up there saturday for a humiliating experience of running electric!!!

AsSc8 08-27-2010 12:10 PM

Hey guys,
I finally picked up a 2013 pipe for my B5. In my opinion the stinger or outlet looks pretty long which increases the chance of snagging it on somthing. So what I was thinking of doing is trimming it by about a 1/4" or so. What i'm unsure of is if it Will cause any kind of performance or sound change.

ScottyM 08-27-2010 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by AsSc8 (Post 7863485)
Hey guys,
I finally picked up a 2013 pipe for my B5. In my opinion the stinger or outlet looks pretty long which increases the chance of snagging it on somthing. So what I was thinking of doing is trimming it by about a 1/4" or so. What i'm unsure of is if it Will cause any kind of performance or sound change.

It will change the tune, and performance of the pipe.. It is that long for a reason..

AsSc8 08-27-2010 03:28 PM

Thanks, I guess i'll just leave it then. It is braced a little so i'll just trust that it's stong enough.

Werks 08-27-2010 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by AsSc8 (Post 7864168)
Thanks, I guess i'll just leave it then. It is braced a little so i'll just trust that it's stong enough.

Lol. Occasionally we do sorta kinda know what we are doing ;)

vypr2002 08-27-2010 07:29 PM

So while doing my post racing cleaning, I decided to check the wear on my b5.
evenything looked great until I noticed a crack in the crankcase right where the motor mounts are. its cracked clean thru the case. has anyone had this issue?
What the heck can cause that? I have only run the motor in 3 races and since break in its only got a gallon on it. so its prolly still just under 2 gallons on the motor. I have pm'd ron to see what he thinks, but thought Id ask here to see if it was something anyone else had experienced


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