Well he is a team driver so I know he does not crash as much as I do. But I guess this was an isolated incident.

man i really love my full mod motor, but i'm getting real tired of running my starter box dead trying to get it going. It's a screamer, but so very cold natured almost to the point of making me look like a dumb--- trying to get it started on pit lane. I've had lot's of engines like v-specs jammin etc and never seen one cold natured like this. Anyone have this same problem or any suggestions to make it fire up??? thanks....

Competition heat head heater works like a charm :D

I had that same problem, then I started priming the engine prior to starting and it starts up everytime.

EB Mods JS engines at a clearence price.
I guess these guys are dumping all the JS
engines that they have left.
http://www.waldorfrc.com/servlet/the...-Engine/Detail

Wow $99.00 for a race prep!

I have a FULL MOD I will sell for 150.00 shipped has just at 2 gallons on it...I was a team driver...engine was sent into Ed for a check over and he said all was good and sent it back to me I have not ran it since. Engine will pass the flop test with flying colors TONS of compression...

Ryan

:lol::lol: the only problems they have is paying their bill. :rolleyes:

So is there a good reason these engines are so hard to get started? I only ran about two quarts though my race prep before I knew it was time to go back to my JX.21 . Now I have a nice $260 paper weight. Is there a reason for this other than just being junk?

whats so hard about starting? hot ignitor, good plug, fresh fuel, magic. :rolleyes:

i dont understand why people are having so many problems getting these motor started either. i got just the bone stock motor that i had to break in myself. the very first time i put fuel to it i heated it up to about 180 and it fired RIGHT UP. and it does every single time. i have right at a gallon on it and it SCREAMS! fires right up instantly everytime. not a single problem

+1 i ran a brand new one today and it fired up and ran like a beast all day.

i ran mine all day yesterday and it was flawless. it is alittle cold natured so all i do is make sure i started ahead of time so when i hit the track its golden.

+1 i have 2 race prep and never hade any issues.:nod:

by the way im not racing buggy anymore so im selling 1 of my JS with less then 1/4 gal on it so if anybody wants it lmk

I was actually looking for someone's opinion besides those who get them for free and never tell about the bad things that happen. :rolleyes: I bet if you had to pay reatil for them you wouldn't be such a supporter.

Funny thing is I can hit my Ninja or my V-Spec one time on the starter box while in the trailer and it will idle all the way to pit lane no problem. The EB mods engine takes about 5 minutes of revving the hell out of it for it to even idle for ten seconds then it cuts off three or four times before it will actually run. Also, my JX.21 stayed put up for about six months and all I had to do was put it in the car and turn the HSN 1/4 turn and it runs like a champ. I wish I could just chalk it up as "you get what you pay for" but unfortunately I paid more for this that I do my JX.21 engines.

Flame away........:lol:

Meh, a few people run these engines where i practice. I see nothing wrong with these engines and never seen them to fail starting. Last race there, the EB mods engine was EASILY the fastest engine there. I think it was the .23, but stil, no other engine came close in power.

ive seen 3 at my track 2 full mods and 1 stock i liked all 3 they seemed to run great the 2 full mods were owned by people who dont know much or drive to great so on cased a jump cracked block, the other guy though o since he had his pre broke in he can run it like it has 2 gallons on it so he leaned it out way way to much and blew it up only had a gallon on both not including eb mods break in lol but the stock one owned by my buddy runs seuper smooth and fast but its still in break in so its fat but it seems like a great engine!

hlpressley, if you are having a hard time getting your JS to run like your O.S. engines it's something your doing not the engine. I ran a vspec before the JS and it starts and runs just like the vspec.

How much fuel is through your JS? If it is still around the gallon mark you need to give it a little more time to warm up before you hit the track.

from the words of Ed...when I recived my full mod and race prep they were ready to RACE TUNE...if he had a gallon on it it was DEFINITLY past being "broken in"......for all of the supporters as I said I have a full mod just at 2 gallons for sale..first 125.00 gets its shipped to ur door...

No flame here,That's Malaysian quality for ya!

Two nice motors in your sig!!

Get the motor running where you think it is running right. Then take the low side needle and lean it out 1/4 to 1/3 a turn. This motor likes a much leaner bottom end then and OS. I have owned a few v-specs and a speed before this motor and love this one alot more. Was yours a race prep or box stock? Did you over temp it? Are you running an odonnel plug, JP series pipe, or some crappy fuel? (these 3 things make the motor run crappy) If you are having a hard time with a p4 plug try a p5, stay away from jp series pipes, and keep the low side needle a little leaner then you are used to. Only thing else I can think of is you may have over temp'd or rev'd the motor and made the rod a little sloppy. You just can't come in here short fused with a :cry::cry::cry: fit like a 5 year old who didn't get his way and yell this motor is crap without trying to figure out what your doing wrong first.

yes WERKS for the win now....no issues here. trust me I wish I could have made these engines work but after all the money and buying diff. pipes and still nothing...enuff is enuff for me. for those that have a good one props to ya glad you like it I am just voicing my issues and now that these engines have been out for a while ALOT more people are voicing their opinions on them.

MY JS is nothing like any OS I have ever owned and I doubt any of them are. I have about 1.5 gallons on the engine and it will stay that way as it will never be bolted in any of my cars again.


First off this is a public forum and I CAN say what I want. If you think I am crying like a 5 year old then so be it. My engine is junk. Yours may be great and I am happy for you as I don't doubt there are a few good ones out there but mine was and still is junk.

As for fuel...you are right it may be the problem. It is most likely equal to the quality of the engine. I think it says EB Mods on the side of the bottle. :sneaky: I am also running a P4 plug and a Ofna 086 pipe which were all suggested by Ed Bridges himself.

no problem! I'm sure your OS's are great, but please understand these are not os engines and tune nothing like a os. so for you to sit here comparing apples to oranges makes no sense. you chalk it up as whatever you want,,, I'll chalk you up as user error. carry on...

yea im sure the werks engines are good for you now till your flywheel needs to be replaced and you continue to run it for another 4 gallons, then the engines will be to blame.

Joe- you are a nice guy. Ed is VERY knoledgeable...but the fact can not be ignored and blame user error on EVERY engine that is not perfect. I did as everyone told me to do p4 plug even p5 plug, 086 pipe set idle gap, half in flush high and low...yadda yadda yadda...but never had any luck even every other engine i have owned once set to factory it would run good maybe no power house but would run good....

really Joe?!?!?! going to blame the flywheel still? cuz I put that exact flywheel on my speed and had ZERO issues!! 4 gallons?!? HAHAHA ur funny I ran 4 gallons in mth and half???...lets be real here

Ryan,
I cant beleive you are even arguing with me.. :weird: Do I really need to post pictures of your clutch again!?! I personally have NEVER seen a clucth be run in that bad of condition before.. and for everyone i know running the engine saying it has great bottom end, and you crying it doesn't, i knew b4 even seeing your clutch that it had to be user error. I personally ran your engine and it ran fine and won a club race with it, so yea sorry your issues were user error.

How about I send you mine Joe? You get it run like any "normal" .21 nitro engine and I will retract my statements.

If these engines are so different why don't they advertise them as such? Why are they so different? Why should I or anyone else for that matter pay $260+ dollars for an engine that has to be handled with kid gloves? Not arguing as I know that you have way more knowledge than I do on the subject however you have NOT seen my engine run so for you to just assume that I don't know what I am doing and that it is user error seems a little arrogant to me.

I had some issues with mine not running right as well. I was used to tuning VSpecs and this motor does not like that. My bottom end was over a full turn too rich. It is now puring like a kitten and scary fast.

I'm being ARROGANT! I asked you if you needed help and you pretty much told me to F off!?!
buddy if you need help im happy to help, but if your just going to tell me who i am and tell me our equipment is junk, then my hands are tied.

I have posted numerous times in this thread and ask questions about this engine only to be ignored. I don't recall you ever offering to help me......other than telling me that my issues were user error....

well, im sorry for that i'm not on here everyday as tho it may seem. I try to help everyone i can but sometimes posts do get overlooked. you could have PM'ed me or called EBMods. anyway I'm happy to help if you would like?

The above post is from 6/13. Any ideas? I am willing to give the engine another try but you have to understand my frustrations here being that I have never experienced any issues such as this before.

I will give credit where credit is due in saying that once this engine is up to temp and running it is stupid fast if you keep it cleared out and don't allow it to load up on the bootom.

I just went to your profile and found this post cause i almost didn't beleive i missed a support question. Again sorry!

The engines are cold blooded and typically like to run between 200* and 230*
Also yes the engine do take longer then a OS engine to warm up. I start my engine with 3 mins to go in the race b4 mine. It's not like a os where you can fire it up, clear it out, and throw it on the track. YOU HAVE TO TUNE THIS ENGINE WHEN IT'S UP TO OPERATING TEMP. (200* +) that means no box tuning during warm up.. biggest thing is having the idle set correctly at 1-1/4 turns from closed, and tuning the hsn first, then once you get the top ripping good, then you start leaning the LSN 1 click on the laser etching at a time till it makes good power and runs consistent. if you continue to struggle and would like to send the engine in for inspection we offer customer service.

Thanks. Will give it a shot.

Ryan, yes, it was definitely your flywheel / clutch set-up. I don't believe you put that clutch set-up on any other engine, for the simple fact you told me the clutch was new over the phone before you sent me the engine. This is why I ask you to leave the clutch on it, because bottom-end power has never been an issue.

As with any new engine line production issues can happen, and engines that were sent back to me that were found defected were replaced. This is why I don't understand all this? If you have an issue send the engine in, maybe I'll find a problem.

So I guess the papers have been served........

Long story short I had to sue Waldorf RC C/O Steve Wood, who ordered engines and never paid. Steve has never contacted me except to say he was going to pay, nor has any customers they say had any engine issues. This is there way of trying to reduce JS engine orders to help another company promote another engine line. Below is just a little bit of some IM's between me and either Steve Wood or Tony West, not sure who as they play games, but I was trying to make it very simple for them. Please note when he says they don't have any JS's in-stock, and please note the screen name.


EBMods: easiest solution is to send the 3 engines back, done deal
TQFuel: I dont have any JS motors
EBMods: you told Joe you had 3 new ones in-stock, and I have Waldorfs Web site showing them in-stock
TQFuel: Well I need to take that down
TQFuel: check the web site in 10 minutes
EBMods: doesn't matter,, I have screen shot of it,, if you sold them then PAY your bill
EBMods: Screen Shot with Date
TQFuel: check now


This was 3 weeks ago, so if he didn't have any engines then, but now it's a closeout item,, come on. True deadbeat dealer...........

To anyone who buys one of these closeout engines, if you can forward me proof of purchase I'll send you a FREE 6qt CASE of 30% Race Fuel. This will help build my case against Waldorf RC and help prevent this from happening to any other company they may try to take advantage of.