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Old 08-28-2008 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by vti-chris
I never had a single problem with my other engines.
I want to believe that i can tune an engine without any problems...but this one is a nightmare.
I finished 35min races with it having bogging problems and finishing at 240-250F.If i richen the LSN any more it looses power down low due to rich settings.
The high speed needle is pretty easy to tune so i don't thing i have it wrong there.
Although i haven't checked my rod and bearings to be honest.
Hey vti-chris, I know you have read all the posts here, but I will ask anyway - Are you setting HSN at 1/2 to 3/4 turn in from flush max, and setting LSN to 2 1/2 in from flush and then tuning with LSN for performance as suggested by MM. I am guessing you have the long needle LSN, and this is the way to make this set up work. Just find the spot with the HSN in that range that sounds nice and crisp, then leave it alone. The LSN is very sensitive so just 1/16 to 1/8 adjustments. Having the HSN set like this will get rid of your lean bog as tank pressure drops, and setting LSN as suggested gives you wicked bottom end. We all tune our long needle LSN motors like this here and they run great. It is a little different from conventional HSN tuning but it works for that carb and needle set up.
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Old 08-28-2008 | 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesussaves
I too have the 3 P R, not really that impressed, it's the Gen 4 version, coming from a budget OS VG 21 the GO can be at times very frustrating.

In my opinion the 3 P R is the perfect rtr engine, it starts easily, ideals well, gets 7-8mins using standard 8mm restrictor but lacks punch which is what I need. I know a few guys who have run 3PR ,5PT and 7PT they seem to like the 5PT best as it offers great punch and more than enough top end. I should have saved a wee bit longer and purchased a 5PT.These Go engines are extremely tough.
I think that's a bit hard comment. I'd consider the R-Spec to be fully breed race engine not some RTR stuff. Also the first gen r-spec is a bit weaker than the newest gen that I currently run but that's what we call R&D

The engine selection depends greatly on track conditions and car you are running. Our team drives with 5pt on buggys (except me) as it's best match to our tracks and they are also looking for that initial kick. I'm satisfied with the r-spec and with M2C clutch it's great thing to drive. I also run the 5pt on my truggy and happy with it so there's plenty of pwr packed in that engine. If you compare r-spec and 5pt you can clearly say the 5pt wipes the floor with the r-spec when speaking or low-end punch.

For cheap alternative get the 5pt sleeve and make a frankenstain R-spec
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Old 08-28-2008 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Poinas2
I think that's a bit hard comment. I'd consider the R-Spec to be fully breed race engine not some RTR stuff. Also the first gen r-spec is a bit weaker than the newest gen that I currently run but that's what we call R&D

The engine selection depends greatly on track conditions and car you are running. Our team drives with 5pt on buggys (except me) as it's best match to our tracks and they are also looking for that initial kick. I'm satisfied with the r-spec and with M2C clutch it's great thing to drive. I also run the 5pt on my truggy and happy with it so there's plenty of pwr packed in that engine. If you compare r-spec and 5pt you can clearly say the 5pt wipes the floor with the r-spec when speaking or low-end punch.

For cheap alternative get the 5pt sleeve and make a frankenstain R-spec
The 5PT Sleeve+Pistion are an alternative. The reason I had purchased the GO 3 P R was because I was told that this engine puts down more power than an OS V Spec. The V Spec is a better engine in almost all areas, more bottom end, mid range and lets no forget what an awesome carb OS has/is renowned for. Did I mention how awesome OS carbs are….
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Old 08-28-2008 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesussaves
The 5PT Sleeve+Pistion are an alternative. The reason I had purchased the GO 3 P R was because I was told that this engine puts down more power than an OS V Spec. The V Spec is a better engine in almost all areas, more bottom end, mid range and lets no forget what an awesome carb OS has/is renowned for. Did I mention how awesome OS carbs are….
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Old 08-28-2008 | 04:45 AM
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i'm a new racer and was wondering what peoples opinion was on which is the better engine. it would be my first new engine.

the track i race on is fairy fast, and the technical stuff isn't tight. but short bursts of power and quick accelleration, not to mention top end speed on the long straights is what i'm after.

is there a noticable difference between the 5port engine and teh 7 port engine

whats teh advantage in their range of the Modified engine over the standard one. is it just more power.
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Old 08-28-2008 | 04:50 AM
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Well to some of the posts about carbs and stuff the last page.... Stock carbs and needles here no problems, I even have one old LSN needle. My problem was the wrong pipe. Oh and about trying a OS VG..... that is a joke. I have one and 2 pistons and sleeves only lasted a gallon each LOL!! The look perfect too, just no compression.
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Old 08-28-2008 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesussaves
The 5PT Sleeve+Pistion are an alternative. The reason I had purchased the GO 3 P R was because I was told that this engine puts down more power than an OS V Spec. The V Spec is a better engine in almost all areas, more bottom end, mid range and lets no forget what an awesome carb OS has/is renowned for. Did I mention how awesome OS carbs are….
This is ofcourse as said pretty much a personal preference. In my opinion only point that the R-spec lacks vs. V Spec is lowend. It's not weak in any sense but V Spec is better and I have no problems admitting it. On the other hand it's more linear than V Spec so some (like me) might find that type of an engine more driveable. From mid-top I feel the Go is not left behind.

But as said change the 5p internals and you'r good to go. Also it does not make the engine any worse if it needs to be tuned differently than others. In case all other engines would tune like V Spec and then V Spec came with tuning characteristics like GO would you then say the V Spec sucs ?
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Old 08-28-2008 | 06:14 AM
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Poinas2 the thing is that those who had tuning problems with the "V-specs" was because of their ""noobness""...after a few runs it's pretty easy to tune a V-spec.
The thing with the GO is that it has the power and if it did/will have the ease of tuning then no engine could be muched at that price range and more.
I personally tried everything with mine and i still can't get the power i want and the "reliability".
Of course i might as well be very cranky and ask too much from it...i don't know.
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Old 08-28-2008 | 11:50 AM
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i like watching that video and when the truggies go to the back corner and go down the hill and disappear and like 5 seconds later they reapear like 7 or 8 feet in the air. congrats though.
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Old 08-28-2008 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by vnmsgt
Well to some of the posts about carbs and stuff the last page.... Stock carbs and needles here no problems, I even have one old LSN needle. My problem was the wrong pipe. Oh and about trying a OS VG..... that is a joke. I have one and 2 pistons and sleeves only lasted a gallon each LOL!! The look perfect too, just no compression.
Not once did I mention how great an OS VG is/was. I did say that it was breeze to tune and did everything I expected for a $125 engine, for that price it is a bargain of an engine, however I did express my disappointment because of the expectations I had of this engine (GO 3 P R). I did mention in my previous post that these GO engines are tough and can withstand punishment.

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This is ofcourse as said pretty much a personal preference. In my opinion only point that the R-spec lacks vs. V Spec is lowend. It's not weak in any sense but V Spec is better and I have no problems admitting it. On the other hand it's more linear than V Spec so some (like me) might find that type of an engine more driveable. From mid-top I feel the Go is not left behind.

But as said change the 5p internals and you'r good to go. Also it does not make the engine any worse if it needs to be tuned differently than others. In case all other engines would tune like V Spec and then V Spec came with tuning characteristics like GO would you then say the V Spec sucs ?
I understand what you are saying, but the earlier GO's tuned like a conventional engine, from what I understand they changed the needle to a longer LSN recently and are now in the process of changing to smaller LSN again to resemble tuning characteristics of a conventional engine with slight variances as in all engines. Most engines on the market that I am aware of tune like a conventional engine. I honestly think I expected too much from the 3 P R.
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Old 08-28-2008 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesussaves
The 5PT Sleeve+Pistion are an alternative. The reason I had purchased the GO 3 P R was because I was told that this engine puts down more power than an OS V Spec. The V Spec is a better engine in almost all areas, more bottom end, mid range and lets no forget what an awesome carb OS has/is renowned for. Did I mention how awesome OS carbs are….
what kind of pipe are you running on the 3 p?
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Old 08-28-2008 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by grizz1
What pipe are you running ?
Do you have the long needle LSN with these settings ? If you have the older short needle these settings will be way to rich on the HSN.

For the long LSN your settings sound about right. Maybe a little lean on the HSN, but that depends on pipe, how run in engine is etc, etc.
I run a 7.5 mm blue Go restrictor on my stock 7 Port Turbo and it goes great. I haven't done any side by side direct comparison with other motors (only going down the straight at my local track when racing, and the 7 Port comfortably holds it's own against other more expensive motors).
Running 0801 pipe, HSN 1/2 to 3/4 in from flush depending on conditions, LSN 2 1/2 to 2 3/4 once again dependant on conditions of the day.
I was playing with the settings today. The engine performed well (not optimal) when HSN was 3/4 turn from flush and LSN 2 turns from flush.
I realized that when it was only for about 1 minut left of fuel in tank, engine gone insane in positive way (screming when accelerating and top speed was excelent).
Then I tried to lean down HSN and LSN when the fuel tank was full and no positive effect .

What to do?

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Car: Jammmin X1-CR FTE
Engine: Go 7 port Turbo (7.5 mm insert, long LSN needle)
Plug: O.S. P3
Pipe: Hong Nor 053
Fuel: Tornado (20% nitro, 14% oil)

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Old 08-28-2008 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TC3ElectricGuy
i'm a new racer and was wondering what peoples opinion was on which is the better engine. it would be my first new engine.

the track i race on is fairy fast, and the technical stuff isn't tight. but short bursts of power and quick accelleration, not to mention top end speed on the long straights is what i'm after.

is there a noticable difference between the 5port engine and teh 7 port engine

whats teh advantage in their range of the Modified engine over the standard one. is it just more power.
hey tc3electricguy i would go with the go .21 7 port with the go 0801 pipe runs great on top side and has some nice punch at the bottom and its personal preference on mods usually better fuel milage and smoother rpms. if you you want to keep the revs down on top go with the 5 port but it still screams nice with the go 2047 and go 0801 pipe also this is going in buggy right ????
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Old 08-28-2008 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bmoneyxxxt
what kind of pipe are you running on the 3 p?

Eureka Pro 2027, made by HN same as PCR 2027, very, very similar to HN 2047. HN 2047 has a wee bit more top end that’s it….
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Old 08-28-2008 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesussaves
Eureka Pro 2027, made by HN same as PCR 2027, very, very similar to HN 2047. HN 2047 has a wee bit more top end that’s it….
i you havent tried the go 0801 i would suggest it, that with a p3 glow installed really opens it up. I was shocked at the difference it made.
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